Hell

[Eodnhoj7]

Hell exists within the majority of world's religions as a place where man is cuttoff from God through man's attachment to illusion.

People send themselves to hell with the Divine Image, man is created in, burning them due to their attachment to what is created rather than the creator.

This place is seperation of the internal and external identity of man from God.

It is manifested into a series of chaotic forms, through the transitory state of all sensual phenomena one is attached too, always cyclically passing in a state of generation and degeneration.

It is a self created place of the utmost cognitive dissonance, manifested as fire, darkness, and perpetual violence where man worships idols through attachment cause a sense of chaotic tension between his or her true nature and a lesser one.

The fire is the Divine image, perpetually manifested in man, burning what one gains a false identity through.

The violence is Divine justice in the sense one reaps what they sow where a life spent in dominating the images of God, in a way to seek greatness over God, cycles back.

The darkness is the transitory state of this false identity one is attached too continual unfolding as a primordial chaos.

Hell is self imposed isolation from God manifested under perpetual cycles of seperation from the source.

Forgiveness, generosity and prayer, as detachment from what is transitory and temporal, is the path out and away from this literal and metaphorical state.

Discuss.

[Lacewing]

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Discuss.

Why do you say "discuss"... as if you are a director or teacher who needs to tell the class what to do next? We're in a discussion forum. Why don't you tell us to breathe too?

I think hell is an idea/concept. People make up all kinds of stories about it, including turning it into something "real and physical" beyond just an idea.

From my experience, heaven and hell are states of mind that can be experienced in any moment, anywhere, and probably by anyone. The states represent the extremes we are capable of creating and/or experiencing. We don't need a god to provide it for us. We are very capable and prolific creators. Perhaps we fear our capability and creations, and think we need a god or others to hold the reigns for us. Perhaps we barricade ourselves in belief systems, so that we can make sense of all of this with stories and ideas.

Whatever helps someone find their way through this experience is their own trip to take. There are limitless trips to take -- many realities, not just one -- and I would think that should be obvious, but that's the reality of my trip.

[gaffo]

Hell exists within the majority of world's religions as a place where man is cuttoff from God

yep, Hell will be my future home for denying beleive in YHWH/the Gods/etc. in this life. assuming my atheism is wrong.

through man's attachment to illusion.

nope. I go to Hell forever due to my unbelief in God/s.

there is no empirical evidence to show God/s exist, quite the oppostie.

nothing to do with "illusions" as you stated above.


only evidence, or lack there of

People send themselves to hell with the Divine Image,

bullshit

[Greatest I am]

Hell, like heaven, are imaginary constructs invented by religions.

It is a part of their carrot and stick childish mentality.

The inquisitors had no good moral arguments to convert with so used fear as a weapon against the gullible.

It is all a part of their supernatural/stupid thinking. Especially when Jesus, in scriptures, tells us that heaven is right here on earth.

God, being omni-present, would only hang around heaven as he is not supposed to abide where sin is in hell.

God likes to see us sin. That is why Christians sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

You know your Easter hymn I am sure.

Regards
DL

[Age]

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Discuss.

Why do you say "discuss"... as if you are a director or teacher who needs to tell the class what to do next? We're in a discussion forum. Why don't you tell us to breathe too?

I think hell is an idea/concept. People make up all kinds of stories about it, including turning it into something "real and physical" beyond just an idea.

From my experience, heaven and hell are states of mind that can be experienced in any moment, anywhere, and probably by anyone. The states represent the extremes we are capable of creating and/or experiencing. We don't need a god to provide it for us. We are very capable and prolific creators. Perhaps we fear our capability and creations, and think we need a god or others to hold the reigns for us. Perhaps we barricade ourselves in belief systems, so that we can make sense of all of this with stories and ideas.

Whatever helps someone find their way through this experience is their own trip to take. There are limitless trips to take -- many realities, not just one -- and I would think that should be obvious, but that's the reality of my trip.

There is only One actual Reality, but there are many interpretations of Reality, and I do think that this should be obvious. But that is the reality of the Reality of this One and only trip, which many are on and in.

[Age]

Hell exists within the majority of world's religions as a place where man is cuttoff from God

yep, Hell will be my future home for denying beleive in YHWH/the Gods/etc. in this life. assuming my atheism is wrong.

through man's attachment to illusion.

nope. I go to Hell forever due to my unbelief in God/s.

there is no empirical evidence to show God/s exist, quite the oppostie.

What is the empirical evidence that shows God does not exist?

By the way there is plenty of empirical evidence that clearly shows God does exist.

But maybe you just have a completely different view and use a completely different definition of what 'God' is, then what I see and have?

nothing to do with "illusions" as you stated above.


only evidence, or lack there of

People send themselves to hell with the Divine Image,

bullshit

[Lacewing]

There is only One actual Reality

An obvious reason that you (or anyone) might claim there's ONE reality is so that you can then claim to know what that is or isn't. Right? And you think you know that, yes? Just as many others might claim THEY know.

Why would you (or anyone) be more significant than other humans to know such a thing? Why would the Universe be so small as to be known by ANY human in humanly-contrived terms? Whatever you (or anyone) thinks is "advanced" or "vast", is likely a fraction or delusion of the potential.

If we are all made of the same stuff, why would anyone be lost or need to be saved, and why would anyone be somehow uniquely aware of all else that others aren't and/or should be? It makes no sense... except to an ego.

