tazanastazio wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:50 pm
One thing is absolutely certain. The Infinite is the reason for all existence and all phenomena within the Infinite.
This theory / philosophy is called Infinitism; the theory / philosophy of the Infinite.
There is a lovely phrase used by scientists to point to false answers, that are so bad they do not begin to address issues being not at all relevant to the problem.
So it would be something like.
How do planets revolve around the Sun. Answer because Mars is the God of War.
The lovely phrase is "NOT EVEN WRONG".
"The Infinite" is not a reason for anything. Making a reason is not even wrong.
Duly noted Sculptor, I'll edit as follows: One thing is absolutely certain: the Infinite is the reason for all phenomena and the source of every existence within the Infinite." As in: without the Infinite, nothing else would be.
Opening statement which was omitted due to lack of space:
[Statement: These are my OWN theories. Some are right, some are wrong, for others it is still unknown or debatable. As time goes by, I'll be researching the subject and make the necessary "purging." This is not a scientific writing based on extensive research! This is the work of a PHILOSOPHER! I find it challenging to conceive an idea and form a theory, before I read about it somewhere or learn about it. To conceive an idea and put my name on it before someone else does, and form a theory that it would be later proven true, that would be a bonus! There is risk to that as it is evident from some colorful responses I sometimes get from aficionados of science and virtuosos! But somehow like this, PHILOSOPHERS grasped with their imaginations GREAT IDEAS, upon which scientists built, and others learned! FEEL FREE TO CONTRIBUTE !]
Paragraphs 19, 20 which were omitted due to lack of space:
[To suppose that in the vastness of the Infinite where everything is possible, an exact replica of our own universe existed, we would have to assume that in that universe every chain reaction from its beginning to the given point of comparison to our own, was exactly the same for every factor; even if seemingly insignificant, which factor would otherwise bring forth a difference between the two universes. But each of the two universes would have also been affected by infinite chains of actions and reactions, which would have led to the formation of said two universes; which chains of actions and reactions, would also have to be exactly the same in order for the two universes to be exactly the same replica of each other, and so on. Continuing that process of reasoning we would deduce that to have an exact replica universe we would have to have such a phenomenon of exact replication which would have to reach an INFINITE degree. That would mean replicated infinities! Therefore two exactly the same universes where a person could find the exact replica of himself, and travel in that universe's time frame, are an impossibility. Even if we allow for the concept of exact replicated infinities in order to consider the possibilities of this version of time-travel, said person would have to be able to find the exact replica of his planet within the exact replica of his universe, among the infinite choices within the infinite, and travel to the exact point in time of his choice, since the formation of said universe, in order to travel from that point in time of that universe, to a specific time in the past or the future. That would be the only way to travel in time and as already stated, this version of time-travel is also non-existent; simply because there cannot be replicated infinities; let alone for every individual existence, travelling around between replicated universes, causing chain/action-reaction changes of the future, even if infinitely minute.
The only way that dimensional time could exist, in order for time-travel to be possible, would be if we would consider infinite possible futures within infinite EXACTLY THE SAME UNIVERSES. These universes would have to have infinite minute differences to cover the changes occurring by the different course of action an individual existence would have taken and the infinitely spanning effect of those actions to other existences and circumstances.We would be affected in turn, by such infinite circumstances and by the effect of such infinite existences to an infinite minute level even, as we are presently affected unbeknownst to ourselves and the people of our environment, the infinite possibilities of which, it would have taken an infinity of replicated infinities to cover. That would be the only way to have dimensional time, with dimensional past and present, and a dimensional future (one out of the infinite available PER INDIVIDUAL EXISTENCE of an infinite number of universes); through which infinite futures, unbeknownst to ourselves and the people of our environment, we were passing to (from one in a given infinite fraction of a moment, to another one out of the infinite alternatives). Which one preexisting/predetermined future would be chosen out of the infinite choices would depend to minute details, infinite minute effects even, within the course of our daily life. As it has already, and repeatedly, been stated though, such exact replica universes are an impossibility because such a phenomenon would also imply replicated infinities, with only infinitely minute differences. What would the point of such infinite futures be, if that was even a possibility, other than to satisfy the fans of sci-fi fiction? And while there indeed exist infinite infinities within the Infinite; THE INFINITE IN ITSELF IS NOT REPLICATED! ]
Is it really foolish to say there is no God? What is God other than the Infinite? Why would it matter for the Infinite whether you believe in it or not? Does the Infinite truly exist? To say "to exist" doesn't it mean to have a beginning and an end, to be finite? Doesn't the infinite include all existence and phenomena, and isn't the Infinite the reason for all phenomena and the source of every existence? What is the Infinite? What is God? Does it have a conscious; does the Infinite have a "Me" as Victor Hugo put it when he stated in his novel, Les Miserables: " The infinite exists. It is there. If the infinite had no me, the me would be its limit; it would not be the infinite; in other words, it would not be. But it is. Then it has a Me. This Me of the infinite is God."
