Reincarnation. Who or what would reincarnate? (explained)

[surreptitious57]

But the seeing everything only from the first person subjective perspective does not have to be

I certainly do not see everything from the first person subjective perspective

One is used to seeing everything from a first person subjective perspective so it is hard to let go
What I do instead is to avoid holding onto anything any more than I think is absolutely necessary
My thoughts for example are in a constant state of motion and so holding onto them is not required
So I try to keep them to a minimum as much as possible and try to remain as detached as I possibly can
When I am dead I will have no need for them so they only matter in the here and now and nowhere else

[surreptitious57]

There is no being learning HOW to BE

How do think ALL adults BE what they BE come ?

To me they learn HOW to BE

Adults [ and children ] be what they become by just EXISTING and nothing else
You do not need to learn how to exist as YOU JUST DO with no effort required
How much effort are you putting into simply existing right now - NONE AT ALL
Learning and existing are not the same thing - learning requires mental effort but being is effort free / effort less

[surreptitious57]

Most of our thinking however is still the thinking that is done without words

I have no idea yet of how most of human being thinking is the thinking done without words

Language is more complex than thought because it has to be learned therefore thought existed first because it is natural
A baby can think for itself on a very primitive level but it cannot read or write or speak without being taught those skills

Language is necessary for communication with others but thoughts do not have to be communicated to anyone at all
It is therefore not necessary to need words to think only if someone other than yourself needs to know your thoughts

[Dontaskme]

The limits of scientific inquiry only show What Our Separate I does not want to accept :
That Our Separate I is just an illusion of Our Particular Vantage Point of Existence

We see everything from a first person subjective perspective that creates the illusion of separation
That reality is something OUT THERE - when the actual truth is that we are a part of reality as well
Only when we learn to see everything from a Gods Eye perspective can we actually understand this
Reality is not OUT THERE rather we are IN reality - but even when one does learn this they will still
see everything from the first person subjective perspective and so may easily forget it - I know I do

Very good, simple and to the point, thank you.

[Dontaskme]

How do think ALL adults BE what they BE-come?

But this thread is not talking about BECOMING

It's talking about BEING, who or what is BEING.

The answer is there isn't an answer and yet being is immediately self evident in the direct experience...and that's where the buck stops, everything else is just a conceptual ADD ON an imagined story.

Being does not learn to be, no more than a baby in the womb learns how to grow from seed or learns how to birth itself out into it's mothers arms, or learns how to breathe upon it's arrival...all such actions are just happening to no baby.

This is what is being discussed here, so please try to stay on topic, I know it's difficult for you, but this is my thread so I will direct it and take control of putting it on the right track again when necessary which seems to be all the time lately with certain responses.

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[Dontaskme]

There is no being learning HOW to BE

How do think ALL adults BE what they BE come ?

To me they learn HOW to BE

Adults [ and children ] be what they become by just EXISTING and nothing else
You do not need to learn how to exist as YOU JUST DO with no effort required
How much effort are you putting into simply existing right now - NONE AT ALL
Learning and existing are not the same thing - learning requires mental effort but being is effort free / effort less

Well said.

Language is a tool within the world of maya only, it's a need that doesn't need to be, but it is part of it all, nevertheless.. but Age does not see that this is not what is being discussed here, and yet you do, so thank you for seeing that.

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[Dontaskme]

Through the experience of BEing the children beings they learn HOW to BE and BE-come the adult BE-ings of the species human BE-ings.

Unfortunately though, because the way be-ing children are, they have absolutely no say in what they experience and thus learn, so they BE-come adult BE-ings just continually on the wrong path, they being a human being has created, and are continually well-wearing that same old path. Children do not sadly learn HOW to BE-come who they Truly ARE and who they are meant to Truly BE. That is; thee One Spiritual BE-ing God.

BE-cause children can only learn from what they experience, and the have yet to experience where human be-ings are BE-ing the Truly loving BE-ings they ARE meant to BE and want to BE, children, sadly and unfortunately, have also not learned HOW to BE-come what the species human be-ings will eventually BE-come and BE one day, anyway.

The above quote is a load of Bullshit lies. So again, I don't agree with you.

In reality, every dreamt up 'individual mind' is exactly where it's meant to be in every moment, there is no wrong path, because EVERY SINGLE path being experienced is a perfect expression of Oneness. No thing is ever where it should not be at any time or place. Reality is going LIVE right now, there is no time machine to go back and undo a wrong path.

