Why do men like to kill men?

[Greatest I am]

I cannot make shoes ...

Wear sandals, grow a beard and be a guru.

If I could somehow live free, I would not likely have what it takes to shave and would have to trade with those who have it. Oops, there goes my freedom from the tribe.

That Socrates was centuries ahead of his time, and there are still so many of us that have yet to catch up to him and other ancient thinkers.

Strange that so many of us are still so stupid. Perhaps that trait is in the blood.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

So, do we have consensus on the following?

Only some men like to kill men (e.g., professional soldiers and psychopaths).

War is Hell.

Everyone is dependent on others for survival.

The killing is done within a societal or tribal context.

We forgot:

"Women like to kill, too," and

"Civilization is conducive to freedom."

If anybody doesn't agree on those two, he sure should.

Man is the hunter and warrior while women are the gatherers. Some few women might have enough male in them to like to kill but if you look at jail stats, your all inclusive "women" is way off the mark.

As to freedom, a term you are misusing, it is not logical to say we all wish it when we are tribal by nature and crave the tribe more than isolation away from it.

You, if intelligent at all, will agree with me.

Regards
DL

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DL

[Greatest I am]

RC and GIA, do you have any objections to the above?

Yes. As posted above.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

I debate to lose more than win. Can you dither out why?

Because you only bet on a sure thing.

Many do not see what I put as a sure thing.

Consider what you gain when you win a debate. Nothing but an ego boost. Right?

Consider when you lose a debate. You learn something new.

Which is better for your overall ego, to give it a boost or to have it grow?

Regards
DL

[RCSaunders]

Yes. We kill and compete within our tribes and in groups, sure, but we also kill those in the out group.

Who's WE? Whoever your, "we," is, I'm glad I'm not one of them.

[RCSaunders]

I cannot make shoes ...

Wear sandals, grow a beard and be a guru.

If I could somehow live free, I would not likely have what it takes to shave and would have to trade with those who have it. Oops, there goes my freedom from the tribe.

That Socrates was centuries ahead of his time, and there are still so many of us that have yet to catch up to him and other ancient thinkers.

Strange that so many of us are still so stupid. Perhaps that trait is in the blood.

Regards
DL

A sure sign of a frozen mind is a total lack of a sense of humor.

[Greatest I am]

Yes. We kill and compete within our tribes and in groups, sure, but we also kill those in the out group.

Who's WE? Whoever your, "we," is, I'm glad I'm not one of them.

From what you put above, you will disagree be you in agreement or not.

I must have pinned your ears back somewhere for you to hold such a grudge.

Grow up child.

I have forgotten whatever it is that you remember, and you show immaturity by saying you will disagree with me on principle regardless of my position.

Getting personal is a hindrance to good discussions.

You sound like a Trump supporter who will vote for him regardless of what a p**** Trump shows himself to be. Those fool men will vote Trump even if he grabs their wife's or daughter's pussy.

Get off your slippery, personal slope. It leads to stupid thinking.

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

Man is the hunter and warrior while women are the gatherers.

Are you thinking that's an observation relevant to today?

Some few women might have enough male in them to like to kill

Between 2010 and 2014, women worldwide killed at least 56 million babies. I'd say that's enough to warrant the claim that women "like to" kill as much as men do.

As to freedom, a term you are misusing,

You'd better define what you mean by it, then.

For clearly, you can't mean something like "deliverance from constraint or inhibition," because civilization produces far more of that than does any mythical "state of nature." And you can't mean "opportunity," because civilization increases that too. And you can't mean "choice," or "option for leisure," because civilization increases those...

So what, precisely, do you mean when you say "freedom"?

I'll happily stop "misusing" it as soon as you explain exactly what it is. Whatever your personal understanding of it is, it's certainly not obvious to the rest of us. So clear that up, would you?

[henry quirk]

What? Where?

It is likely that you just can't keep up, but I am willing to see what you only allude to, like a petulant child who debates for the wrong reasons.