Well it matters for humanity. Imagine billions of people (young children excluded), believing that this is all there is to it. That because of their primordial necessity for existence, self interest, and recognizing their finality, they had to blindly and wholeheartedly obey the emerging property of self-interest, selfishness; and achieve self satisfaction AT ALL COSTS! Welcome to the APOCALYPSE! It is a finite world after all, and it has to have some rules; conscience and consequences for those who choose or contemplate not to play by them. Draw your own conclusions. The Infinite is all inclusive, and all derives from it and all is directed to it, in an eternal, endless, infinite cycle of events.
Sure we cannot have perfection, ONLY THE INFINITE IS PERFECT; PERFECTLY INFINITE FROM EVER PERSPECTIVE! But we can counterbalance negativity with positivity! Certainly ALL religions have major flaws, some more than others; some are evil and disastrous to society no doubt whatsoever! But completely and utterly without any faith at all (assuming that that was possible) we would have a MAD-MAX movie, type of chaos on Earth! What self-destructive force (or otherwise), what insanity, what downright FOOLISHNESS would advocate for that... That is why nature gave humanity consciousness, along with thought: and IT TOOK AN INIFINITE INTELLIGENCE TO DESIGN IT. It didn't just pop up on its own; that too was an emerging property, an outcome of evolution. But who or what started evolution and intervened in it? Same phenomenon that started and intervened in everything else, the Infinite phenomenon.
Yet, even the need to have a "Me" for the Infinite, as Victor Hugo claimed in his novel, would in itself consist a limit. The concept of "God", a human concept in itself, is a limit in itself. Throughout the history of humanity, many gods, proclaimed their presence, and many were created out of the human need to provide solutions and appease and alleviate emotions, which are part of human nature and evolved as means to sustain it against the presence of any form of negativity. The emotion of fear for example, useful to avert danger, together with the realization of the limit of existence, needed to find a resolution in a form of an after-death existence, provided by a loving supreme being.
In terms of religious point of view, there is that of the Atheist, who believes that there is no such a thing as God; the Agnostic who does not hold for an opinion or against; the Theist, who believes that there is definitely a God; and the Infinitist who considers all concepts and acknowledges that, being that all concepts are included within the Infinite, they convey an understanding, whether interpreted or extrapolated, figuratively or literally. If the burden of proof falls on the Theist to prove the existence of God, doesn't the burden of disproof of the existence of God, fall on the Atheist? Doesn't the Atheist have to prove what the source of all existence and phenomena is, if it is not God?
But what characteristics does humanity attribute to a god? Certainly the concept of superior beings with finite however needs, could apply to some entity or organization of entities who visited occasionally another planet; or some superior civilization colonizing a technologically inferior one. Or organizations within civilizations which fabricate stories, and by taking advantage of the needs and feelings of the people, establish an hierarchy of power over them and control them; by propagandizing the idea that riches and possessions of goods lead to a Hell (or belong to the elect of god), whereas sharing of goods, poverty, or struggling to make ends meet, lead to Heaven; being proud of your abilities and intelligence are faults, whereas meekness and humbleness are blessings; entertainment is a sin, whereas asceticism is a virtue. Surely if the masses have no riches; if they are powerless, and they demand less; if they are too humble to seek to acquire knowledge and ability; then they are sheep and therefore easy to control.
