The Ethics of Discrimination

[Ansiktsburk]

In my native scandinavian country fugitive immigration is possibly the largest hot potatoe at the moment. Immigrants have undeniably caused a lot of problems. Criminality, unemployment, bad behaviour in schools. Is it reasonable to say that ethnic scandinavians should put up with that? Os is it ”discrimination” to regret the large number of immigrants in general and fugitives in particular?

[Sculptor]

In my native scandinavian country fugitive immigration is possibly the largest hot potatoe at the moment. Immigrants have undeniably caused a lot of problems. Criminality, unemployment, bad behaviour in schools. Is it reasonable to say that ethnic scandinavians should put up with that? Os is it ”discrimination” to regret the large number of immigrants in general and fugitives in particular?

Scandinavia has had massive benefits from immigration like all other EU countries.
Lack of preparation and vetting are the problems - and that is a government problem.
Does this justify me discrimination against all politicians?
No.
So what makes you think discriminating against all immigrants is valid?

What I actually see here is a rationalisation of your inherent racism, by you choosing to blame ordinary people trying to better themselves by taking on all the shit jobs that local Scandies won't do, rather than blame an economic system that is engineered to exploit immigrants.

Immigrants not only provide a cheap workforce but also a ready made scapegoats to take the focus away from pirate capitalism which exploits the asymetrical economic systems between host and country of origin.

[Immanuel Can]

In my native scandinavian country fugitive immigration is possibly the largest hot potatoe at the moment. Immigrants have undeniably caused a lot of problems. Criminality, unemployment, bad behaviour in schools. Is it reasonable to say that ethnic scandinavians should put up with that? Os is it ”discrimination” to regret the large number of immigrants in general and fugitives in particular?

I would suggest it's racist to presume that all people of a particular "race" are bad. I would suggest it's every bit equally racist to insist that they are all good. Both are clear cases of racism, by definition.

What is reasonable, fair, just and non-racist is to jail or deport every person who enters a country and commits a crime, without any regard whatsoever of his or her race. If he/she is a citizen, it's jail or the relevant punishment. If it's a non-citizen, then that person can legitimately be deported as well. Those who enter a country must do so legally, and then become subject to all its laws, without regard for race.

If they're happy to do that, then "Welcome." If not, "Bye bye." And that's not racially coded at all. And in that situation, the number involved, be it "large" or "small" is not even relevant.

[henry quirk]

QED

Yeah, you, sharin' an intimate moment with your mum's decaying keister, has been demonstrated.

PS: your pop is jealous...he's all lubed up and waitin' for ya

In your dreams.

Your wet dreams; my eyeball meltin' nightmares.

[Ansiktsburk]

In my native scandinavian country fugitive immigration is possibly the largest hot potatoe at the moment. Immigrants have undeniably caused a lot of problems. Criminality, unemployment, bad behaviour in schools. Is it reasonable to say that ethnic scandinavians should put up with that? Os is it ”discrimination” to regret the large number of immigrants in general and fugitives in particular?

I would suggest it's racist to presume that all people of a particular "race" are bad. I would suggest it's every bit equally racist to insist that they are all good. Both are clear cases of racism, by definition.

What is reasonable, fair, just and non-racist is to jail or deport every person who enters a country and commits a crime, without any regard whatsoever of his or her race. If he/she is a citizen, it's jail or the relevant punishment. If it's a non-citizen, then that person can legitimately be deported as well. Those who enter a country must do so legally, and then become subject to all its laws, without regard for race.

If they're happy to do that, then "Welcome." If not, "Bye bye." And that's not racially coded at all. And in that situation, the number involved, be it "large" or "small" is not even relevant.

The issue is really a number´s game. How many immigrants can reasonably be accommodated in a society without becoming a dissatisfied proletariat? At what rate can one reasonably welcome immigrants? Is that ”discrimination”? Or an unvalid discussion?

[Ansiktsburk]

In my native scandinavian country fugitive immigration is possibly the largest hot potatoe at the moment. Immigrants have undeniably caused a lot of problems. Criminality, unemployment, bad behaviour in schools. Is it reasonable to say that ethnic scandinavians should put up with that? Os is it ”discrimination” to regret the large number of immigrants in general and fugitives in particular?

Scandinavia has had massive benefits from immigration like all other EU countries.
Lack of preparation and vetting are the problems - and that is a government problem.
Does this justify me discrimination against all politicians?
No.
So what makes you think discriminating against all immigrants is valid?

What I actually see here is a rationalisation of your inherent racism, by you choosing to blame ordinary people trying to better themselves by taking on all the shit jobs that local Scandies won't do, rather than blame an economic system that is engineered to exploit immigrants.

Immigrants not only provide a cheap workforce but also a ready made scapegoats to take the focus away from pirate capitalism which exploits the asymetrical economic systems between host and country of origin.

Of course there are benefits. Otherwise, please read my post again. Your answer suggest you have not read it.

[Immanuel Can]

The issue is really a number´s game. How many immigrants can reasonably be accommodated in a society without becoming a dissatisfied proletariat?

Not a "proletariat." That's the Marxist term. It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, and only applies to the working class.

At what rate can one reasonably welcome immigrants?

It depends.

Is that ”discrimination”?

Of course. But is it good or bad "discrimination," because that word is actually both positive and negative.