This is the wisdom of true oneness knowledge.

All is as it's meant to be in the immediate moment, including the BS liar.


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[Dontaskme]

This part is very true, from the human being perspective.

But from the BEING's perspective, I do not look from the human being perspective, but can very easily see from that personal subjective perspective as well as so can see where all the flaws are and see why they exist.

But the seeing everything only from the first person subjective perspective does not have to be.

I certainly do not see everything from the first person subjective perspective. I look and see from Everything's perspective, or from God's perspective, which is just looking from God's perspective, which is in the spiritual sense from the Mind's Eye, which is able to look at and see ALL things, or Everything.

In stark contrast. Read below.

but although human beings are not more nor less important than absolutely any thing else, it is good to note that without the human being, or more correctly without the evolved human brain, which is able to obtain information, store vast amounts of it, and conceptualize, then God, or the Universe, Itself, would not be able to work out and understand Itself, and therefore would not have eventually come to KNOW thy Self, through the human species.

Makes perfect nonsense to me.

It really amuses me Age the way you like to play both roles separately. AM I the role I'm playing? or AM I playing the role?...or what about both at the same time simultaneously? ... Are you aware you do this?

Is it any wonder why hardly anyone on here agrees with your confused ranting. You really are one strange ball of confusion.

If like you say this can all be explained in WORDS effortlessly, then you are doing a lousy job of proving that.

Bye the way, most people on this thread, knows exactly what you are talking about - even if it is explained in a rather messy jumbled up way.

Like I keep repeating, words can point to what is being showed, but they can never touch it.

If you believe they can then start your own thread proving that belief. Oh, but you don't have any beliefs do you?

So you are just like everyone else that believes they KNOW....when they CLEARLY DONT.

Oh well, on with the pantomime. The show must go on.

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[Age]

From the Gods Eye perspective of reality nothing is any more important than anything else as everything is ONE
Therefore human beings are no more or no less important than every other thing experiencing the eternal NOW

This is very true but although human beings are not more nor less important than absolutely any thing else it is good to note that without the human being or more correctly without the evolved human brain which is able to obtain information store vast amounts of it and conceptualize then God or the Universe Itself would not be able to work out and understand Itself and therefore would not have eventually come to KNOW thy Self through the human species

The Universe would carry on regardless even if human beings did not have the capability to understand it

Yes very true, which I never disagreed with.

but they do that in order to understand it for themselves .

And, as I pointed out, and noted, without the evolution of species with a brain as capable as it is in the human species, then thee Universe or God would not have Self-actuated.

Human beings evolving and working things out for themselves is one thing, but evolution just does not stop there.

See, the One 'thing', which is thee Universe, is evolving. After human beings then thee True Self will further evolve, and BE-come, or come-to-BE, more Aware and KNOWING of Its True Self. Just like human beings, evolved from other beings, with the ability to understand, know, and create more things than past beings, so to will thee True Being, which UNDERSTANDS, KNOWS, and CREATES far more things than the human being ever did. This continually evolving BEING, which will is just evolving from and through those limited human beings, just as human beings evolved from and through other beings. Evolution just does not stop at, nor because of, human beings.

Either human beings will wipe themselves out through their wrong or inappropriate behaviors, or they will decide to finally change, for the better, and thus then can and will evolve out past that limited thinking human being and start BE-coming, and BE-ing, thee True BEING, Itself.

The Universe itself does not need to know how it works - it just exists .

Yes it is very true that the Universe Itself does not need to know how It works. But because 'It' just exists and keeps evolving forever, then an intelligent enough species will eventually evolve to work out and realize just 'Who 'I', the Universe, actually am' and how 'I' actually work.

Through the language that is created, and evolving, then learning, understanding, and KNOWING more is also continually growing and evolving as well, and through evolution understanding what the Universe, Itself, Truly IS just comes to exist. There is no stopping this fact, and with this knowledge also comes the knowledge of HOW thee Universe Itself starts KNOWING Its True Self.

There is no need for the Universe to work how out It works. But, the Universe just did.

For most of its existence there were no human beings

The Universe obviously does not need a species with the intelligence to work things out, for the Universe to exist and keep existing. But, considering what thee Universe actually IS, and how the Universe actually works, then a species, with enough intelligence, will eventually evolve to work out and discover ALL-OF-THIS.