[Age]

There is only One actual Reality

An obvious reason that you (or anyone) might claim there's ONE reality is so that you can then claim to know what that is or isn't. Right?

Have you still not let go of this assumption and belief of yours YET?

I am the last person here who would ever claim such a thing.

You really will not see the Truth of things while you maintain such assumptions and beliefs.

And you think you know that, yes? Just as many others might claim THEY know.

You could not be more WRONG even if you wanted to be.

What others claim has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL to do with me and what I say.

Why would you (or anyone) be more significant than other humans to know such a thing?

You really do NEED to let go of your assumptions and beliefs about what is true to you, that is: If you really do want to be able to look at and see the actual REAL Truth of things.

Why would the Universe be so small as to be known by ANY human in humanly-contrived terms?

Why would any human being being holding such a twisted and distorted assumption and/or belief as this one, is?

Whatever you (or anyone) thinks is "advanced" or "vast", is likely a fraction or delusion of the potential.

If this is true to you, then this is just a totally absurd and ridiculous assumption being made about me, which is absolutely and totally WRONG, by the way.

If we are all made of the same stuff, why would anyone be lost or need to be saved, and why would anyone be somehow uniquely aware of all else that others aren't and/or should be? It makes no sense... except to an ego.

And to have and maintain this view, which has obviously come from an overzealous belief, and which is OBVIOUSLY has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with what i have said, then SHOWS just how much assumptions and beliefs distort the Reality and the Truth of things.

[surreptitious57]

I agree with Age here because for me Reality is simply everything that exists and has existed and will ever exist as well
So it is not necessary to have any true knowledge or understanding of Reality as long as the definition itself is absolute

[Lacewing]

There is only One actual Reality

An obvious reason that you (or anyone) might claim there's ONE reality is so that you can then claim to know what that is or isn't. Right?

I am the last person here who would ever claim such a thing.

Then how can you say it unless you think you know it?

[Lacewing]

You really will not see the Truth of things while you maintain such assumptions and beliefs.

Please tell me your assumptions and beliefs of what my assumptions and beliefs are.

SHOWS just how much assumptions and beliefs distort the Reality and the Truth of things.

Perhaps all of that is your own reality.

[Age]

An obvious reason that you (or anyone) might claim there's ONE reality is so that you can then claim to know what that is or isn't. Right?

I am the last person here who would ever claim such a thing.

Then how can you say it unless you think you know it?

Just because I think or know that there is One reality, this does not then mean that I say there is One reality just so that I can then claim to know what this Reality is or is not.

By the way, if you ever become interested in learning, understanding, knowing what my views are about this One reality, then feel free to ask as many clarifying questions as you like, instead of just assuming and jumping to conclusions that I am saying this from that one perspective only, which you are holding onto here.

[Age]

You really will not see the Truth of things while you maintain such assumptions and beliefs.

Please tell me your assumptions and beliefs of what my assumptions and beliefs are.

Have I previously informed you that i do not have any beliefs at all, and that I do not like to assume any thing at all?

If yes, then why ask such a question?

But if no, then now you know.

Anyway, one of the assumptions and beliefs that I see you have are that you assume and/or believe that I am claiming, or want to claim, that i personally know what the actual Truth of things is.

And, as I suggested, you really will not see the Truth of things while you maintain such assumptions and beliefs. That is; You will not get to see the full and actual picture of what I am getting at, saying, and meaning.

SHOWS just how much assumptions and beliefs distort the Reality and the Truth of things.

Perhaps all of that is your own reality.

It could well be.

But just take any adult human being, as an example, when they are assuming and/or believing some thing to be true, which you know with absolute certainty is not true at all, and what can be very clearly and easily witnessed and evidenced is a human being twisting and distorting the actual Reality and/or the actual Truth of things with their own personal subjective assumed and/or believed "truth".

Human beings on most occasions do not do this twisting and distorting intentionally and/or purposefully. They do this, on most occasions, without even realize that they are doing this. Adult human beings learned and have become experts at "reasoning", what essentially can not be logically reasoned with Reality.

[Greatest I am]

On sending ourselves to hell.

If we actually can choose after death, I would not be surprised if most of us chose hell.

Heaven would become quite boring rather quickly.

Perhaps those who choose heaven are not the brightest bulbs.

Lest we forget, in heaven there is no freedom of thought.

Satan tried to think and was sent here.

Regards
DL

[RCSaunders]

What is the empirical evidence that shows God does not exist?

So you believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy, and trolls because there is no empirical evidence that shows they do not exist.

By the way there is plenty of empirical evidence that clearly shows God does exist.

Well, if it's, "emprical evidence," it is only evidence of the empirical. If there were empirical evidence of a God, no one would doubt it. The reason so many people doubt there is God, (or the particular God you believe in), is because there is no such evidence.

But maybe you just have a completely different view and use a completely different definition of what 'God' is, then what I see and have?

You ought to believe whatever you believe, so long as you are convinced by your own best reason, but if you are going to expect others to believe what you do, it is up to you to define what you mean. For example, if you insist there is a God, before anyone else can know what you mean you have to explain what you mean by God--not in vague abstract terms, but in specifics that can be logically analyzed. Isn't that fair?

I would love to know what your definition of God is.