I see though that you could not dither out my reason for debating to lose.

That would take a bit of thought.

Rgerads
DL

Do this: define freedom.

Be simple and direct and unambiguous.

Nothing to show where I move the goalposts. Ok.

Thanks for retracting your lie. Oh wait -----

Do you not have a dictionary?

free·dom
noun: freedom
the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Man is the hunter and warrior while women are the gatherers.

Are you thinking that's an observation relevant to today?

Some few women might have enough male in them to like to kill

Between 2010 and 2014, women worldwide killed at least 56 million babies. I'd say that's enough to warrant the claim that women "like to" kill as much as men do.

As to freedom, a term you are misusing,

You'd better define what you mean by it, then.

For clearly, you can't mean something like "deliverance from constraint or inhibition," because civilization produces far more of that than does any mythical "state of nature." And you can't mean "opportunity," because civilization increases that too. And you can't mean "choice," or "option for leisure," because civilization increases those...

So what, precisely, do you mean when you say "freedom"?

I'll happily stop "misusing" it as soon as you explain exactly what it is. Whatever your personal understanding of it is, it's certainly not obvious to the rest of us. So clear that up, would you?

I used the dictionary definition. If you want to invent a new definition, go ahead.

To your first.
Our instincts are as relevant today as they have ever been. Ignore them if you want.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Do this: define freedom.

Be simple and direct and unambiguous.

Nothing to show where I move the goalposts. Ok.

Thanks for retracting your lie. Oh wait -----

Do you not have a dictionary?

free·dom
noun: freedom
the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.

Regards
DL

Was that a question?

Rephrase it please.

Regards
DL

[RCSaunders]

Yes. We kill and compete within our tribes and in groups, sure, but we also kill those in the out group.

Who's WE? Whoever your, "we," is, I'm glad I'm not one of them.

From what you put above, you will disagree be you in agreement or not.

I must have pinned your ears back somewhere for you to hold such a grudge.

Grow up child.

I have forgotten whatever it is that you remember, and you show immaturity by saying you will disagree with me on principle regardless of my position.

Getting personal is a hindrance to good discussions.

You sound like a Trump supporter who will vote for him regardless of what a p**** Trump shows himself to be. Those fool men will vote Trump even if he grabs their wife's or daughter's pussy.

Get off your slippery, personal slope. It leads to stupid thinking.

Regards
DL

GIA, I'm not your enemy. I just disagree with you. Try being polite and civil, it will be much more affective.

[Immanuel Can]

I used the dictionary definition.

Which one?

Oxford has six different definitions of the word "freedom."

Websters has ten.

You aren't using all six, or all ten. So specify.

If you want to invent a new definition, go ahead.

No, that will not work.

In logic, it will inevitably create errors of amphiboly, and linguistically, it will create misunderstandings of each other in general.

We need an agreed-upon definition. I'll accept yours, and speak on the terms you specify, if you specify.

[Greatest I am]

I used the dictionary definition.

Which one?

Oxford has six different definitions of the word "freedom."

Websters has ten.

You aren't using all six, or all ten. So specify.

If you want to invent a new definition, go ahead.

No, that will not work.

In logic, it will inevitably create errors of amphiboly, and linguistically, it will create misunderstandings of each other in general.

We need an agreed-upon definition. I'll accept yours, and speak on the terms you specify, if you specify.

Look above then as what I quoted was the first definition.

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

I used the dictionary definition.

Which one?

Oxford has six different definitions of the word "freedom."

Websters has ten.

You aren't using all six, or all ten. So specify.

If you want to invent a new definition, go ahead.

No, that will not work.

In logic, it will inevitably create errors of amphiboly, and linguistically, it will create misunderstandings of each other in general.

We need an agreed-upon definition. I'll accept yours, and speak on the terms you specify, if you specify.

Look above then as what I quoted was the first definition.

There is no "quotation" above. There is no definition above, so far as I can see.

So humour me, and say it again. What is your definition of the word "freedom"?