Man Invented Religions in search of the Imperishable.

[Dontaskme]

Nothing sacred can come from anything unsacred.

That which is created by the mind is perishable.

Nothing perishable can come from anything Imperishable.

"The integers were made by God; all else is the work of man."
- Leopold Kronecker

[surreptitious57]

Man had to invent religion in order to overcome his irrational fear of death
God could therefore not have created the integers if man had invented him

[HexHammer]

Not quite, jewish prophets had to prove themselves else they get stoned, they were the direct voice of god.

[Dontaskme]

Man had to invent religion in order to overcome his irrational fear of death
God could therefore not have created the integers if man had invented him

But it was the man that was invented as and through knowledge. No thing is known to exist without knowledge. The Irony here is that what you are already exists prior to knowledge, so what is knowledge and where does it come from? It comes from the blank slate you already ARE...knowledge informs the illusory nature of the separate I

When the blank slate was given a face aka a name, all hell broke loose because in reality, I the blank slate have no image of myself, no man can ever see his face and live because he will associate only with a mirage/reflection.

''The secret of enlightenment is when you are hungry, eat; and when you are tired, sleep. The Zen Master warns: “If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him!” This admonition points up that no meaning that comes from outside of ourselves is real. The Buddhahood of each of us has already been obtained.''


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[Age]

Man had to invent religion in order to overcome his irrational fear of death

Is this an actual fact, or just what you think is true?

God could therefore not have created the integers if man had invented him

[Sculptor]

Nothing sacred can come from anything unsacred.

That which is created by the mind is perishable.

Nothing perishable can come from anything Imperishable.

"The integers were made by God; all else is the work of man."
- Leopold Kronecker

I completely disagree with all four statements.

1)Anything can be "sacred", it all depends on what set of delusions you like to work with. and as all things are originally "natural", humans can pretty much choose to make stuff scared as they please. Humans devised the category, and can place in that category anything that suits them.

2) Sacredness is created by the mind. All sacred things (ideas, and objects) are perishable; without exception.

3) The next statement is empty since nothing is imperishable, so meaningless.

4) Integers are SO OBVIOUSLY a human conceit, one has to wonder who the hell Kronecker thinks he is and WTF is on his mind. He has the rather dubious quality of having a grand sounding name. This gives him an unwarranted and undeserved kudos.

[Dontaskme]

I completely disagree with all four statements.

Ok

1)Anything can be "sacred", it all depends on what set of delusions you like to work with. and as all things are originally "natural", humans can pretty much choose to make stuff scared as they please. Humans devised the category, and can place in that category anything that suits them.

Yeah like the notion people have a mind.

So are we not allowed to use the word sacred then ? ...but we are allowed to use the word mind? is that word ok but other words are not?

2) Sacredness is created by the mind. All sacred things (ideas, and objects) are perishable; without exception.

While all thought things are perishable, what about the mind? is that perishable, and more to the point what is the mind? you say things are created by the mind..but what is mind that creates the perishable?

3) The next statement is empty since nothing is imperishable, so meaningless.

Ok

4) Integers are SO OBVIOUSLY a human conceit,

That doesn't make sense.

one has to wonder who the hell Kronecker thinks he is and WTF is on his mind.

So are you saying that a person has a mind? or would it be more accurate to say a person is a construct of the mind?

He has the rather dubious quality of having a grand sounding name. This gives him an unwarranted and undeserved kudos.

Well that's just totally irrelevant to this discussion. But if you enjoy making meaningless comments then so be it.

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[Sculptor]

I completely disagree with all four statements.

Ok

1)Anything can be "sacred", it all depends on what set of delusions you like to work with. and as all things are originally "natural", humans can pretty much choose to make stuff scared as they please. Humans devised the category, and can place in that category anything that suits them.

Yeah like the notion people have a mind.

So are we not allowed to use the word sacred then ? .

Seriously bro - It's like you can't even read.
I'm not putting restrictions on the use of "sacred" - YOU ARE.
Sacred is what you make of it. The proof is all about the place. One man's sacred is another man's profane and vice versa.

..but we are allowed to use the word mind? is that word ok but other words are not?

2) Sacredness is created by the mind. All sacred things (ideas, and objects) are perishable; without exception.

While all thought things are perishable, what about the mind? is that perishable, and more to the point what is the mind? you say things are created by the mind..but what is mind that creates the perishable?

Yes, everything is perishable. especially the mind. Just ask Socrates or Jesus, or anyone else who is dead, and see what they say.

3) The next statement is empty since nothing is imperishable, so meaningless.

Ok

4) Integers are SO OBVIOUSLY a human conceit,

That doesn't make sense.

Simple enough. There are no integers in nature. Humans invented maths to help us describe the universe. A human "conceit", conceived my man. Simple enough.

one has to wonder who the hell Kronecker thinks he is and WTF is on his mind.

So are you saying that a person has a mind? or would it be more accurate to say a person is a construct of the mind?

I'm sensing you have a problem here, but are failing to articulate it.

He has the rather dubious quality of having a grand sounding name. This gives him an unwarranted and undeserved kudos.

Well that's just totally irrelevant to this discussion. But if you enjoy making meaningless comments then so be it.

Since you made four meaningless comments, I thought you'd enjoy one from me.

[Sculptor]

Not quite, jewish prophets had to prove themselves else they get stoned, they were the direct voice of god.

