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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:55 pm
RCSaunders wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:46 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:11 pm So being is not composed of curves?
Right!
So being is not composed of forms either?
That's right!
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RCSaunders wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:55 pm
RCSaunders wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:46 pm
Right!
So being is not composed of forms either?
That's right!
So a thing is a thing and there is no other way to define it? It is a thing because it is a thing?
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:07 pm So a thing is a thing and there is no other way to define it? It is a thing because it is a thing?
I would never have said it that way, but it is certainly true enough. It's very similar to Aristotle's A is A, a thing is what it is.

But, what I think you are really getting at is, "what is a thing?" It's true enough to say, "a thing is what it is," but what exactly is a thing?

That is the question I answer in my introductory article on ontology, one version on this site: Ontology Introduction, another version online here: Ontology—A Brief Introduction.

Briefly, I'll say that any existent is whatever it's "qualities," (i.e., "characteristics," "attributes," "properties," "aspects," and "states") are.
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RCSaunders wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:35 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:07 pm So a thing is a thing and there is no other way to define it? It is a thing because it is a thing?
I would never have said it that way, but it is certainly true enough. It's very similar to Aristotle's A is A, a thing is what it is.

But, what I think you are really getting at is, "what is a thing?" It's true enough to say, "a thing is what it is," but what exactly is a thing?

That is the question I answer in my introductory article on ontology, one version on this site: Ontology Introduction, another version online here: Ontology—A Brief Introduction.

Briefly, I'll say that any existent is whatever it's "qualities," (i.e., "characteristics," "attributes," "properties," "aspects," and "states") are.
But isn't quality of continuum of things? One thing to another or one thing continuing as a thing? Isn't that which continues a form by nature as it projects from one position to another?
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:47 pm
RCSaunders wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:35 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:07 pm So a thing is a thing and there is no other way to define it? It is a thing because it is a thing?
I would never have said it that way, but it is certainly true enough. It's very similar to Aristotle's A is A, a thing is what it is.

But, what I think you are really getting at is, "what is a thing?" It's true enough to say, "a thing is what it is," but what exactly is a thing?

That is the question I answer in my introductory article on ontology, one version on this site: Ontology Introduction, another version online here: Ontology—A Brief Introduction.

Briefly, I'll say that any existent is whatever it's "qualities," (i.e., "characteristics," "attributes," "properties," "aspects," and "states") are.
But isn't quality of continuum of things? One thing to another or one thing continuing as a thing? Isn't that which continues a form by nature as it projects from one position to another?
Can you rephrase the question? A, "quality," is any attribute of an existent." I have no idea what you mean by a, "continuum," or, "one thing to another." What to you mean by, "form?" Do you mean, "shape," or are you thinking about Platonic, "forms?"
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RCSaunders wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:07 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:47 pm
RCSaunders wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:35 pm
I would never have said it that way, but it is certainly true enough. It's very similar to Aristotle's A is A, a thing is what it is.

But, what I think you are really getting at is, "what is a thing?" It's true enough to say, "a thing is what it is," but what exactly is a thing?

That is the question I answer in my introductory article on ontology, one version on this site: Ontology Introduction, another version online here: Ontology—A Brief Introduction.

Briefly, I'll say that any existent is whatever it's "qualities," (i.e., "characteristics," "attributes," "properties," "aspects," and "states") are.
But isn't quality of continuum of things? One thing to another or one thing continuing as a thing? Isn't that which continues a form by nature as it projects from one position to another?
Can you rephrase the question? A, "quality," is any attribute of an existent." I have no idea what you mean by a, "continuum," or, "one thing to another." What to you mean by, "form?" Do you mean, "shape," or are you thinking about Platonic, "forms?"
Isn't a quality a set of attributes that continue in any given thing?
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:41 pm Isn't a quality a set of attributes that continue in any given thing?
No. A quality is any characteristic, attribute, or property of an existent. For example, some qualities of gold are:

