ANOTHER TRANNY BASHING THREAD

[Skepdick]

They do have somewhere to pee: the men's toilet.

If men stopped bullying them - that would be a fine solution too!

You are scared of men. Trannies are scared of men.

If your fear justifies having a separate bathroom, then so should theirs.

[henry quirk]

Sure, man categorizes, by recognizing and naming what exists.

Henry,

EVERYTHING exist - the whole Universe. It's one big Existence.

Nothing exists in categories.

Cognition is what classifies things into categories. ALL categories are human constructs.

I keep having to demonstrate this fact, and it keeps going over your head.

Reality is a big, mostly empty box that has some stuff in it. The stuff is not homogenous. Differences, peculiars, particulars, qualities and characteristics, and combinations of differences, peculiars, particulars, qualities and characteristics exist that we recognize then name. Recognizing and naming is categorization.

You keep draggin' the conversation into the marsh and, of course, I have to drag it back onto dry land.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

They do have somewhere to pee: the men's toilet.

If men stopped bullying them - that would be a fine solution too!

You are scared of men. Trannies are scared of men.

If your fear justifies having a separate bathroom, then so should theirs.

You are being a shallow idiot.

[Immanuel Can]

I'm trying to understand a position that seems to contradict completely your agenda.

Contradictions don't matter in practice. Look past them.

Yeah, they do. They signal irrationality. So no, nobody should "look past" them, if he wants to be rational.


Scenarios:

1.

Trans-Wanter (i.e. dysphoric person): "I was born physiologically male, but I want to be female."

IC et al.: "You poor felllow: you've lost touch with reality. Since almost 50% of you folks have suicidal ideation, I'd better help you out. You'll only really be happy when you get back in touch with who you really are. Here's the name of my therapist. He's a good guy, and he can help you come to grips with the truth. It won't be easy, but you can win.

>>>>>

2.

Trans-Wanter (i.e. dysphoric person): "I was born physiologically male, but I want to be female."

Trans-Advocate: "Well, then, you shall be female. Here's the name of a surgeon who will help you out. Don't worry about your suicidal ideation...even though it's going to be marginally higher after the operation. Be well; and tell everybody you meet what a virtuous person I am, because I helped you."

>>>>>

3.

Trans-Wanter (i.e. dysphoric person): "I was born physiologically male, but I want to be female."

Skepdick: "Sorry...your categories have no reality to them. I don't acknowledge them."


And the winner is....?

[Skepdick]

Reality is a big, mostly empty box that has some stuff in it. The stuff is not homogenous. Differences, peculiars, particulars, qualities and characteristics, and combinations of differences, peculiars, particulars, qualities and characteristics exist that we recognize then name. Recognizing and naming is categorization.

Henry, your perspective is lop-sided.

You are ONLY focusing on all the differences.
You are IGNORING all the similarities!

There really is no way for me to conquer the Dunning Kruger barrier for you. learn a book on statistics and classification.

MAYBE (if you actually cared about learning something new and challenging) you will do some homework on computer vision algorithms and machine learning.

But I doubt it... you are too old to care to do better.

You keep draggin' the conversation into the marsh and, of course, I have to drag it back onto dry land.

You got this backwards Henry. I am on dry land. You've never got out of the marshes.

You are still a naive realist. I am a humanist.

That's why Philosophy is called The Humanities. You haven't figured out what the human condition is all about.

[henry quirk]

Trans-Wanter (i.e. dysphoric person): "I was born physiologically male, but I want to be female."

Skepdick: "Sorry...your categories have no reality to them. I don't acknowledge them."

Indeed. If category is fiction then I'm not obliged to recognize any, so when Joe sez he's Josephine I don't have to acknowledge his self-definition.

Reality is, however: Joe is not Josephine, cuz the differences, peculiars, particulars, qualities and characteristics we name woman are not his.

[henry quirk]

You are ONLY focusing on all the differences.
You are IGNORING all the similarities!

In context: it's the (immutable, fixed) differences we're talkin' about.


You are still a naive realist. I am a humanist.

Yes, I make an effort to recognize what is and you make an effort to legitimize what isn't.

[henry quirk]

Man categorizes, by recognizing and naming what exists, not by makin' shit up.

Man recognizes (he does not invent) differences, peculiars, particulars, qualities and characteristics, man recognizes (he does not invent) the various combinations of differences, peculiarities, particulars, qualities, characteristics; man recognizes, then he applies placeholders to the lot.

Gender/sex is fixed and immutable; we don't invent this, we only recognize it.

A man can no more be a woman than he can be a platypus.

[Skepdick]

Yeah, they do. They signal irrationality. So no, nobody should "look past" them, if he wants to be rational.

No, they don't. That's just your naive interpretation. It's all the Philosophical dogma you've been fed all your life.

Contradictions signal mutability. Mutability and logical consistency are mutually incompatible ideas.

I explained ALL of this here:

...

There is nothing "rational" in trying to use immutable logic to describe a mutable reality.

Rationality is goal-driven behaviour - competence. Every other conception is just empty Philosophical slogans.

Perhaps you should re-examine the claim that Philosophers have been unable to tell their heads from their asses for 2000+ years.

[Skepdick]

In context: it's the (immutable, fixed) differences we're talkin' about.

Harry, you are STILL talking ONLY about the differences.

You are STILL ignoring the similarities!

[henry quirk]

Harry, you are STILL talking ONLY about the differences.

Cuz, in context, it's the differences we're talkin' about.

We're not talkin' about Stan and Betty's real commonalities; we're talkin' about Stan and Betty's real, fixed, differences.

Again, you keep pullin' in the direction of the marsh.

Me: I'm good right here on dry land.

[Immanuel Can]

Yeah, they do. They signal irrationality. So no, nobody should "look past" them, if he wants to be rational.

No, they don't. That's just your naive interpretation. It's all the Philosophical dogma you've been fed all your life.

Well, we disagree. No surprise there. I believe in rationality, and you believe in...?

[Skepdick]

Well, we disagree. No surprise there. I believe in rationality, and you believe in...?

I believe in rationality too. We just define the criteria for "rationality" differently.

By my criteria you aren't rational, and I sure prefer my definition to yours.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/4ARtkT3 ... ed-winning

[henry quirk]

Yeah, they do. They signal irrationality. So no, nobody should "look past" them, if he wants to be rational.

No, they don't. That's just your naive interpretation. It's all the Philosophical dogma you've been fed all your life.

Well, we disagree. No surprise there. I believe in rationality, and you believe in...?

humanism

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You are still a realist. I am a humanist.

Indeed. What an irrational position--being a realist