Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

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Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

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Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer.

Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me.

Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven.

Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just?

There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth.

If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death?

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Re: Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

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Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pm Did god really condemn mankind?
That depends on what you actually are asking by using the 'condemn' word.
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pm Is god a just god?
Yes.
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pm God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer.
What does 'hell' and 'death' mean to you?

'Hell' and 'death', from God's literal perspective, usually means nothing like what 'you', human beings, literally believe they do.
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pmMeanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice.
To me that is NOT how I read and understand the scriptures.
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pmThat justice being an eye for an eye.
This is certainly NOT justice to me.
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pmThis means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me.
But just about ALL of this is so far from God's meaning, that it is not even worth considering really.
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pmSince few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death.
BEFORE you jump to the conclusion that "few of us ever kill" I would reconsider LOOKING AT the Truth of things far more than you are now.
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pmYet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven.
That is certainly NOT what I gain from the 'scriptures'. But I do have a tendency to LOOK AT and SEE things very differently, then most human beings do.

What 'hell', 'heaven', 'death' actually mean from God's perspective NEEDS to be LOOK AT and UNDERSTOOD first.
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pmCan god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just?
'God' is NOT a "he".

Could you be somewhat confused about and/or misconstrued some of what is written in the bible?
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pmThere is no doubt that we are all sinners.
This may well be True, but the issue here is that most human beings have completely mistaken what 'sinning' actually means.
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:22 pm Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth.
NO IT IS NOT.

Your statement here comes from very distorted and disillusioned people, who usually have come from a religious background.

If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death?

Thanks.

Regards
DL
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