We all like to get stoned from time to time, but what has that got to do with religion?
Oh wait. I suppose you have to be pretty stoned to believe that stuff.

[Nick_A]

Man made religion or interpretations of universal reality are the result of the fallen human condition. The problem is that it is a taboo subject and cannot be discussed seriously or sincerely anywhere in which secular interpretations dominate. Attempts to do so lead to disruption and disturbance of the peace. Killing influential people who reveal the human condition is easily justified. Consequently it will only be small minority open to make the necessary efforts to distinguish fantasy from reality.

Since we are as we are, everything continues and essentially remains as it is

[Dontaskme]

Seriously bro - It's like you can't even read.
I'm not putting restrictions on the use of "sacred" - YOU ARE.
Sacred is what you make of it. The proof is all about the place. One man's sacred is another man's profane and vice versa.

Ok I get the idea now.

So are you saying that a person has a mind? or would it be more accurate to say a person is a construct of the mind?

I'm sensing you have a problem here, but are failing to articulate it.

I'm sensing you are having a problem answering the question - are you unable to articulate an answer to my question..yes or no?

[Dontaskme]

Not quite, jewish prophets had to prove themselves else they get stoned, they were the direct voice of god.

We all like to get stoned from time to time, but what has that got to do with religion?
Oh wait. I suppose you have to be pretty stoned to believe that stuff.

There's lots and lots of things in this video that have a lot to do with getting stoned and religion ...but I doubt your attention span would even be bothered to bother with it. Constant Research is the key to understanding how the mind works, experiential evidence is your only realisation to anything you personally want to know about your own psychological self.
Don't knock other peoples experiences until they have become your own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tETZpw7sX98&t=177s
Dissecting DMT Who Are The DMT Entities?


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[Dontaskme]

Man made religion or interpretations of universal reality are the result of the fallen human condition. The problem is that it is a taboo subject and cannot be discussed seriously or sincerely anywhere in which secular interpretations dominate. Attempts to do so lead to disruption and disturbance of the peace. Killing influential people who reveal the human condition is easily justified. Consequently it will only be small minority open to make the necessary efforts to distinguish fantasy from reality.

Since we are as we are, everything continues and essentially remains as it is

Nick just say it how it is to you experientially, it doesn't matter that this kind of knowledge is incapable of being taken seriously, humans are doubters of anything they have not personally experienced or of which they have no knowledge of. Notice people all over the internet now on youtube are talking about this subject, so it's not like it really is a big taboo subject anymore is it?

Nick, one question..don't you think it odd that humans seem to be the only living species that know they have been born and that one day they will die?

Or can you think of some other creature on the earth that knows it has been born and that one day it will die?

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[Nick_A]

Man made religion or interpretations of universal reality are the result of the fallen human condition. The problem is that it is a taboo subject and cannot be discussed seriously or sincerely anywhere in which secular interpretations dominate. Attempts to do so lead to disruption and disturbance of the peace. Killing influential people who reveal the human condition is easily justified. Consequently it will only be small minority open to make the necessary efforts to distinguish fantasy from reality.

Since we are as we are, everything continues and essentially remains as it is

Nick just say it how it is to you experientially, it doesn't matter that this kind of knowledge is incapable of being taken seriously, humans are doubters of anything they have not personally experienced or of which they have no knowledge of. Notice people all over the internet now on youtube are talking about this subject, so it's not like it really is a big taboo subject anymore is it?

Nick, one question..don't you think it odd that humans seem to be the only living species that know they have been born and that one day they will die?

Or can you think of some other creature on the earth that knows it has been born and that one day it will die?

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Don’t think I’m being critical. I look at this with my chess player’s mind. I strive to understand the logic of the position The same things have always been said. That isn’t the point. The reality is that the fallen human condition denies the ability to reason consciously as a human being. The world struggles against it as I’ve verified both IRL and online. A seeker of truth must begin by opening to what a human being is. But it is offensive to begin at the beginning so most invent all sorts rationalizations to compensate for the absurdity of the human condition.

You ask if I believe it is odd that man is the only creature knowing it will die. It isn’t odd for anyone who understands as Plato pointed out that we are dual natured. Our collective soul or essence has a higher part which descended from and a lower animal part arising from the earth as does the rest of organic life. The higher part is capable of consciousness and the awareness of life and death in the lower part.

There are levels of religious teachings. The highest is an esoteric school. It teaches what is necessary “to be.” The lowest expression of religion tells you what to do to impress a personal God.

What most do is argue opinions but there are a minority open to learn how to “understand” rather than argue opinions. They are as necessary for the survival of humanity as much as the world must hate them. They begin with the understanding what Socrates introduced when he said "I know nothing." This is the last thing experts want to hear which is why Socrates had to be killed. What Socrates said is intolerable Yet this minority recogizing the reality of the expression is willing to start with a clean slate in the effort to "understand"rather than argue opinions

[Sculptor]

Seriously bro - It's like you can't even read.
I'm not putting restrictions on the use of "sacred" - YOU ARE.
Sacred is what you make of it. The proof is all about the place. One man's sacred is another man's profane and vice versa.

Ok I get the idea now.

So are you saying that a person has a mind? or would it be more accurate to say a person is a construct of the mind?

I'm sensing you have a problem here, but are failing to articulate it.

I'm sensing you are having a problem answering the question - are you unable to articulate an answer to my question..yes or no?

You question is not relevant. Can we talk about mind? Sure we do that all the time. We also talk about sacredness.
What's your point?