Islam do not Condone Killing of Non-Muslims?

[Age]

Your whole point on islam is based on distorted BELIEFS and wrong ASSUMPTIONS, therefore, to critique your "points" is just a waste of time. Until your rid yourself of your distorted and wrong BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS, then all you are doing is SEEING things, which CONFIRM your already held, and OBVIOUS, BIASES.

You, however, appear so BLIND that you can NOT even SEE these biases at all.

I have stated many times, what I believed and presented is not my personal beliefs but they are based on the Quranic verses [words of Allah] and are agreed by many reputable Islamic Scholars.

And just because you say some thing does NOT matter it any more true.

What you say here is what is EXPOSING just is how BLIND and CLOSED you are. You actually BELIEVE that you have the ONE and ONLY True interpretation of the quran, and then say completely OBVIOUSLY FALSE things like; "Reputable people AGREE with you".

LOL

Do you really expect us to BELIEVE these sort of claims?

You are speaking from your own experiences, i.e. what you present is from your own personal subjective views which are bias and corrupted with your damaged mental state.
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LOL

Will you provide ANY examples?

Also, are you at all aware that EVERY one speaks from their own experiences?

So, EVERY thing I present is from my own personal subjective views, which is what I have said from the outset of entering this forum.

You, however, say my views are bias, SO what do you now say my views are BIASED on, and/or with exactly.

Also, what do you say is MY damaged "mental state", which you say has corrupted my views?

Also, WHY do you rarely answer my clarifying questions?

Is it because you are too afraid to, or, because you are just totally incapable of doing so?

[Veritas Aequitas]

I have stated many times, what I believed and presented is not my personal beliefs but they are based on the Quranic verses [words of Allah] and are agreed by many reputable Islamic Scholars.

And just because you say some thing does NOT matter it any more true.

What you say here is what is EXPOSING just is how BLIND and CLOSED you are. You actually BELIEVE that you have the ONE and ONLY True interpretation of the quran, and then say completely OBVIOUSLY FALSE things like; "Reputable people AGREE with you".

Do you really expect us to BELIEVE these sort of claims?

You are speaking from your own experiences, i.e. what you present is from your own personal subjective views which are bias and corrupted with your damaged mental state.

Will you provide ANY examples?

Also, are you at all aware that EVERY one speaks from their own experiences?

Yes I stated "Reputable people AGREE with you", i.e. reputable Islamic Scholars and notable Muslims agree with my view.

Note I quoted, Ibn Kathir, Izutsu, and there are many others I have read of.

• Ismail ibn Kathir ( c. 1300 – 1373) was a highly influential historian, exegete and scholar during the Mamluk era in Syria. An expert on tafsir (Quranic exegesis) and faqīh (jurisprudence), he wrote several books, including a fourteen-volume universal history.

There is a long list of famous Islamic Scholars and Imans I can quote who agree with my views.

I don't think you have ever researched into those notable Islamic scholars.

In any case, what is critical is the views of these notable Islamic scholars must aligned with what is in the Quran, i.e. the words of Allah.

Your views above are intellectually bankrupt and merely based on your own personal subjective views which are not grounded on any justification except from your damaged mental faculty.

All you do is to pick words and phrases from what I referenced without understanding the whole context of the Quran and insist your views are CORRECT when your mental faculty is suspect.

[Age]

I have stated many times, what I believed and presented is not my personal beliefs but they are based on the Quranic verses [words of Allah] and are agreed by many reputable Islamic Scholars.

And just because you say some thing does NOT matter it any more true.

What you say here is what is EXPOSING just is how BLIND and CLOSED you are. You actually BELIEVE that you have the ONE and ONLY True interpretation of the quran, and then say completely OBVIOUSLY FALSE things like; "Reputable people AGREE with you".

Do you really expect us to BELIEVE these sort of claims?

You are speaking from your own experiences, i.e. what you present is from your own personal subjective views which are bias and corrupted with your damaged mental state.