[Age]

But the seeing everything only from the first person subjective perspective does not have to be

I certainly do not see everything from the first person subjective perspective

One is used to seeing everything from a first person subjective perspective so it is hard to let go

Granted, it might appear "hard" at first, but it is not impossible at all.

Also, when the older ones learn and know HOW to change and look and see things differently, properly, then, when they are doing this and because of how OPEN the younger ones are and how quick they can learn, children will just naturally learn, by copying and following, how to look at and see every thing from God's perspective also very easily and very quickly. To them they will just naturally be seeing everything from God's Truly objective perspective, instead of just from first person subjective perspective, so, to them, they will just be naturally SEEING and BEING God instead of just seeing and being a human being with a personal subjective perspective.

What I do instead is to avoid holding onto anything any more than I think is absolutely necessary

Just like nothing is absolutely necessary, nor needed, by the Universe, God, or the BEING Itself. Nothing is absolutely necessary, nor needed, for the human being itself, other than four things. Holding onto anything more than these four things is unnecessary. The four things that are absolutely necessary are clean air, clean water, enough nutrients, and the right kind of attention, or love.

My thoughts for example are in a constant state of motion and so holding onto them is not required
So I try to keep them to a minimum as much as possible and try to remain as detached as I possibly can

I think you will find it just about impossible to keep thoughts to anything less than constant.

When I am dead I will have no need for them so they only matter in the here and now and nowhere else

Okay, but the True 'I' or True Self does not die. Although the human being with that body and that thinking brain will stop breathing and thinking, so that brain will not be obtaining and gathering anymore information, so 'you' will not be aware of the HERE and NOW anymore. But thee 'I' exists ALWAYS in the HERE-NOW. For 'I' to be living in the HERE-NOW, in a much better way that exists in the days when this is written, then there is no need for thinking at all, but just living with KNOWING and just living in (thought-free) AWARENESS is all that is Truly needed, for 'I' to be living with every one as One, in True Peace and Harmony.

[Dontaskme]

I KNOW of 'Universal KNOWING', 'non thought KNOWING', 'Absolute KNOWING', or other sorts of KNOWING, which can be completely unconsciously known, by ALL human beings. But, as soon as this KNOWING becomes known, then it is sub or consciously known in 'thought or thinking', and this be-comes and is knowledge, which is obviously held within thought.

It's not thought or thinking that knows, for knowledge is a fictional representation of whats actually only ever a presentation presenting itself prior to any 'thought belief' about it.

Talking, which is just sound heard as words - is an appearance within reality which has nothing to say about itself, as it is silent. The universe never tells itself it is the universe.

Words have no substance whatsoever except as a believed imaged/imagined thing that is NOT ACTUALLY HERE. Words lead only to misunderstanding the true nature of reality as they serve only as an interpretation via false beliefs that don't exist in reality.

And so knowledge can only inform the illusory nature of the reality ..for that which is known can know nothing. Watch that video I posted recently on this thread to see this.

Reality cannot be adequately and accurately RE-PRESENTED in WORDS as this leads to conflict and symantics and IS NOT what reality ACTUALLY is at all.

But keep on believing your non-beliefs if what you don't believe but actually do is true.

It's no coincidence that animals do not talk, or use words to function in the world. Animals know without knowing, and so do humans, but all you do Age is you get totally lost in the conceptual CON that is man-made belief structures, that you then claim to not have.

Start your own THREAD, and PROVE what you BELIEVE can be put into words for all to see, so that you can show that all can understand what is being represented in WORDS ....and lets see if what you claim to be done is actually true...until you do that, then you are just nothing more than a barking dog.

Prove your claim by action speaking louder than words, or else shut the fuck up. Or just carry on ooozing an arrogance of the highest level, it's your delusion.

Have you ever started your own thread?

Or do you just like hijacking other peoples threads ?

You are a joker, seriously, prove your claim that ALL THIS CAN BE PUT INTO WORDS, or eat your words.

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[Age]

There is no being learning HOW to BE

How do think ALL adults BE what they BE come ?

To me they learn HOW to BE

Adults [ and children ] be what they become by just EXISTING and nothing else

If you say so, then it must be so, correct?

But, to me, EXISTING as a human beings IS learning.

