Trinity

[bahman]

quite welcome.

there is good and bad in both the OT and NT (i hate Paul (Sual) BTW - i personally view him a an opportunist/phoney using sophistry-good language (no doubt he was a smart and learned man).

worthless books include Sauls works in the NT and at least Levitus (Haggi offer little too) in the OT.

others are worthy of reading.

overall i do prefer the OT (Minor Prophet's works - i do not value much of the Torah - i view it as mostly "political propaganda" to justify why/how the jews took land from the Amalakite/ammontes/etc.............but parts of the Torah i do like - mostly Genesis story myself)

of the OT, i do value Amos the most, then close seconds for me are Jonah (champions Univseral Humanisn over tribalism - and written to counter Ezra's filth (Ezra's work is crap BTW - IMO - forced divorces bet jews and non - after just showing up after being gone for 70 yrs prior), and Job.

I do like Zachariah too (written at the same time as Haggi) - and around the same time as Ezra's screed.

of the NT, honestly, i do not dissike any of the works outside of Saul's (because i doubt that authors character - even if hes says some thing i may agree with - my suspision of his character makes me doubt what he says).

I'm neutral on most of the NT - there is nothing in the NT is evil is the stuff in Leviticus/Ezra.

but of the NT, i can only relate and value the Gospel of Mark - just becuase the main character - jesus - seems like a good man put into a situation beyond his control (and so seems like a person i would like and relate to as one like me).

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there other "books" outside the Canon, which IMO are worthy and should have been included in the "bible"

Jubaless i like the most (its theology of the "fall" corrupting all of the animal kingdom WRT to man - where when man was one of the animals he could talk to the animals and vise versa, but after the "Fall" carnivores were created - lions stopped eating straw and instead of sleeping with lambs - ate then (and man no longer could "talk" to animals/or vise versa).

BTW Jesus' references to the "kingdom of God" (the end days/final day/day of YHWH/etc)..the lion and lamb with sleep together (so no more carnivores) - i think Jesus' affirmed and know of the book of Jubaless - written 200 yrs before his time (no in the canon today - not in the Jew's nor Christian - but valued in his time as authorative).

Enoch - both the "book of" and "the secrets" of were others which are worthy, but "lost" via history and excluded in the canon.

as well as The Shepard of Hermis, a work worthy of inclusion in the Bible, but not included.

the didiche is another one BTW - worthy but excluded.

thanks for reply Sir!

Thanks for letting me know your opinion about books.

[bahman]

Christendom or man made interpretations of Christianity initiating as a conscious source exist on several levels each supporting different levels of human understanding. Christianity at the exoteric level is different than the esoteric level and finally the transcendent level. Being interested in the compatibility of science and religion, it does seem that this acquired division only proves Man's collective stupidity so have made efforts to find those of understanding far more brilliant than me who understnd why the esential truths of science nd religion are complimenatry.

A great many of the church fathers accepted the idea of the ineffble ONE as described by Plotinus. It is composed of a trinity of potentials beyond what our senses can experience. We can know of all as one, the division of one into its ultimate parts, and finally what connects them.

Then the ONE involves firsts into Nous or the inteligence necessary to contemplate the one. ONE as the ineffable source exists simultaneously as ONE beyond time and space and three bounded by time and space within the ONE but at a lower level of reality voluntarily dividing into three. This creates the foundation within the ONE which begins the involution into its levels of creation

The reality is that we are interacting minds. The rest is just ideas experienced by mind some are true and some are false.

[Eodnhoj7]

How Trinity is possible if Son is united to Father but Father is the highest and knows certain things, like the end of time, that Son doesn't know?

Take for example the three forms of water (ice, liquid, steam) existing as three co-depedent yet individual states of the same thing.

[bahman]

How Trinity is possible if Son is united to Father but Father is the highest and knows certain things, like the end of time, that Son doesn't know?

Take for example the three forms of water (ice, liquid, steam) existing as three co-depedent yet individual states of the same thing.

That is not three unified states. That is one state between three different states.

[Eodnhoj7]

How Trinity is possible if Son is united to Father but Father is the highest and knows certain things, like the end of time, that Son doesn't know?

Take for example the three forms of water (ice, liquid, steam) existing as three co-depedent yet individual states of the same thing.

That is not three unified states. That is one state between three different states.

They are all unified under H20, yet exist in 3 states simultaneously. Water is both one and many things.

[bahman]

Take for example the three forms of water (ice, liquid, steam) existing as three co-depedent yet individual states of the same thing.

That is not three unified states. That is one state between three different states.

They are all unified under H20, yet exist in 3 states simultaneously. Water is both one and many things.

That is one state in which three different order parameters are large enough.

