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bahman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:54 pm
We are able to do so because the langauge is based on, words and sentences, which each points toward an abstract or real object.
We do so by means of feedback, circular imprecise feedback. We say something. Someone else says something that reveals that their understanding of what was intended is incorrect. We say something to clarify what was intended. Feedback continues until there is a workable level of understanding.
Me: “A”
You: “~~A” you understand approximately
Me: “A+“ I add clarifying information
You: “~A” you are closer to understanding
Me: “A++” more detail
You: “A” understanding via feedback
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:54 pm
We are able to do so because the langauge is based on, words and sentences, which each points toward an abstract or real object.
Circularity.
All words are circular in nature.
In progressing to further words these new words cycle back to the original.
Each word as applied by the subject to an object is a cycle, as this definition of the object becomes a loop within the observer's perception. This loop is the repetition of the word and image of the object (with this image/word being a cycle). Memory is the repition of events as a loop.
The loop between the word and object, through the subject, is repeated to further subjects as a loop thus the word becomes objective (ie given form, with this form occurring through a looping movement.).
Keep in mind the word "point" you use. It is not only necessitating a form of direction but a dynamic change that under lies language. When you "point" you are directing your assumptive capacity to something and are being imprinted (changing) through it.
The object as "the point" becomes that which you assume reality through without thought. So I may point to a bike on the road, assume it, and observe all bikes through the pattern of that bike. I may also observer further phenomenon, such as a cloud or wheel, through the pattern of that bike.
Thus each phenomenon we assume, acts as a pattern for assuming further phenomenon as well.
We assume through instrincially empty looping patterns and we are assumed by this. "Pointing" is the inversion of one pattern of assumptions to another, thus necessitates consciousness as grounded in isomorphism and as such is formless. This formless nature of consciousness is the unconscious, that which is passive and is imprinted by reality.
The repition of this inversion, or the projection of formless, is consciousness itself.
If the real meaning of any word was only circular then a word is pointing to itself.
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:54 pm
We are able to do so because the langauge is based on, words and sentences, which each points toward an abstract or real object.
We do so by means of feedback, circular imprecise feedback. We say something. Someone else says something that reveals that their understanding of what was intended is incorrect. We say something to clarify what was intended. Feedback continues until there is a workable level of understanding.
Me: “A”
You: “~~A” you understand approximately
Me: “A+“ I add clarifying information
You: “~A” you are closer to understanding
Me: “A++” more detail
You: “A” understanding via feedback
Well, A++ is the abstract object which I have in my mind.
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:54 pm
We are able to do so because the langauge is based on, words and sentences, which each points toward an abstract or real object.
We do so by means of feedback, circular imprecise feedback. We say something. Someone else says something that reveals that their understanding of what was intended is incorrect. We say something to clarify what was intended. Feedback continues until there is a workable level of understanding.
Me: “A”
You: “~~A” you understand approximately
Me: “A+“ I add clarifying information
You: “~A” you are closer to understanding
Me: “A++” more detail
You: “A” understanding via feedback
Well, A++ is the abstract object which I have in my mind.
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:54 pm
We are able to do so because the langauge is based on, words and sentences, which each points toward an abstract or real object.
Circularity.
All words are circular in nature.
In progressing to further words these new words cycle back to the original.
Each word as applied by the subject to an object is a cycle, as this definition of the object becomes a loop within the observer's perception. This loop is the repetition of the word and image of the object (with this image/word being a cycle). Memory is the repition of events as a loop.
The loop between the word and object, through the subject, is repeated to further subjects as a loop thus the word becomes objective (ie given form, with this form occurring through a looping movement.).
Keep in mind the word "point" you use. It is not only necessitating a form of direction but a dynamic change that under lies language. When you "point" you are directing your assumptive capacity to something and are being imprinted (changing) through it.
The object as "the point" becomes that which you assume reality through without thought. So I may point to a bike on the road, assume it, and observe all bikes through the pattern of that bike. I may also observer further phenomenon, such as a cloud or wheel, through the pattern of that bike.
Thus each phenomenon we assume, acts as a pattern for assuming further phenomenon as well.
We assume through instrincially empty looping patterns and we are assumed by this. "Pointing" is the inversion of one pattern of assumptions to another, thus necessitates consciousness as grounded in isomorphism and as such is formless. This formless nature of consciousness is the unconscious, that which is passive and is imprinted by reality.
The repition of this inversion, or the projection of formless, is consciousness itself.
If the real meaning of any word was only circular then a word is pointing to itself.
It does, we see this in the most basic principle of identity: P=P as ((P-->P)<-->(P<--P))
We assume forms and the most basic form is the circle. We assume definition primarily because of it...we just accept it as is.
In progressing to further words these new words cycle back to the original.
Each word as applied by the subject to an object is a cycle, as this definition of the object becomes a loop within the observer's perception. This loop is the repetition of the word and image of the object (with this image/word being a cycle). Memory is the repition of events as a loop.
The loop between the word and object, through the subject, is repeated to further subjects as a loop thus the word becomes objective (ie given form, with this form occurring through a looping movement.).
Keep in mind the word "point" you use. It is not only necessitating a form of direction but a dynamic change that under lies language. When you "point" you are directing your assumptive capacity to something and are being imprinted (changing) through it.
The object as "the point" becomes that which you assume reality through without thought. So I may point to a bike on the road, assume it, and observe all bikes through the pattern of that bike. I may also observer further phenomenon, such as a cloud or wheel, through the pattern of that bike.
Thus each phenomenon we assume, acts as a pattern for assuming further phenomenon as well.
We assume through instrincially empty looping patterns and we are assumed by this. "Pointing" is the inversion of one pattern of assumptions to another, thus necessitates consciousness as grounded in isomorphism and as such is formless. This formless nature of consciousness is the unconscious, that which is passive and is imprinted by reality.
The repition of this inversion, or the projection of formless, is consciousness itself.
If the real meaning of any word was only circular then a word is pointing to itself.
It does, we see this in the most basic principle of identity: P=P as ((P-->P)<-->(P<--P))
We assume forms and the most basic form is the circle. We assume definition primarily because of it...we just accept it as is.
You cannot have a meaningful definition if any word points to itself.
