Why do men like to kill men?

[Immanuel Can]

The claims of the OP that fathers and sons smile when killing men are patently false, and, as such, have been denied by many here.

Well, right. That's the point, really.

[Greatest I am]

How nasty is that?

Not as nasty of accusations of murder where there is no murder.

That makes you a vicious liar.

Use the right and accurate terms or go away.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Must have forgotten to take his meds.

Funny, and true.

This raises an important point: only the psychotic “like” to kill. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no understanding of killing or killing in war and has no business in a discussion of this kind. The claims of the OP that fathers and sons smile when killing men are patently false, and, as such, have been denied by many here. Make no mistake, I am saying that war, in any respect, should not be discussed by anyone so ignorant as to claim that killing is fun.

If we are not getting positive feedback from war and killing, why is our last 5,000 year history full of almost nothing else?

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

How nasty is that?

Not as nasty of accusations of murder where there is no murder.

Oh, there's plenty of murder. Did you read about Kermit Gosnell? Even if you were in favour of infanticide, you'd have to say this guy went too far.

But there's no way to argue that a baby, ten seconds before it fell into the hands of Kermit Gosnell, was not a person in every way that the newborn was. So there's been lots of murder...at least in every case of third-trimester abortions...and it gets worse from there.

But the point is this. Women are violent. They are simply, on average, prone to take different opportunities to be violent than men are. Not always, but often. Men have no monopoly on killing.

[henry quirk]

if you want to rewrite what I put to a better form, I will be please to plagiarize it.

To do that, I'd have to know exactly what it is you wanna talk about.

Give it a shot: without worryin' about length or correctness, just write a post tellin' us what your concern is, what issues are on table, mebbe throw in some broad parameters (like what you consider to be war). Ramble if you have to. Then, before you post, read it through, smooth it out, tighten it up.

Oh yeah: avoid fat paragraphs. Me: my eyes glaze over when I run across blocks of text.

[Greatest I am]

if you want to rewrite what I put to a better form, I will be please to plagiarize it.

To do that, I'd have to know exactly what it is you wanna talk about.

Give it a shot: without worryin' about length or correctness, just write a post tellin' us what your concern is, what issues are on table, mebbe throw in some broad parameters (like what you consider to be war). Ramble if you have to. Then, before you post, read it through, smooth it out, tighten it up.

Oh yeah: avoid fat paragraphs. Me: my eyes glaze over when I run across blocks of text.

If I have to include definitions of words like war, the issue will never be discussed as people will argue the meaning of words.

In philosophy, the definition of words happens after a general consensus is reached or when tightening a definition is required.

If people are not able to think analogically enough, they will likely never finish a conversation.

Regards
DL

[RCSaunders]

Why do men like to kill men?

Why do women like to kill their babies?

You and Greatest I am have a very warped sense of human nature. Perhaps in your and Greatest I am's circle men like to kill men or the women like to kill babies. I do not know a single man who likes to kill men (with exception of some professional murderers, i.e. government police and military) or any woman who likes to kill babies, especially her own.

Those who do such things are exceptions: psychopaths, otherwise mentally ill, or defending themselves. Just because somebody does something does not mean they like it. Did you ever change a baby's diaper? Did you like it?

[RCSaunders]

If we do not love war, why are we always fighting them?

I have no idea why you, and all those others you include in, "we," love war. Your, "we," certainly does not include me, and it doesn't include many other I know who despise war would never support or participate in one.

The majority of mankind is ignorant and gullible and will follow any authority, but love of war is not part of human nature.

[RCSaunders]

Every sperm is sacred.

Really!? Who knew?

[Immanuel Can]

You and Greatest I am have a very warped sense of human nature.

Nah.

It was GIA's postulate, not mine. I just pointed out that whatever argument was used against men worked very well for women too, so long as you looked at all cases of violence.

I feel no attachment to the word "like," nor any interest in defending it: was GIA's choice.

[commonsense]

Of the thousands of soldiers I served with in war, only one enjoyed killing people; he was diagnosed as a clinical psychopath and removed from the war zone. Normal people who become soldiers—and police as well I’d guess—do not like to kill others.

[RCSaunders]

It's actually an incredibly obvious statement. ALL live people are doing better than if they were murder victims. You don't even have to be a Theist to know that's true.

That's your view, but it is not necessarily the view of the individuals who are living, else self-chosen euthanasia and suicide would not be so popular.

By the way, what happens to an aborted fetus (baby)? I mean after it has died, does it cease to exist, or go on to some eternal destination and, if so, which one?

[Immanuel Can]

It's actually an incredibly obvious statement. ALL live people are doing better than if they were murder victims. You don't even have to be a Theist to know that's true.

That's your view,

No, it's a fact. Live people are better off than dead ones. As the saying goes, "Better a live dog than a dead lion," and "Where there's life, there's hope."

Moreover, unless you suppose that babies are all unhappy people who are secretly long for suicide or euthanasia, then it's hard to see the relevance of your objection.

In any case, the important point is simply this: women are often, in their own ways, as violent as the worst of men. They find different methods, but are not one whit less spiteful, mean, savage, unkind and even murderous, when they have cause to be.

Thus, the supposition of the OP is just wrong. And I think you'd agree with that conclusion, at least.

[Greatest I am]

If we do not love war, why are we always fighting them?

I have no idea why you, and all those others you include in, "we," love war. Your, "we," certainly does not include me, and it doesn't include many other I know who despise war would never support or participate in one.

The majority of mankind is ignorant and gullible and will follow any authority, but love of war is not part of human nature.

We crave drama. The circus in Socrates's bread and circuses.

If war and killing is not the epitome of drama to us, what is?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Of the thousands of soldiers I served with in war, only one enjoyed killing people; he was diagnosed as a clinical psychopath and removed from the war zone. Normal people who become soldiers—and police as well I’d guess—do not like to kill others.

You knew that many enough to know. Wow. Quite observant of you.

What mood were you all in after a briefing before you were sent to kill? Depressed or more of an oorah and eagerness to get the job done?

Regards
DL