Not Value Judgments

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Many people say that if you have any given experience such as a hellish or beautiful experience in your life, that this is simply a matter of you projecting a value judgment upon a certain experience in your life. But let me tell you just how much nonsense this really is. Imagine if you were in a completely calm and relaxed mood where you are not experiencing any physical or emotional pain. From there, something happens to you in your life and, although this experience does not cause you any physical or emotional pain, you claim that this was the worst and most hellish experience of your life.

While you are in a completely calm and relaxed state of mind, you claim that this event was the worst and most hellish experience for you. From there, imagine someone like me who is in the worst possible state of misery of my life due to a traumatic emotional event in my life. For me, this was the worst hellish experience. Especially those crippled dream states I explain later on in my other packets. What you are saying here is that your relaxed and calm "hellish" experience can be just as bad or an even worse experience than a traumatic emotional induced hellish experience such as the experiences and crippled dream states I have been through.

That's like saying that a person in a completely calm and relaxed state of mind who is experiencing no physical or emotional pain can have a hellish experience that is just as bad as or even worse than someone in agonizing pain getting their limbs sawed off. It would also be like you saying that having the worst physical or emotional pain of your life can be just as hellish of an experience as not having it. The person getting their limbs sawed off is clearly having the hellish experience here while you are, in a way, the one making a mocking version of this person's agony and misery with your own "hellish" experience. It shows complete ignorance of what pain, suffering, and hell truly is.

Pain, suffering, and hell are NOT value judgments. They are clearly the horrible feelings themselves whether they be miserable moods, physical, agonizing, pain, or crippled dream states. Therefore, the value judgment version of beauty, joy, and hell does not exist. In order to have a hellish experience in your life, then you need to experience a horrible feeling. Likewise, if you wish to have a beautiful and joyful experience in your life, then you need to experience a good feeling. This also applies to having good value, worth, and bad value in our lives.

Our lives having good value, worth, and bad value are also not value judgments either. If you wish for your life to be the best life (have the greatest good value and worth) and if you wish to have the best experience in your life, then that requires you to experience the most powerful feeling of joy or beauty beyond this world such as what near death experiencers report when they encounter and experience the love of God. Likewise, in order for your life to be the absolute worst life, then that requires the absolute worst and most powerful experience of misery or hopelessness such as what I've experienced in my crippled nightmares.

However, there is the possibility that I am leaving out other experiences in life which are truly beautiful and hellish experiences. Perhaps our feelings are not the only things that can be the hellish and beautiful experiences for us. Although, I have never experienced this myself. But just to be open minded here, maybe your value judgments create the type of experience you have. If you think that feelings are the only things that can be a beautiful and hellish experience for you, then maybe it is your way of thinking that creates your reality of experience for you. Therefore, your particular reality of experience would be a reality where it is only your feelings that give you hellish and beautiful experiences.

But let's pretend that I never had the outlook I have had and I Instead had a different outlook where I thought that hellish and beautiful experiences really are value judgments. Would I actually be able to experience a hellish or beautiful experience even without feeling good or bad? Or would the experience not be hellish or beautiful at all for me and I would instead just be fooling and deluding myself into judging these experiences as hellish and beautiful when they really aren't? Remember, if I wish to have value, worth, joy, inspiration, drive, happiness, and beauty in my life, then they have to be real experiences here for me. It cannot be a matter of me thinking my life has these things when the fact of the matter is that I am not actually having any experience of any real value, worth, joy, inspiration, drive, happiness, or beauty in my life.

[Age]

Many people say that if you have any given experience such as a hellish or beautiful experience in your life, that this is simply a matter of you projecting a value judgment upon a certain experience in your life. But let me tell you just how much nonsense this really is.

Okay. Let us hear it.

Imagine if you were in a completely calm and relaxed mood where you are not experiencing any physical or emotional pain.

Okay. Doing this now.

From there, something happens to you in your life and, although this experience does not cause you any physical or emotional pain, you claim that this was the worst and most hellish experience of your life.

Okay, Done this.

While you are in a completely calm and relaxed state of mind, you claim that this event was the worst and most hellish experience for you.