If there is one educational aspect that should not be neglected from a young age, that is that our feelings are means to be put to good use when needed, and that we should be in control over them; that feelings are substances in our brains with neurological and biological effects to ourselves; our feelings and thoughts affect one the other and bring in turn positive or negative effects to both ourselves and society. Our feelings and thoughts are also affected by outside influence, which in turn generate a chain of conscious and subconscious associations, which result to actions which bring reactions, which in turn bring about a series of events, with, in many cases, long lasting and even historic outcomes. Our thoughts and feelings affect us both psychologically and biologically (toxins or lack of, hormonal effect, the well being or disease of our very cells). People from young age, should learn to control their feelings as opposed to resolve in brain numbing, addictive and harmful medications (more toxins for the liver to deal with). Even when confronting disease, it is best to do with as much less negativity as possible. Exercise, keep the body and the mind as strong and healthy as possible, keep positive feelings to the maximum, negative to the minimum to fight off disease; by supporting your health with the right nutrition (vitamins if nutrients are not adequate); by keeping off of any unnecessary and especially harmful chemicals, or harmful medical procedures; which produce no other result but more stress and more defects to our immune system and the well being of every healthy cells available, and which exasperate the body, and bring about a disease that may have otherwise occurred much later in life, or have never occurred till a ripe old age altogether. Keep off anything that stresses you up, any bad news and negativity that you could do nothing about, if it stresses you up to a point of disease, or the worsening of the ailment. If you need to counterbalance negativity, then surely the less of it you come up against, the better. When you do come up against unavoidable negativity, try to deal with it by let it affect you as less as possible. People have been channeling negativity away for centuries, through prayer to a positive force within the Infinite in which they believed; exercised or meditated. If any of that produces a sigh of relief, a positive alleviating feeling, by all means, do it. Live your life to the fullest, making the best of every situation, avoid hurting anyone's feelings directly or otherwise; if you cannot make a situation better, don't make it worse. In life everything we do will bring outcome/outcomes of various proportions and will affect us and our loved ones to some degree through an action - reaction, ripple effect.
When we under the control of our feelings, instead of our feelings being under our control, when we are possessed by fear and panic, when we are addicted to act in ways that could have dire and even catastrophic results; it would be, figuratively speaking, as if we were controlled and tortured by daemons. A person sees a skull of a goat, ugly thing that it is, and scary enough to engage the minds of the curious, and associates it with the devil. He then can use it as a means to inflict fear in the hearts of the unfaithful; some of which in order to appease the devil, because they are afraid of him, they form a religious sect; another religion is formed. You, seeing the image at some point in your life, and being a little over-stressed and worried not to loose your job, wake up in the middle of the night because your subconscious has associated the image of the skull of the goat, with a distorted similar shape in your dream; you just had a nightmare, say a prayer to calm down or get over it. Seriously, if indeed there are superior beings spying over the Earth, don't they have anything better to do in the whole galaxy, or clusters of them? Do they need to torture us for entertainment?
Certainly in their strife to control by means of establishing yet another correct dogma, the creators of religions lack originality.The story of Hercules, Dionysus, Buddha, Krishna, Christ and others... (please pardon me if I don't want to enrage the fanatics), all bear similarities. And certainly I am not to blame if Eve gave the apple to Adam and he ate it. And if God was to ask anyone nowadays to burn their child for sacrifice, they should seek help immediately. The Infinite would not need to send prophets and messengers, bring a flood and pestilence to make a point, sacrifice infants, and take a people to a 40 year maze of a tour in the desert; neither would it demand for people to perform their ablutions prior to their leader receiving plates with living guidelines, or appear in the sky in something that would resemble a futuristic spacecraft, or have angels sing while they repeatedly ascend and descend a sky-reaching ladder, or pick up one of its prophets in a flying chariot for effect.