Color: Bright Yellow
Luster: It has a shine or glow
Ductility: It can be beaten into extremely thin sheets of gold leaf
Malleability: Capable of being shaped or bent
Conductivity: Good electrical conductor
Solubility: Dissolves in Aqua regia
Hardness: A relatively soft metal.
Density: It is a dense metal
Melting point: It melts at 1065°C
Activity: Gold is chemically inactive, it's extremely resistant to chemical action
Isotopes: It has one stable isotope, 197Au
Reactivity: Gold reacts with halogens to forms halides
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RCSaunders wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:54 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:41 pm Isn't a quality a set of attributes that continue in any given thing?
No. A quality is any characteristic, attribute, or property of an existent. For example, some qualities of gold are:

Color: Bright Yellow
Luster: It has a shine or glow
Ductility: It can be beaten into extremely thin sheets of gold leaf
Malleability: Capable of being shaped or bent
Conductivity: Good electrical conductor
Solubility: Dissolves in Aqua regia
Hardness: A relatively soft metal.
Density: It is a dense metal
Melting point: It melts at 1065°C
Activity: Gold is chemically inactive, it's extremely resistant to chemical action
Isotopes: It has one stable isotope, 197Au
Reactivity: Gold reacts with halogens to forms halides
Yet the attributes must continue therefore making quality a continuum of attributes. For example the quality of silver's color, given conditions of being tarnished or untarnished, must continue within the given conditions.

A quality is a set of continuums.

For further example the quality of red is made up of a myriad of different attributes (light or dark red, certain objects as red, etc.) where red is a continuum of different attributes.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:05 am Yet the attributes must continue therefore making quality a continuum of attributes. For example the quality of silver's color, given conditions of being tarnished or untarnished, must continue within the given conditions. ...

Gold doesn't tarnish, but in any case, I've answered your questions as well as I can. Apparently it's not well enough. I'm sorry.
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Space has no properties, it only has the attribute of being the reciprocal of time.

The point of A = A "a thing is what it is" is grossly inadequate
to capture even the basic universal phenomena of relative motion:
to move in towards, or away from. ±

I recently found the universal identity which equals both 1 and Φ³ at the same time.
This means that the only difference between '1' and Φ³ (4.23606797...) is "polarity"
viz. one single ±. The expression is generally in the form:

aπ² + bπ² ± cπ² / dπ²

And indicates the beginning/end of the real number system, which collapses into -12/144 (-1/12).

To give an example: take (1+√5)/2 (this is phi: 1.618...) and replace '1' with 'π' to make (π+π√5)/2π resulting in the same.
Doing it this way removes the need to introduce one's own '1' and instead let Φ/π do it, as squaring (π+π√5)/2π yields Φ + 1 (2.618...)
And from here the identity can eventually be constructed which yields 1 and Φ³ as the "same identity" less: ± on the c term.

The identity clarifies the Reimann Hypothesis in that all real number values have a value of 1/2 given all primes are encoded by this identity.
It does this by clarifying that "imaginary" numbers are not actually imaginary: they are the "operations" of Φ as they relate to the "real" unit circle whose relative datum is simply '1' hence: 1/2 for real values, as there is no other real value beside the imaginary one.
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nothing wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:54 am Space has no properties, it only has the attribute of being the reciprocal of time.

The point of A = A "a thing is what it is" is grossly inadequate
to capture even the basic universal phenomena of relative motion:
to move in towards, or away from. ±

I recently found the universal identity which equals both 1 and Φ³ at the same time.
This means that the only difference between '1' and Φ³ (4.23606797...) is "polarity"
viz. one single ±. The expression is generally in the form:

aπ² + bπ² ± cπ² / dπ²

And indicates the beginning/end of the real number system, which collapses into -12/144 (-1/12).

To give an example: take (1+√5)/2 (this is phi: 1.618...) and replace '1' with 'π' to make (π+π√5)/2π resulting in the same.
Doing it this way removes the need to introduce one's own '1' and instead let Φ/π do it, as squaring (π+π√5)/2π yields Φ + 1 (2.618...)
And from here the identity can eventually be constructed which yields 1 and Φ³ as the "same identity" less: ± on the c term.

