Let's talk about GOD!!

[Nick_A]

I tried to explain it on a previous post but you rejected it then so will again

I didn't "reject" it. I made no comment on it at all.

You passed the buck in the same way atheists and secularists must. You are part of what has become normal

[henry quirk]

I tried to explain it on a previous post but you rejected it then so will again

I didn't "reject" it. I made no comment on it at all.

You passed the buck in the same way atheists and secularists must. You are part of what has become normal

Nick, you're seriously calling' Mannie an atheist/secularist?

An aside: this is why commies and the like get ahead. Those sumbitches don't make enemies among their own. Our side (on which I count Mannie & Nick & Walker and a few others) has the unfortunate habit of resortin' to 'purity tests' ('we agree on most things, yeah, but this one thing where we disagree? well, that's a goddamned deal breaker!'). It's dumbassedness like that that distracts 'us' and let's the commies traipse in, drop trou, and crap on everything.

[gaffo]

I.C. You go first.

I started the thread

All who are interested in this subject are welcome to join in the discussion.

Have fun, even if that means playing this chess board game like a pigeon. Everything is welcome, nothing is rejected.

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I don't know the mind of God- being a being infinately lower than God (assuming His is - i'm an atheist).

I'll let others that know the mind of God, being of a higher nature than me to talk about His nature.

[Nick_A]

I didn't "reject" it. I made no comment on it at all.

You passed the buck in the same way atheists and secularists must. You are part of what has become normal

Nick, you're seriously calling' Mannie an atheist/secularist?

An aside: this is why commies and the like get ahead. Those sumbitches don't make enemies among their own. Our side (on which I count Mannie & Nick & Walker and a few others) has the unfortunate habit of resortin' to 'purity tests' ('we agree on most things, yeah, but this one thing where we disagree? well, that's a goddamned deal breaker!'). It's dumbassedness like that that distracts 'us' and let's the commies traipse in, drop trou, and crap on everything.

No, I'm just referring to how the atheists and believers both appear to emotionally reject the ineffable God. Atheists don't believe in God so create their own reality while believers in a personal God reject the ineffable source of our universe and prefer to allow a personal God define morality. I'm on the side of the minority who are now and have in the past introduced "awakening" into society and attracted individuals to explore the reality of the fallen human condition: what we ARE in comparison to the conscious potential for human "being."

Of course the idea is condemned. It must be to preserve the illusions created by the fallen human condition.

We are entering fascinating times in which the reality of our conscious universe and its ineffable source will begin to become more evident. Of course it will be denied from all secular sides and people will needlessly die over arguments raised by it.

And we call ourselves an intelligent species.

[henry quirk]

Indeed, and the enemy is not 'us'.

[Dontaskme]

God is simultaneously one and three. I appreciate meeting all those who have come to experience how this is possible.

Only a triune God is self-existent.

Humans are in the dream to be the eyes of manifestation.

The world is not round it is a triangle.

You don't have to agree with anything I post IC.. I'm just throwing stuff out-there. We are of a maturity you and I to just run with the ball and have some fun doing it. I've come to respect you IC after all this time.

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[Dontaskme]

I.C

I think i know why you see God as a HE

And that is...?

But I'll tell you the answer. It's very straightforward.

The Biblical God is revealed, both in Torah and by Jesus Christ Himself, as "He," and as "God the Father." Male predications and pronouns are associated with Him throughout the Bible, in fact. There are a few feminine predications made of God, like "as a hen gathers her chicks," with reference to how God seeks to embrace Israel, and other nurturing imagery of this kind, which shows that God does not despise the feminine achievements. But personally, God is always associated with the masculine, the powerful, the energetic, the generative, and the stronger position relative to the human race and to Israel, which is almost always associated with feminine imagery.

And this makes sense -- at least if you're prepared to consider the idea of God at all. Biblically, God is the initiator, the powerful One, the ruler, the Generator of all things. Human creativity, by contrast is less powerful, derivative, responsive, and feminine. Israel is feminine. The Church is feminine. The human race's position, relative to God, is feminine. The soul is feminine.

Gender is a theological issue. The value of both genders is Scripturally taught. But gender-parity or gender-equivalency are not. And God, for reasons He alone can fully explain, chooses to associate Himself with the imagery of the masculine, not the feminine.

So to get this wrong is to fail to know God on one of the fundamental terms He has chosen. It's to defy His reality. It's also to deny one's own essential nature, respective to God. It's to be wrong, and wrong in the most important kind of way.

It's to get both our role and His wrong.