But HOW can I do BOTH at the exact same time?

From there, imagine someone like me who is in the worst possible state of misery of my life due to a traumatic emotional event in my life.

But IF I am imagining 'you', who IS someone who is "the worst possible state of misery of your life", due to any reason, then this is what I am imagining.

For me, this was the worst hellish experience.

Okay.

Especially those crippled dream states I explain later on in my other packets. What you are saying here is that your relaxed and calm "hellish" experience can be just as bad or an even worse experience than a traumatic emotional induced hellish experience such as the experiences and crippled dream states I have been through.

No. I would NEVER say any such thing.

Would 'you' say such a thing?

If no, then we BOTH would NOT say such a thing.

If, however, yes, then WHY would 'you' say such a thing?

That's like saying that a person in a completely calm and relaxed state of mind who is experiencing no physical or emotional pain can have a hellish experience that is just as bad as or even worse than someone in agonizing pain getting their limbs sawed off.

But would you say some thing like this?

Also, REMEMBER 'you' did tell us to IMAGINE some thing.

And, REMEMBER 'you' did NOT ask us for our feedback of what would say or not say in regards to what we were IMAGINING. REMEMBER, 'you' TOLD US what we would say OR to IMAGINE that that is what we would say.

It would also be like you saying that having the worst physical or emotional pain of your life can be just as hellish of an experience as not having it.

If this is what you BELIEVE, then okay.

The person getting their limbs sawed off is clearly having the hellish experience here while you are, in a way, the one making a mocking version of this person's agony and misery with your own "hellish" experience. It shows complete ignorance of what pain, suffering, and hell truly is.

BUT this is YOUR instructions of WHAT to IMAGINE.

It does NOT appear to be ANY thing like what most human beings would just IMAGINE on their own, to me.

Pain, suffering, and hell are NOT value judgments.

It ALL depends on WHAT specific things 'you' are talking about here.

Is the pain felt in that body when it is being whipped, while the pleasure being felt in this body when it is being whipped, also NOT value judgments?

Is the suffering felt in that body when it was being abused, while the pleasure AND love felt in this body when it was being abused, also NOT value judgments?

Is 'your' version of "hell" the EXACT SAME as 'my' version of "hell", NOT value judgments?

If the different "versions/stories" being told here by "different" individuals are NOT based on 'value judgments', then what are they actually based on EXACTLY?

If, for example, 'you' LOOKED AT and SEE humanity, in the years of when this is written, as being relatively peaceful and loving, but I SEE warring and abuse, then what are these VIEWS based off of, if NOT value judgments?

They are clearly the horrible feelings themselves whether they be miserable moods, physical, agonizing, pain, or crippled dream states.

Where do "feelings" come from?

Why can one child LOVE being abused, while "another" child hates being abused?

Therefore, the value judgment version of beauty, joy, and hell does not exist.

Did 'you' actually write some thing here, which I MUST OF MISSED, which clearly COMES TO and SHOWS this conclusion? Or, did 'you' just express 'your' OWN BELIEFS, in a way, which 'you' BELIEVED proved that they are true, right, and correct?

Why can 'you' LOOK AT a puppy and SEE beauty, while "another" can LOOK AT the SAME puppy buts SEES pure ugliness?

If these obviously completely OPPOSITE points of view are NOT (based on) value judgments, then what EXACTLY are they based on?

In order to have a hellish experience in your life, then you need to experience a horrible feeling.

I agree. BUT;

If 'you' as a child were abused, then was that a "hellish experience" in your life?

If yes, then WHY was being abused to some "other" children a "heavenly experience", in their life?

Obviously, What is a "horrible feeling" to some, and thus a "hellish experience", to them, CAN BE a "terrific feeling", for "others", and a very "heavenly experience", to them.

Likewise, if you wish to have a beautiful and joyful experience in your life, then you need to experience a good feeling.

BUT, it does NOT work this way.

Can ALL people, ALL of the time, WISH to have a beautiful and joyful experience, in their life, only to then experience "bad" or "horrible" feelings instead during experiences?