You do not need to learn how to exist as YOU JUST DO with no effort required

Yes this might be true. But human being do not just EXIST, like every other animal and species does.

If you want to BE a doctor or a lawyer or such, then you have to learn these things.

In fact just about every thing human beings do is learned. How mothers and how fathers behave and misbehave is learned, from past experiences.

How do you love, punish, and treat others, and how do you do just about every thing else you do if it was not from learning?

Within 'you' there is a KNOWING of what is right and wrong, what is true and false, et cetera. But, just about absolutely every thing you do is learned.

How much effort are you putting into simply existing right now - NONE AT ALL

This is a little bit of effort beyond NONE AT ALL. Otherwise i would not still be existing.

But nonetheless this does not mean that what we become is just from EXISTING only.

Learning and existing are not the same thing - learning requires mental effort but being is effort free / effort less

True, but how much are we taught to use 'mental effort'.

From the age of about five for the next ten or so years at least we are forced to use 'mental effort' to reach a goal for "others" or we will not BE-come who we are more or less instructed to BE.

As children we are not allowed to just EXIST and BE-come whoever we Truly ARE or what we Truly want to BE and BE-come. We 'have to' BE-come for money or fame, or both.

As children we are forced to learn things, so that we BE-come "something", as they say, for the love-of-money.

How the education-system works, in the days up to when this is written, it forcefully teaches children to learn to BE "something".

Instead of just BEING, for JUST EXISTING, by drawing out the True potential in each and every one, so that we can be-come who we Truly want to BE. We are forcefully taught to be-come "something else" instead. This takes learning and mental effort, which we are forced to do, from when we were just BEING very young children.

[Age]

Most of our thinking however is still the thinking that is done without words

I have no idea yet of how most of human being thinking is the thinking done without words

Language is more complex than thought because it has to be learned therefore thought existed first because it is natural
A baby can think for itself on a very primitive level but it cannot read or write or speak without being taught those skills

Well since you were a baby, then how did you think without language?

What did you think of or about?

Language is necessary for communication with others but thoughts do not have to be communicated to anyone at all

This does not mean that one can think without language.

When either of you or "dontaskme" explains how you thought without language, then I will have something to look at. Until then I do not KNOW what you are talking about.

To me, it is very easy to KNOW things. This is because of the Mind and how It works. But, to be able to explain this KNOWING, language, words, definitions, and meanings are needed. But, to me, thinking is only what the brain does, but first it would need some sort of language to think with first.

But when how thinking can be, or better still is, done without language is shown here, then great.

It is therefore not necessary to need words to think only if someone other than yourself needs to know your thoughts

How did you arrive at this supposed conclusion?

What are the logical steps you made here?

Premise 1. Language is more complex than thought. What evidence is there for this?
Premise 2. Language has to be learned but thought does not. Is there evidence that there is thought without language? If yes, then what is that evidence? And, just because language may seem more complex to learn than just thinking itself, then this does not mean that it actually follows nor even logically follows.
Conclusion. Thought existed first because it is natural. Is there any evidence or examples that thought existed before language? If yes, then what are they?

Also, absolutely EVERY thing in the Universe is natural, so language is as natural as thinking is.

[Age]

How do think ALL adults BE what they BE come ?

To me they learn HOW to BE

Adults [ and children ] be what they become by just EXISTING and nothing else
You do not need to learn how to exist as YOU JUST DO with no effort required
How much effort are you putting into simply existing right now - NONE AT ALL
Learning and existing are not the same thing - learning requires mental effort but being is effort free / effort less

Well said.

Language is a tool within the world of maya only, it's a need that doesn't need to be, but it is part of it all, nevertheless.. but Age does not see that this is not what is being discussed here, and yet you do, so thank you for seeing that.

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Again accusing me of some thing.

I SAW this BEFORE, and MORE.

[Dontaskme]

You do not need to learn how to exist as YOU JUST DO with no effort required

Yes this might be true. But human being do not just EXIST, like every other animal and species does.

If you want to BE a doctor or a lawyer or such, then you have to learn these things.

Actually, human beings have no more purpose or place here in the universe than that of a cockroach.

This subject thread is NOT talking about a human animal be-coming the great pretender of believing it is something other than what it actually IS..AKA of being a someone or a something.

Please stay on topic and stop derailing this thread with knowledge that is obviously obvious to anyone with a brain cell.

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