[Eodnhoj7]

That is not three unified states. That is one state between three different states.

They are all unified under H20, yet exist in 3 states simultaneously. Water is both one and many things.

That is one state.

If H20 is in three different states solid, liquids and gas, then one thing exists through three modes. H20 exists in multiple states.

Same for the human being, as mind, body and emotion.

[bahman]

They are all unified under H20, yet exist in 3 states simultaneously. Water is both one and many things.

That is one state.

If H20 is in three different states solid, liquids and gas, then one thing exists through three modes. H20 exists in multiple states.

Same for the human being, as mind, body and emotion.

That is one state in which three different order parameters are large enough.

[Eodnhoj7]

That is one state.

If H20 is in three different states solid, liquids and gas, then one thing exists through three modes. H20 exists in multiple states.

Same for the human being, as mind, body and emotion.

That is one state in which three different order parameters are large enough.

And each of those order parameters are H2O.

H2O exists in three different states. Matter also exists in multiple states, solid/liquid/gas/plasma. One thing can exist in multiple states.

Getting back to H2O. H2O can take the state of ice, liquid or steam. Each of these states are H2O.

[Dontaskme]

How Trinity is possible if Son is united to Father but Father is the highest and knows certain things, like the end of time, that Son doesn't know?

When Awareness (Father) KNOWS sensation (Mother) Consciousness...the Son is born (Mind) = ALL ONE

''Knowing'' is instantaneously known in the moment knowing' arises ONE with the knowing.

The words Awareness/Consciousness/Mind are all aspects of the same ONE idea.

Needless to say we have our differences. They seem primarily concerned with the Holy Spirit: a word not mentioned by brahman or Dam

Differences are defined by their conceptual context as they are imagined and identified as THOUGHT.

All concepts are the contents of their source INSEPARABLE thereof. Any difference is purely an illusory substance of what is essentially formlessness which is never an experience, only the illusion of substance is an experience. Illusory because what appears as substance is actually empty.

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[Dontaskme]

How Trinity is possible if Son is united to Father but Father is the highest and knows certain things, like the end of time, that Son doesn't know?

When Awareness (Father) KNOWS sensation (Mother) Consciousness...the Son is born (Mind) = ALL ONE

''Knowing'' is instantaneously known in the moment knowing' arises ONE with the knowing.

The words Awareness/Consciousness/Mind are all aspects of the same ONE idea.

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Awareness is a condition, therefore, it cannot know the sensation.

What knows the sensation then?

[bahman]

If H20 is in three different states solid, liquids and gas, then one thing exists through three modes. H20 exists in multiple states.

Same for the human being, as mind, body and emotion.

That is one state in which three different order parameters are large enough.

And each of those order parameters are H2O.

H2O exists in three different states. Matter also exists in multiple states, solid/liquid/gas/plasma. One thing can exist in multiple states.

Getting back to H2O. H2O can take the state of ice, liquid or steam. Each of these states are H2O.

You have an assembly of H2O. There are measurable order parameters for such a system in any given state. Sometimes in one state one order parameter is large and other parameters are small, such liquid. Sometimes, two order parameters are large like an equilibrium between water and gas. Etc.

[bahman]

When Awareness (Father) KNOWS sensation (Mother) Consciousness...the Son is born (Mind) = ALL ONE

''Knowing'' is instantaneously known in the moment knowing' arises ONE with the knowing.

The words Awareness/Consciousness/Mind are all aspects of the same ONE idea.

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Awareness is a condition, therefore, it cannot know the sensation.

What knows the sensation then?

Mind.

[Sculptor]

How Trinity is possible if Son is united to Father but Father is the highest and knows certain things, like the end of time, that Son doesn't know?

I should not worry about it.
The idea of the Trinity predates Christianity, and was adopted to appease traditional Pagan religions.
Isaac Newton studied this extensively and declared that such a doctrine was not present in the Bible.
You should not expect mythical notions to make sense. If Adam and Eve were the first humans ,who did Cain marry; and are we all incestuous?
Same question about Noah - if god killed everyone except his small family then how come our DNA is so diverse?
Shall I go on?

[Eodnhoj7]

That is one state in which three different order parameters are large enough.

And each of those order parameters are H2O.

H2O exists in three different states. Matter also exists in multiple states, solid/liquid/gas/plasma. One thing can exist in multiple states.

Getting back to H2O. H2O can take the state of ice, liquid or steam. Each of these states are H2O.

You have an assembly of H2O. There are measurable order parameters for such a system in any given state. Sometimes in one state one order parameter is large and other parameters are small, such liquid. Sometimes, two order parameters are large like an equilibrium between water and gas. Etc.

And those parameters are the states through which H2O exists.