You can NOT tell yourself, "I NEED to experience a good feeling", and then it magically happens. "feelings/emotions" come and go WITH experiences.

The VERY PURPOSE of feelings/emotions is to provide a SIGN post of what is going on for 'you' during experiences.

This also applies to having good value, worth, and bad value in our lives.

But I thought you had already, supposedly, PROVED that there are NO value judgments in your lives?

Our lives having good value, worth, and bad value are also not value judgments either.

Seems VERY contradictory, well to me anyway.

If you wish for your life to be the best life (have the greatest good value and worth) and if you wish to have the best experience in your life, then that requires you to experience the most powerful feeling of joy or beauty beyond this world such as what near death experiencers report when they encounter and experience the love of God.

Oh okay. All of what 'you' have said is leading up to; IF 'you' WISH for some thing.

BUT, there are some, like 'me', who just LOVE to experience Life, as it IS, and NOT how I WISH it is.

This way I am NEVER disappointed NOR disheartened, like 'you' appear to get.

By the way, who and/or what is this God thing, which you just mentioned here?

Likewise, in order for your life to be the absolute worst life, then that requires the absolute worst and most powerful experience of misery or hopelessness such as what I've experienced in my crippled nightmares.

HOW were 'your' nightmares 'crippled'? What is involved in a 'crippled nightmare' compared to an ordinary 'nightmare'?

However, there is the possibility that I am leaving out other experiences in life which are truly beautiful and hellish experiences.

Maybe.

Perhaps our feelings are not the only things that can be the hellish and beautiful experiences for us. Although, I have never experienced this myself. But just to be open minded here, maybe your value judgments create the type of experience you have.

EVERY thought actually creates the "life" you have. EVERY thought come about because of a feeling/emotion. And, EVERY emotion also comes about by what is being thought.

If a value judgment is being made or not, and HOW one comes about is solely because of thought, itself. What is being thought comes from a bodily experience, and what is internally experienced comes from thoughts.

If you think that feelings are the only things that can be a beautiful and hellish experience for you, then maybe it is your way of thinking that creates your reality of experience for you. Therefore, your particular reality of experience would be a reality where it is only your feelings that give you hellish and beautiful experiences.

IF 'you' are a VERY young child, and thus have very little thoughts about things, and your mother is beating you madly, then it is ONLY the feelings that are being experienced, and thus it is ONLY the feelings, which is giving 'you' the "hellish" (or "beautiful") experience.

For adults this is different because it is the feelings, which create the thoughts, and it is the thoughts that provide the "hellish" or "beautiful" experiences that 'you' are having/experiencing.

But let's pretend that I never had the outlook I have had and I Instead had a different outlook where I thought that hellish and beautiful experiences really are value judgments.

Okay. In pretend mode now.

Would I actually be able to experience a hellish or beautiful experience even without feeling good or bad?

YES. If 'you' use the VERY THING, which 'you' instructed us to use, from the very first word of your third sentence here, in this post. IMAGINE.

IF 'you' use IMAGINATION, then 'you' CAN experience ABSOLUTELY ANY THING. However, in saying that, IF 'you' have ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED some thing in real previously, then it makes it much easy to IMAGINE, in real, also.

Or would the experience not be hellish or beautiful at all for me and I would instead just be fooling and deluding myself into judging these experiences as hellish and beautiful when they really aren't?

IF 'you' are IMAGINING any situation, and then "judging" those experiences as being ANY 'real' thing, then 'you' would be 'deluding your own 'self' '.

IF 'you' are judging some thing as being real, when it is obviously NOT, then 'you' are deluding. However, if you are just judging this IMAGINED experience as it would be "hellish" or "beautiful", then that is NOT deluding, but just a DRIVE to either do or not do some thing, which would create that experience to be ACTUALLY REAL.

Remember, if I wish to have value, worth, joy, inspiration, drive, happiness, and beauty in my life, then they have to be real experiences here for me.

Okay.

It cannot be a matter of me thinking my life has these things when the fact of the matter is that I am not actually having any experience of any real value, worth, joy, inspiration, drive, happiness, or beauty in my life.

Okay.