Why do men like to kill men?

[Greatest I am]

All sentient life has instincts. In humans, the suckling and grasping ones come to mind.

Infant sucking and grasping are reflexes, not examples of instinct. Instinct is a pre-programmed pattern of behavior enjoyed by all creatures except human beings, that automatically provides the behavior required of an organism to survive. An animal does not have to learn which things are food and which are poison, how acquire its food, what kind of environment it needs or how to build whatever kind of shelter it needs to live. Instinct provides the behavior required to achieve all those things.

A human being must discover, or learn form others who have discovered them, what the requirements of his life are, what food is, and what poison is, how to acquire food and prepare it for human consumption, what kind of shelter he needs and how to find or make it. The reason a human being must learn all these things is because nature does not provide the automatic instinctive behavior required for his survival, and even after he has discovered what he must do to live, he must consciously choose to do it.

An animal's instinctive behavior ensures its survival and it has not choice about. Man is the only creature that can choose to behave in a way contrary to the requirements of its nature and die.

When we can learn, true.

To deny that we have instincts has been refuted by science, but if you prefer to ignore facts -----

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

What a stupid comment.

I agree but tried to be more diplomatic.

Don't be diplomatic, just be honest.

Such judgements are subjective.

You claim we do not have instincts, yet offered no science to prove it, making your statement a subjective call where you are wrong, or, not so much stupid, but obtuse and belligerent.

You debate to win while I debate to lose, and you have yet to make me lose, while talking a win.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Adoption.

That's your answer? If your answer is just a recommendation that women put their children out for adoption rather aborting, why not cut to the chase and recommend they just not have abortions?

Absolutely.

But the adoption option sweeps away that foolish, shallow and selfish excuse, that the baby "would be better off dead." Very clearly, that is not remotely true.

You and I have a simple controversy.

You're advocating that women be permitted to kill their children at will, for no better reason than that they don't want anyone else to have them.

I'm advocating that they put them up for adoption to homes that are desperate to have them.

It's very clear to me which is the moral option. If it's unclear to you, then I really can't think of why.

Wow. You sure have your moral ass backwards.

If you believe in Yahweh, then death for a baby insures it gets to heaven.

You are well aware that in Christianity, only a few get to heaven, while the vast majority ends in hell.

Doing unto others should have you killing as many babies as possible so as to insure their best end in heaven.

You, by not doing so, are condemning many to hell and the worst end.

Prove me wrong, or stop feeding hell instead of heaven.

And you call what you do, as moral.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Why do men like to kill men?

At times of war, many men smile in the anticipation of killing another man. Sons love to anticipate killing as well. Killing is the epitome of personal drama and that is why we love it. Fathers love to see it in their children, and the children are eager to emulate their parents.

We just love war, and it we do not collectively stop loving it, it looks like we will go extinct. We are just to god damned powerful for this little spaceship earth.

Nice that modern humans, as a species we are so nice that we mostly do economic war. Not so nice when we wage military war. Unfortunately, we now seem to be waring against our own existence.

Better to trade, even with nature; so why do we seem eager to destroy ourselves by killing the earth?

The notion of honorable killing served us well to date. That notion, because of population pressures and M.A.D., now means more of an honorable suicide or genocide by all the military forces of the world, should they be stupid enough to get to a nuclear WWIII.

We men are no longer doing the best that we can for our children or our own best end. We have not curbed our love of killing enough and have put our full global habitat at risk of extinction. Stupid is as stupid does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIQynsWpBpQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Regards
DL

We have genetic issues. Some religious people according to study are inclined to religion because of gene: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... clination/

I agree that it is in our DNA as that is where our instincts are stored.

Do you think our intelligence will ever be able to override our instinctual love of war and killing?

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

It has nothing to do with you.

It has everything to do with the OP. It proves women are killers too.

[Immanuel Can]

But it's not my place to make anyone else do, or not do, anything.

That is, of course, not the question here.