Will you provide ANY examples?

Also, are you at all aware that EVERY one speaks from their own experiences?

Yes I stated "Reputable people AGREE with you", i.e. reputable Islamic Scholars and notable Muslims agree with my view.

Note I quoted, Ibn Kathir, Izutsu, and there are many others I have read of.

• Ismail ibn Kathir ( c. 1300 – 1373) was a highly influential historian, exegete and scholar during the Mamluk era in Syria. An expert on tafsir (Quranic exegesis) and faqīh (jurisprudence), he wrote several books, including a fourteen-volume universal history.

There is a long list of famous Islamic Scholars and Imans I can quote who agree with my views.

I don't think you have ever researched into those notable Islamic scholars.

In any case, what is critical is the views of these notable Islamic scholars must aligned with what is in the Quran, i.e. the words of Allah.

Your views above are intellectually bankrupt and merely based on your own personal subjective views which are not grounded on any justification except from your damaged mental faculty.

All you do is to pick words and phrases from what I referenced without understanding the whole context of the Quran and insist your views are CORRECT when your mental faculty is suspect.

You insist that the WHOLE context of the quran is evil, violent, and immoral. Yet here we are 1500 years AFTER, with relatively almost ALL of the OVER 1.5 BILLION "muslims" relatively NOT being evil and NOT being violent. Whereas, I UNDERSTAND the WHOLE context of the quran is about PEACE and being PEACEFUL.

So, what is your explanation for WHY the HUGE majority of "muslims" ARE NOT doing what you say they SHOULD be doing?

I have ALSO stated that absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer. This MEANS that the way you INTERPRET the quran, or any thing else for that matter, is RELATIVE to YOU.

Also, once again, I just asked you FIVE clarifying questions, and NOT one of them is LOOKED AT and RESPONDED TO. Instead you go on about some thing else.

[Veritas Aequitas]

And just because you say some thing does NOT matter it any more true.

What you say here is what is EXPOSING just is how BLIND and CLOSED you are. You actually BELIEVE that you have the ONE and ONLY True interpretation of the quran, and then say completely OBVIOUSLY FALSE things like; "Reputable people AGREE with you".

Do you really expect us to BELIEVE these sort of claims?

You are speaking from your own experiences, i.e. what you present is from your own personal subjective views which are bias and corrupted with your damaged mental state.

Will you provide ANY examples?

Also, are you at all aware that EVERY one speaks from their own experiences?

Yes I stated "Reputable people AGREE with you", i.e. reputable Islamic Scholars and notable Muslims agree with my view.

Note I quoted, Ibn Kathir, Izutsu, and there are many others I have read of.

• Ismail ibn Kathir ( c. 1300 – 1373) was a highly influential historian, exegete and scholar during the Mamluk era in Syria. An expert on tafsir (Quranic exegesis) and faqīh (jurisprudence), he wrote several books, including a fourteen-volume universal history.

There is a long list of famous Islamic Scholars and Imans I can quote who agree with my views.

I don't think you have ever researched into those notable Islamic scholars.

In any case, what is critical is the views of these notable Islamic scholars must aligned with what is in the Quran, i.e. the words of Allah.

Your views above are intellectually bankrupt and merely based on your own personal subjective views which are not grounded on any justification except from your damaged mental faculty.

All you do is to pick words and phrases from what I referenced without understanding the whole context of the Quran and insist your views are CORRECT when your mental faculty is suspect.

You insist that the WHOLE context of the quran is evil, violent, and immoral. Yet here we are 1500 years AFTER, with relatively almost ALL of the OVER 1.5 BILLION "muslims" relatively NOT being evil and NOT being violent. Whereas, I UNDERSTAND the WHOLE context of the quran is about PEACE and being PEACEFUL.

Islam is represented solely by the Quran which is comprised of 6236 verses and 77,449 words.
Then prove the Quran in its whole context in terms of 6236 verses 77,449 words is about PEACE and being PEACEFUL.