Or an unvalid discussion?

There's no such thing, in philosophy. In philosophy, "valid" is a word that describes syllogisms, not general issues. And in philosophy, one discusses everything.

[Ansiktsburk]

The issue is really a number´s game. How many immigrants can reasonably be accommodated in a society without becoming a dissatisfied proletariat?

Not a "proletariat." That's the Marxist term. It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, and only applies to the working class.

At what rate can one reasonably welcome immigrants?

It depends.

Is that ”discrimination”?

Of course. But is it good or bad "discrimination," because that word is actually both positive and negative.

Or an unvalid discussion?

There's no such thing, in philosophy. In philosophy, "valid" is a word that describes syllogisms, not general issues. And in philosophy, one discusses everything.

Your comments makes sense generally.
As for the first point, English is(obviously) not my maiden language. What word do you use for people who becomes a dissatisfied lower class, living in No-go areas?
When you say that the rate depends ,what do you see that it depends on?

[Immanuel Can]

As for the first point, English is(obviously) not my maiden language.

That's fine. My Turkish is much worse. You're doing fine.

What word do you use for people who becomes a dissatisfied lower class, living in No-go areas?

Gangs. Illegals. Economic migrants. Only those that are from genuinely life-threatening regimes are rightly called "refugees."

When you say that the rate depends ,what do you see that it depends on?

It depends on things like what the receiving country is willing and able to do, how much money it can designate to the problem, on whether or not the migration is legal and controlled (so the country can respond with resources), on the reasons for the migration in each case, and so on.

There are cases in which a country should attempt to take everyone that comes. There are some in which it should take none. And there are a lot of degrees in between.

[Sculptor]

Yeah, you, sharin' an intimate moment with your mum's decaying keister, has been demonstrated.

PS: your pop is jealous...he's all lubed up and waitin' for ya

In your dreams.

Your wet dreams; my eyeball meltin' nightmares.

yeah whatever turns you on, but leave me out of it perv.

[Sculptor]

In my native scandinavian country fugitive immigration is possibly the largest hot potatoe at the moment. Immigrants have undeniably caused a lot of problems. Criminality, unemployment, bad behaviour in schools. Is it reasonable to say that ethnic scandinavians should put up with that? Os is it ”discrimination” to regret the large number of immigrants in general and fugitives in particular?

Scandinavia has had massive benefits from immigration like all other EU countries.
Lack of preparation and vetting are the problems - and that is a government problem.
Does this justify me discrimination against all politicians?
No.
So what makes you think discriminating against all immigrants is valid?

What I actually see here is a rationalisation of your inherent racism, by you choosing to blame ordinary people trying to better themselves by taking on all the shit jobs that local Scandies won't do, rather than blame an economic system that is engineered to exploit immigrants.

Immigrants not only provide a cheap workforce but also a ready made scapegoats to take the focus away from pirate capitalism which exploits the asymetrical economic systems between host and country of origin.

Of course there are benefits. Otherwise, please read my post again. Your answer suggest you have not read it.

Of course I read it.
Your response more than suggests you want to avoid the issues.

[henry quirk]

In your dreams.

Your wet dreams; my eyeball meltin' nightmares.

yeah whatever turns you on, but leave me out of it perv.

Cum, cum, my good fellow, it's far too late to be left out, or behind, now: you're in (her) too deep.

[Ansiktsburk]

Scandinavia has had massive benefits from immigration like all other EU countries.
Lack of preparation and vetting are the problems - and that is a government problem.
Does this justify me discrimination against all politicians?
No.
So what makes you think discriminating against all immigrants is valid?

What I actually see here is a rationalisation of your inherent racism, by you choosing to blame ordinary people trying to better themselves by taking on all the shit jobs that local Scandies won't do, rather than blame an economic system that is engineered to exploit immigrants.

Immigrants not only provide a cheap workforce but also a ready made scapegoats to take the focus away from pirate capitalism which exploits the asymetrical economic systems between host and country of origin.

Of course there are benefits. Otherwise, please read my post again. Your answer suggest you have not read it.

Of course I read it.
Your response more than suggests you want to avoid the issues.

Then read what you have written. You make all kind uf references to stuff I have not written, presupposes loads and omit important parts. Immanuel seems to understand, though.

[Ansiktsburk]

Just to give the numbers: about half a million refugees in 4 years on a population of 10 million. This is not simple. And racism have grown dramatically. A party, which i personally find appalling, with neo-Nazi roots is now the largest political party. Criminal gangs, to 75% consisting of people with non-scandinavian parents daily are involved in shootings. In a country where shootings were extremely rare. Unemployment among immigrants are very high. It’s beautiful peope who come here, with stories of easy employment, but ends up in social problems, drugs. Of course, a lot of people, notably from Iraq arrives here with good education and do get jobs and a good life. Have had loads of colleagues that I get along with better than most swedes(my chinese colleagues were the nicest people I have ever met). There are good people eveywhere.

But when large number of people, very many with very poor education arrives in a country in a short time, you get problems. Amongst them, racism.

[Sculptor]

Your wet dreams; my eyeball meltin' nightmares.

yeah whatever turns you on, but leave me out of it perv.

Cum, cum, my good fellow, it's far too late to be left out, or behind, now: you're in (her) too deep.

I told you already - keep your dreams to yourself.