Thank you, and I totally get what you have said in the context of which you have delivered your own unique understanding. Very beautifully said bye the way, and is why I enjoy reading your comments. You as an author/writer of the story of God is very talented in that you are able to write in such an impeccapable manner regarding a very sensitive subject known as God.
Thanks for all you do. I will say same about anyone else as well, this is not about glorifying people, it's about glorifying the message as being reader friendly and easy to comprehend. What I have personally discovered about the truth of our being is that we all know it when we see it, whether it's within our own being as this immediate presentation or is projected in another form appearing to be out-there as a symbolic representation of it...if that makes sense!

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[Dontaskme]

I'm on the side of the minority who are now and have in the past introduced "awakening" into society and attracted individuals to explore the reality of the fallen human condition: what we ARE in comparison to the conscious potential for human "being."

Awakening means they'll be no conscious potential for human being, because awakening is the collapse of the personal mind into unity with God in his kingdom only his will be done on earth as it is in heaven aka earth.
There is No thing in reality trying to make a perfect species potentially. Potential is just this ever unfolding of creative potential impersonal being actualised. God doesn't have a discriminating mind, do you think he could discriminate anything if he had a mind to do so? It's all God.

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[Immanuel Can]

Very beautifully said bye the way, and is why I enjoy reading your comments. You as an author/writer of the story of God is very talented in that you are able to write in such an impeccapable manner regarding a very sensitive subject known as God.

I write what I believe, D. And I try not to misspeak. That's all. But thanks.

What's more important is this: are we, as human beings, as souls, as contingent beings in the presence of the Necessary One, willing to take a role subordinate to God, or will we insist on being the creators, the initiators, the lords ourselves. That's what it comes down to.

[Nick_A]

I'm on the side of the minority who are now and have in the past introduced "awakening" into society and attracted individuals to explore the reality of the fallen human condition: what we ARE in comparison to the conscious potential for human "being."

Awakening means they'll be no conscious potential for human being, because awakening is the collapse of the personal mind into unity with God in his kingdom only his will be done on earth as it is in heaven aka earth.
There is No thing in reality trying to make a perfect species potentially. Potential is just this ever unfolding of creative potential impersonal being actualised. God doesn't have a discriminating mind, do you think he could discriminate anything if he had a mind to do so? It's all God.

We begin with different premises. Where you believe that the only reality is God I believe in the relativity of being sustained by the complimentary living processes of involution and evolution. From this perspective Man can awaken and evolve beginning with rebirth to become a son of God within creation. From the Gospel of Thomas

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty.

A son of God is not the living father but in the image of the father. But without the reality of the relativity of being which enables Man's conscious evolution, religion has no meaning and purpose other than to serve the delusions of the Great Beast.

[Immanuel Can]

Nick, you're seriously calling' Mannie an atheist/secularist?

Got to admit...that's a new one. I ain't never seen that one 'afore.

[Dontaskme]

We begin with different premises. Where you believe that the only reality is God I believe in the relativity of being sustained by the complimentary living processes of involution and evolution. From this perspective Man can awaken and evolve beginning with rebirth to become a son of God within creation. From the Gospel of Thomas

From the Advaita Vedanta perspective /premise - that which appears to awaken never awoke. In other words: when the consciousness aka spirit animating as and through the body vehicle named man transcends the illusion of separation from the named one to the nameless one, it is seen auspiciously that there never was a separate self to awaken; in that there is only ENLIGHTENEMENT in every moment.In that you are already enlightened, free. Nothing ever sleeps, so nothing to awaken from. Nothing is asleep, everything is wide awake, like the sun and the moon, they don't sleep. So even when you think you are sleeping, the body is still working and functioning all by itself without any ''self'' being present or aware of that functioning. You are awareness that never sleeps, because even when you think you are asleep there is always an awareness there present that will inform you that you that you've been asleep albeit illusory sleep. Sleep or Death is the mind in a state of abeyance that's all. Nothing is born or alive, asleep or awake, these are just conceptual constructs within the dream state no thing is having...aka the story of myself.
So what does it matter that we have differences in how we see GOD? we both believe don't we?

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty.

I agree with that.

A son of God is not the living father but in the image of the father. But without the reality of the relativity of being which enables Man's conscious evolution, religion has no meaning and purpose other than to serve the delusions of the Great Beast.

I do get what you are saying Nick, I have no problems with how you want to express the God of your own understanding, but when I say no to something you've said, it's only because what you've said is not how I'm seeing it here, that's all, it doesn't mean what you've said to me is a wrong from your premise, because you will only see things from your own first hand account direct experience.