Obviously to be objective of what the Quran represent we have to analyse the main ethos, the meanings and intention of Allah as expressed in the 6236 verses 77,449 words.

I have stated 3400++ or 52% of the 6236 verses are anti-non_Muslims and condemned non-Muslims in the more horrendous, contemptuous, evil and violent ways.
There are no specific verses that override the above evil and violent ethos of Islam.
There are SOME good verses but they are only applicable if one is a Muslim.
If there are any verses that are good to non-Muslims they are abrogated by later verses.
So in the above context, how can you claim Islam as represented in the Quran is about PEACE and being PEACEFUL.

If you don't agree, provide your evidence and argument. Don't simply made unsubstantiated claims!

So, what is your explanation for WHY the HUGE majority of "muslims" ARE NOT doing what you say they SHOULD be doing?

As I had stated the majority of Muslims [est. 80%] do not comply fully with what is commanded by Allah in the Quran to act on non-Muslims i.e. commit terrible evil and violent acts.
This is because they are being more human than being more Islamic.
Human beings has evolved to be more empathetic and compassionate with an evolving moral function supported by MIRROR neurons and other functions.
In addition, many are not exposed to the true doctrines within the Quran which is not easy for the average person to understand.

Take the Nazi example.
Hitler came up with an evil ideology as represented in the Main Kempf.
Do you think 100% of all Germans then would have agreed with Hitler and do his bidding voluntarily?
No! it is only a group hardcore Nazis and a minority [say 20%] would readily agree with Hitler's ideology.

The principle would be the same for any evil ideology anywhere where only the hardcore and up to 20% of a large population of humans would agree to the evil ideology.

I have ALSO stated that absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer. This MEANS that the way you INTERPRET the quran, or any thing else for that matter, is RELATIVE to YOU.

Yes, I would likely interpret the Quran in my own way. This is not important.
What is important is what Allah intended for the meaning of each verse, chapter and the whole of Quran to be.
This can be objectively determined by analyzing the 6236 verses 77,449 words which I had done.
Then I will compare this objective interpretations to the expositions by reputable Islamic experts which I had done and confirmed to be true.

There are alternative interpretations to the so-called interpretations of the reputable Islamic experts by other Islamic scholars. However those who counter do not have sufficient grounds and evidence to justify their claims.

For example re 4:34 where Allah commanded wives can be beaten by their husband if the women disobeyed them. Those who countered will beat around the bush and insisted the beating is to be done with something like a twig or a gentle tap with one finger. What kind of crap is this?

As for the numerous verses in warring against non-Muslims, those who countered will insist these verses were only relevant in the 7th century. This counter is crap and not in the context of the whole ethos of Islam.

Also, once again, I just asked you FIVE clarifying questions, and NOT one of them is LOOKED AT and RESPONDED TO. Instead you go on about some thing else.

What I had avoided are your nonsensical questions, thus wasting my time.
Note I have responded to your above, now provide proper counter arguments to the above.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Yes I stated "Reputable people AGREE with you", i.e. reputable Islamic Scholars and notable Muslims agree with my view.

Note I quoted, Ibn Kathir, Izutsu, and there are many others I have read of.

• Ismail ibn Kathir ( c. 1300 – 1373) was a highly influential historian, exegete and scholar during the Mamluk era in Syria. An expert on tafsir (Quranic exegesis) and faqīh (jurisprudence), he wrote several books, including a fourteen-volume universal history.

There is a long list of famous Islamic Scholars and Imans I can quote who agree with my views.

I don't think you have ever researched into those notable Islamic scholars.

In any case, what is critical is the views of these notable Islamic scholars must aligned with what is in the Quran, i.e. the words of Allah.

Your views above are intellectually bankrupt and merely based on your own personal subjective views which are not grounded on any justification except from your damaged mental faculty.