The identity clarifies the Reimann Hypothesis in that all real number values have a value of 1/2 given all primes are encoded by this identity.
It does this by clarifying that "imaginary" numbers are not actually imaginary: they are the "operations" of Φ as they relate to the "real" unit circle whose relative datum is simply '1' hence: 1/2 for real values, as there is no other real value beside the imaginary one.
Yet all phenomenon exist through spatial curves.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:57 am
nothing wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:54 am Space has no properties, it only has the attribute of being the reciprocal of time.

The point of A = A "a thing is what it is" is grossly inadequate
to capture even the basic universal phenomena of relative motion:
to move in towards, or away from. ±

I recently found the universal identity which equals both 1 and Φ³ at the same time.
This means that the only difference between '1' and Φ³ (4.23606797...) is "polarity"
viz. one single ±. The expression is generally in the form:

aπ² + bπ² ± cπ² / dπ²

And indicates the beginning/end of the real number system, which collapses into -12/144 (-1/12).

To give an example: take (1+√5)/2 (this is phi: 1.618...) and replace '1' with 'π' to make (π+π√5)/2π resulting in the same.
Doing it this way removes the need to introduce one's own '1' and instead let Φ/π do it, as squaring (π+π√5)/2π yields Φ + 1 (2.618...)
And from here the identity can eventually be constructed which yields 1 and Φ³ as the "same identity" less: ± on the c term.

The identity clarifies the Reimann Hypothesis in that all real number values have a value of 1/2 given all primes are encoded by this identity.
It does this by clarifying that "imaginary" numbers are not actually imaginary: they are the "operations" of Φ as they relate to the "real" unit circle whose relative datum is simply '1' hence: 1/2 for real values, as there is no other real value beside the imaginary one.
Yet all phenomenon exist through spatial curves.
Space does not curve:
what pi is to angular momentum,
phi is to linear unit length r such
that the two co-create ad infinitum.

It is therefor silly to create flaccid tautologies with numbers:
it is not the number that counts, it is how you "numerate".
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nothing wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:52 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:57 am
nothing wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:54 am Space has no properties, it only has the attribute of being the reciprocal of time.

The point of A = A "a thing is what it is" is grossly inadequate
to capture even the basic universal phenomena of relative motion:
to move in towards, or away from. ±

I recently found the universal identity which equals both 1 and Φ³ at the same time.
This means that the only difference between '1' and Φ³ (4.23606797...) is "polarity"
viz. one single ±. The expression is generally in the form:

aπ² + bπ² ± cπ² / dπ²

And indicates the beginning/end of the real number system, which collapses into -12/144 (-1/12).

To give an example: take (1+√5)/2 (this is phi: 1.618...) and replace '1' with 'π' to make (π+π√5)/2π resulting in the same.
Doing it this way removes the need to introduce one's own '1' and instead let Φ/π do it, as squaring (π+π√5)/2π yields Φ + 1 (2.618...)
And from here the identity can eventually be constructed which yields 1 and Φ³ as the "same identity" less: ± on the c term.

The identity clarifies the Reimann Hypothesis in that all real number values have a value of 1/2 given all primes are encoded by this identity.
It does this by clarifying that "imaginary" numbers are not actually imaginary: they are the "operations" of Φ as they relate to the "real" unit circle whose relative datum is simply '1' hence: 1/2 for real values, as there is no other real value beside the imaginary one.
Yet all phenomenon exist through spatial curves.
Space does not curve:
what pi is to angular momentum,
phi is to linear unit length r such
that the two co-create ad infinitum.

It is therefor silly to create flaccid tautologies with numbers:
it is not the number that counts, it is how you "numerate".
Space is the curve.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:01 pm Space is the curve.
No it is not - time also has three dimensions,
thus shares in the "curve" attribute as it is not
a "spacial" property.

Space has no properties.
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nothing wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:38 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:01 pm Space is the curve.
No it is not - time also has three dimensions,
thus shares in the "curve" attribute as it is not
a "spacial" property.

Space has no properties.
A line is space between points.
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