The Earth is not even a drop in an infinite ocean of an infinite number of oceans. If the whole universe was to blow up tomorrow, at the same time others would form, let alone a small planet; a bud in a prairie among an infinite multitude of prairies. We humans give so much worth to our lives, because that is all we have. If the Infinite wanted for us to learn something from life and to evolve to something else, it would be left to happen on its own; eventually evolve. It could even speak through our minds, and some of us would indeed speak to others; yet we would speak only what our finite minds understood; and yes our stories would be similar. So believe what you like the outcome and the truth remains the same. Whatever actions we humans do, they only affect ourselves, humanity and society, not the Infinite. The Infinite could care less whether you are righteous or a crook, gluttonous or you fast, virtuous or lustful, strong or weak, brave or a coward; whether you believe in It or not, whether you glorify It or not, whether you sacrifice your life for It or not. Therefore the Infinite could not be used as a means of controlling you by manipulating your feelings; Who knows you may get to be a being of higher level of purpose and service within the Infinite, because everything within our finite existence has a reason right? And maybe some superior organization of beings would grand you a temporary stay in a heaven, and save you from a temporary punishment in a hell, or from utter oblivion. What you believe is in fact a personal matter; there is a multitude of possibilities we can imagine with our finite minds, and it is up to you to decide whether or not it is worth it to spend your life following one dogma out of so many others.
While everything within the Infinite has a role,and serves its own purpose, there is no reason for the Infinite to be the way it is. It just is, as it is. It is the reason for all reasons, because it encompasses every concept of existence. A flower blooms in a prairie, nature takes its course through the seasons, living beings inhale and exhale, a singularity erupts after surpassing the allowable limit of gravitational constriction and a universe disperses and its parts are attracted by the parts of other universes, due to their gravitational attraction, and other singularities are formed. Who else, other than your people, your society and humanity, needs your righteousness, virtue, goodness and positivism?
Perhaps in the historic past, when human law was not able to keep the peace among the deprived masses, which the economy of the times could not supply with even the necessities, religion did provide a solution; or perhaps in the future when our limited planet is not able any more to provide for the population, still some may resolve to believe in an after death salvation. Whereas some of us can swim in deeper waters, we all have our limits of understanding, and can only float for a while, and some could even drown in shallow waters. Certainly religion could play a role of simplifying matters to those who cannot conceive or comprehend deep concepts. So unless religion becomes a burden to the economy, progress and function of society, it could assist in lessening the weight of society in providing for peace and law and order within it.
One thing is absolutely certain. The Infinite is the reason for all matter, objects and phenomena, and the source of all energy, intelligence and existence within the Infinite.
This theory/philosophy is called Infinitism; the theory/philosophy of the Infinite.
tazanastazio wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:18 pm
while there indeed exist finite finities within the WHAT ON EARTH YOU TALKING ABOUT?;
This phrase doesn't actually mean ANYTHING. It's complete rubbish.
That's why I edited, to put "finite", because you clearly don't understand that "infinity" is a concept for a series of finites, there is no "infinity".
tazanastazio wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:50 pm
One thing is absolutely certain. The Infinite is the reason for all existence and all phenomena within the Infinite.
This theory / philosophy is called Infinitism; the theory / philosophy of the Infinite.
There is a lovely phrase used by scientists to point to false answers, that are so bad they do not begin to address issues being not at all relevant to the problem.
So it would be something like.
How do planets revolve around the Sun. Answer because Mars is the God of War.
The lovely phrase is "NOT EVEN WRONG".
"The Infinite" is not a reason for anything. Making a reason is not even wrong.
Exact. The OP is pure assertion upon nonsensical assertion.
Where is his proof of this "infinity" field that was the cause of big bang, planets and etc? He has ZERO evidence, only a BS text followed by insane schizophrenic BS claims, line by line of pure word salad rubbish, not even wrong, not even in a room for a discussion, because it didn't make any sense even for a discussion.
tazanastazio wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:50 pm
One thing is absolutely certain. The Infinite is the reason for all existence and all phenomena within the Infinite.
This theory / philosophy is called Infinitism; the theory / philosophy of the Infinite.
There is a lovely phrase used by scientists to point to false answers, that are so bad they do not begin to address issues being not at all relevant to the problem.
So it would be something like.
How do planets revolve around the Sun. Answer because Mars is the God of War.
The lovely phrase is "NOT EVEN WRONG".
"The Infinite" is not a reason for anything. Making a reason is not even wrong.
Exact. The OP is pure assertion upon nonsensical assertion.
Where is his proof of this "infinity" field that was the cause of big bang, planets and etc? He has ZERO evidence, only a BS text followed by insane schizophrenic BS claims, line by line of pure word salad rubbish, not even wrong, not even in a room for a discussion, because it didn't make any sense even for a discussion.