All you do is to pick words and phrases from what I referenced without understanding the whole context of the Quran and insist your views are CORRECT when your mental faculty is suspect.

You insist that the WHOLE context of the quran is evil, violent, and immoral. Yet here we are 1500 years AFTER, with relatively almost ALL of the OVER 1.5 BILLION "muslims" relatively NOT being evil and NOT being violent. Whereas, I UNDERSTAND the WHOLE context of the quran is about PEACE and being PEACEFUL.

Islam is represented solely by the Quran which is comprised of 6236 verses and 77,449 words.
Then prove the Quran in its whole context in terms of 6236 verses 77,449 words is about PEACE and being PEACEFUL.

Obviously to be objective of what the Quran represent we have to analyse the main ethos, the meanings and intention of Allah as expressed in the 6236 verses 77,449 words.

I have stated 3400++ or 52% of the 6236 verses are anti-non_Muslims and condemned non-Muslims in the more horrendous, contemptuous, evil and violent ways.
There are no specific verses that override the above evil and violent ethos of Islam.
There are SOME good verses but they are only applicable if one is a Muslim.
If there are any verses that are good to non-Muslims they are abrogated by later verses.
So in the above context, how can you claim Islam as represented in the Quran is about PEACE and being PEACEFUL.

If you don't agree, provide your evidence and argument. Don't simply made unsubstantiated claims!

So, what is your explanation for WHY the HUGE majority of "muslims" ARE NOT doing what you say they SHOULD be doing?

As I had stated the majority of Muslims [est. 80%] do not comply fully with what is commanded by Allah in the Quran to act on non-Muslims i.e. commit terrible evil and violent acts.
This is because they are being more human than being more Islamic.
Human beings has evolved to be more empathetic and compassionate with an evolving moral function supported by MIRROR neurons and other functions.
In addition, many are not exposed to the true doctrines within the Quran which is not easy for the average person to understand.

Take the Nazi example.
Hitler came up with an evil ideology as represented in the Main Kempf.
Do you think 100% of all Germans then would have agreed with Hitler and do his bidding voluntarily?
No! it is only a group hardcore Nazis and a minority [say 20%] would readily agree with Hitler's ideology.

The principle would be the same for any evil ideology anywhere where only the hardcore and up to 20% of a large population of humans would agree to the evil ideology.

I have ALSO stated that absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer. This MEANS that the way you INTERPRET the quran, or any thing else for that matter, is RELATIVE to YOU.

Yes, I would likely interpret the Quran in my own way. This is not important.
What is important is what Allah intended for the meaning of each verse, chapter and the whole of Quran to be.
This can be objectively determined by analyzing the 6236 verses 77,449 words which I had done.
Then I will compare this objective interpretations to the expositions by reputable Islamic experts which I had done and confirmed to be true.

There are alternative interpretations to the so-called interpretations of the reputable Islamic experts by other Islamic scholars. However those who counter do not have sufficient grounds and evidence to justify their claims.

For example re 4:34 where Allah commanded wives can be beaten by their husband if the women disobeyed them. Those who countered will beat around the bush and insisted the beating is to be done with something like a twig or a gentle tap with one finger. What kind of crap is this?

As for the numerous verses in warring against non-Muslims, those who countered will insist these verses were only relevant in the 7th century. This counter is crap and not in the context of the whole ethos of Islam.

Also, once again, I just asked you FIVE clarifying questions, and NOT one of them is LOOKED AT and RESPONDED TO. Instead you go on about some thing else.

What I had avoided are your nonsensical questions, thus wasting my time.
Note I have responded to your above, now provide proper counter arguments to the above.

Nonsensical title aside, instead of posting thread after essentially identical thread banging on about how evil muslims are (sorry,'islam is'), why don't you continue the theme and say what you think should be done about it? It's all getting very boring and tedious.

[attofishpi]

Ya.. I just wish everyone that believes in the afterlife would mass suicide and fuckoff to it - we and the whole planet would be far better off.