So for me, to know the good is know the opposite in the same instant, the bad beast refers to the ego, the sense of separation, the selfish one. And the good refers to the selfless one, the one who knows he / she is being carried by life itself and trusts only in that one. To trust is to let go of irrational fears and be with the one who brought me here, for that one will take me home.
I AM always home.


Depicted here> ''Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. - Psalm 23:4.''

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[attofishpi]

You stated something (God) IS self-existent - because it is 'triune'. To me, that implies you have a comprehension of this entity via physics - beyond a philosophical comprehension of it.

I was speaking logically. I was speaking of the problem identified by Eastern thinkers, with the idea of singular monotheism.

Hinduism, for example, believes in the co-eternal necessity of the physical world, plus the divine entity. Neither is dispensable, because the absence of one would create an eternal singularness, with no distinction. There would be an "I" with no "Thou," which means there would also be no "I," because all would be "I" -- thus it would be impossible to speak of anything existing.

However, the idea of an eternal physical world is observably, empirically untrue. The Second Law of Thermodynamics conclusively demonstrates this. So does the Red Shift effect. So does everyday observation, as we can see that our universe is not accumulating order, but losing it; and that the parameters a matter-preserving (let alone a life-preserving) universe are exceedingly narrow. So we know the physical world is contingent and temporary, not necessary and eternal. The Eastern mystics are simply wrong about that. But we can't blame them: they didn't have science, and they didn't know.

What did seem obvious to them, and what they were smart enough to figure out, was that if the universe were made of all-one-thing then nothing would "exist." Nothing would be distinguishable from any other thing, and nothing would have boundaries, borders, substance or identity. So they invented this explanation: the world is maya, illusion. The transcendent divine is ultimate reality. But maya and the eternal transcendent must co-exist forever, or both are eliminated.

If God were merely "one," then, God would not exist. Nothing else would either. All would be an indistinguishable mass.

But what if God had, inherent to His nature, the "I" and the "Thou"? The "this" and the "that." And both without necessity of a "world." Then God could eternally exist, and the world would be a merely contingent entity.

And that is exactly what we observe. We live in a contingent, temporary universe. What's more, we lack a reasonable explanation for the existence of this universe, and know of no Cause sufficient to have produced it -- except God.

Thus, multiplicity, or triunity, we should say, is an inherent feature of God -- because God alone is eternally self-existent.

If you KNOW God exists, please provide 5 attributes that you have reasonably confirmed about God's nature.

What will you accept as, to use your words, "reasonable confirmation"?

If nothing is "reasonable confirmation," then the task is hopeless...not because it's intrinsically so, but because the recipient will not accept anything as evidence. If something is "reasonable confirmation," and if you'll accept it, I'll provide something.

I'm not asking for evidence, simply the attributes you have confirmed for yourself regarding this entity, God. 5 please

Well, I have already pointed to paternity and triunity. And I have explained my basis for belief in both, if you've been reading this message and the ones before. Are you accepting those, to begin with? Or would you insist that you want some further proof of those?

If you are not yet convinced, then what "proof" would you accept? Let's say, jus for those two...

What PROOF!!!

You got nuffin by way of proof.

Where is this 'triune' observable in physics? The reason things exist according thus far in physics is because 'matter' and 'anti-matter' happen to decay at different rates, thus not annihilating each other.

[Dontaskme]

I write what I believe, D. And I try not to misspeak.

Same here, although personally, I don't quite match the caliber that is your sound literate explanations. You do possess a very broad vocabulary which is fluent and precise. I think people are often jealous of you. I tend to misspeak a lot and I am aware that I often speak like a child would, but I'm honest and admit that. I'm very simple minded. I can enjoy an argument and get down and dirty; yet my heart is always in the right place.

It's not that I intend to make a guru of you, because I don't. I already know in what vein you speak from, because in my opinion we are all just walking each other home. The thing is, I've always resonated with your posts, I read them you know! even though we have not been verbally interacting with each other in a long time, I still read most of your posts because I find them very well spoken and very interesting and insightful. I like how you always keep your cool under such scrutiny, and you never belittle people, which I find admirable. You are just honest, and I want you to know that does not go unnoticed. People reading will make their own judgments about what you say. The truth sayers will always attract opposition but those with ears and eyes will see.

What's more important is this: are we, as human beings, as souls, as contingent beings in the presence of the Necessary One, willing to take a role subordinate to God, or will we insist on being the creators, the initiators, the lords ourselves. That's what it comes down to.

This is a good point IC

I think we have to die before we can do that..don't you agree? but who wants to die? what you say?



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[Dontaskme]

What PROOF!!!

Does attofishpi believe in GOD?