The question here, according to the OP, is, "Why do men like to kill men?" And the abortion situation simply illustrates that women are not specially privileged in this regard -- they "like to kill" (to use GIA's) expression, every bit as much as men do, but sometimes do it in different ways.

[Immanuel Can]

Prove me wrong...

I have done so.

You postulated that "men like to kill men." I have pointed out that women "like to kill" (your words) children. So the premise of the OP, that killing is a sort of male predilection, is false: killing, and "liking" to do so, is not at all exclusive to men.

So far as my point goes, that's enough.

[Greatest I am]

Prove me wrong...

I have done so.

You postulated that "men like to kill men." I have pointed out that women "like to kill" (your words) children. So the premise of the OP, that killing is a sort of male predilection, is false: killing, and "liking" to do so, is not at all exclusive to men.

So far as my point goes, that's enough.

I do not see your argument.

But I am not surprised that you would take an un-earned win without even competing.

Stop trying to condemn babies to hell.

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

I do not see your argument.

It's terribly easy.

Men do kill (some men).

Women do kill (many babies).

So your OP is unrealistic. Men have no monopoly on homicide.

If you can't follow that, I don't suppose it would be easy to make it any simpler.

[bahman]

Why do men like to kill men?

At times of war, many men smile in the anticipation of killing another man. Sons love to anticipate killing as well. Killing is the epitome of personal drama and that is why we love it. Fathers love to see it in their children, and the children are eager to emulate their parents.

We just love war, and it we do not collectively stop loving it, it looks like we will go extinct. We are just to god damned powerful for this little spaceship earth.

Nice that modern humans, as a species we are so nice that we mostly do economic war. Not so nice when we wage military war. Unfortunately, we now seem to be waring against our own existence.

Better to trade, even with nature; so why do we seem eager to destroy ourselves by killing the earth?

The notion of honorable killing served us well to date. That notion, because of population pressures and M.A.D., now means more of an honorable suicide or genocide by all the military forces of the world, should they be stupid enough to get to a nuclear WWIII.

We men are no longer doing the best that we can for our children or our own best end. We have not curbed our love of killing enough and have put our full global habitat at risk of extinction. Stupid is as stupid does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIQynsWpBpQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Regards
DL

We have genetic issues. Some religious people according to study are inclined to religion because of gene: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... clination/

I agree that it is in our DNA as that is where our instincts are stored.

Do you think our intelligence will ever be able to override our instinctual love of war and killing?

Regards
DL

I think we need to evolve further.

[Greatest I am]

I do not see your argument.

It's terribly easy.

Men do kill (some men).

Women do kill (many babies).

So your OP is unrealistic. Men have no monopoly on homicide.

If you can't follow that, I don't suppose it would be easy to make it any simpler.

Your definition of baby is inaccurate and you don't care.

All you are showing is the hate in your heart and your dishonesty.

Stop sending souls to hell instead of heaven.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

We have genetic issues. Some religious people according to study are inclined to religion because of gene: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... clination/

I agree that it is in our DNA as that is where our instincts are stored.

Do you think our intelligence will ever be able to override our instinctual love of war and killing?

Regards
DL

I think we need to evolve further.

I do not see a change in our basic morality in our past to the present so I doubt that our DNA will foster a change.

I think it will have to come from education and less of the religions that create sheeple instead of thinking people.

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

Your definition of baby is inaccurate and you don't care.

Well, you don't like it. But biologically, you haven't a leg to stand on.

But that's not really the issue.

The issue is, "Do women 'like to kill,' in the sense that you claim men do.

And yes, yes they do, obviously.

[RCSaunders]

To deny that we have instincts has been refuted by science, but if you prefer to ignore facts ----

If you want to believe human beings have instinct, that's fine. There is no science that says human beings have instinct, however.

[RCSaunders]

Why do men like to kill men?

Just out of curiosity, because there seems to be a possible misunderstanding of your question on this thread, when you ask, "why do men like to kill men?" do you mean by, "men," only males, or are you speaking generically referring to human beings in general, both male and female?