Göbekli Tepe

[surreptitious57]

When did I say or claim that you are not open

You recently said that I was not as open as I would like to think I am [ even though I am becoming more open over time ]
You also said that many are not as open as they would like to think they are [ so do you not remember saying all of this ]

[surreptitious57]

Do you really think that just because you might for example say human beings to me means the exact same as human minds
a couple of times then that it is going to be agreed with accepted and remembered by any one let alone ALL and EVERY one

Only those that are actually going to be reading my words have to accept this
It will make absolutely no difference to anyone else as they will not see them

[surreptitious57]

To me what really matters is learning how to use words in a particular so that the Truest and
Biggest picture of ALL THERE IS can be fully understood by any and EVERY one

When everyone understands ALL THERE IS then there will be no need for words
They will just know it for what it is and so words will simply not be necessary

[surreptitious57]

So what would you like me to do

What is it exactly that you want from me

I told you that I did not have the mental energy to answer all your questions and you responded by then asking me TEN more
Having a conversation is better than being given a quiz and especially as many of your questions are never answered anyway

At the rate you are going you will be here forever before you can be fully understood if that be your goal
Your clarifying questions are not really being clarified if no one here is actually bothering to answer them

Now how you post is entirely up to you but discourse would probably be a lot easier without so many questions
Please do not respond to this post by adding to the TEN unanswered questions that you have already asked me

[Eodnhoj7]

Are you?

Are you aware that you have completely incorrectly quoted the above?

Is that the correct question to assume?

What do you mean?

And, until you start quoting correctly, things will only get more confusing, to some.
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How do you know that? Are you sure? What does confusing to some mean?

[Eodnhoj7]

Is the question truly open when limiting it in such a manner? Are you assuming it is clarifying?

Again, all of this is quoted incorrectly and so again you are responding to your own self here now.

Are you assuming it was quoted incorrectly?

No. The evidence and proof is there for any one to LOOK AT and SEE. To find the evidence and proof one just needs to look back at your writings.

what is evidence, what is proof? What do you mean?

Prove it.

Prove 'what'?

Are you sure that is the correct question and your mind is not playing tricks on you...can you prove "prove what" is the right question?
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[Age]

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Despite the effort, we are not connecting.

That might be because you are not OPEN, or might be because you just do not want to even consider what I am saying?

By the way I have ALREADY connected with 'you' as I ALREADY KNOW why 'you' think, say, and do what 'you' do.

I observe the way you twist and turn every little phrase -- complaining that something isn't answered in one paragraph, when the answer was clearly answered in another paragraph -- claiming that I never answer your questions, which is a lie -- and it's hard to discern whether you are mad, dishonest, or ignorant, or a combination of those.

Or, I am NONE of these, and it is just your assumptions that is making you observe that I am any of these.

Your inability to follow a line of conversation, and REMEMBER what has been said, and CONNECT the points that have been made, is so severely deficient, that it's impossible to have an easy and reasonable conversation with you.

Is this like your inability to distinguish between an assumption made, and, just what is said to be as appearing to be the case?

Look at how everyone here has to dance around your word games.

Okay, I am looking at this, that is; what you assume is happening here.

Look at HOW 'you', human beings, are continually behaving wrongly, and what this IS causing and creating for your OWN selves.

It's stupid and quite possibly insane. And I'm done playing with it.

Okay.

Good luck to you.

Okay.

[Age]

When you LOOK AT things from the Truly OPEN Existence then you will SEE and UNDERSTAND the Truth of things almost instantaneously
To me this just does not work . Or to make it work then there needs to be a lot of reshuffling of words and their definitions which to
me seems truly an unnecessary thing to do

When you are looking at something from a truly open perspective you will not need any words
You will see it and understand it instantaneously as you say so there will be no time for words

Okay. What is 'it'?

I agree with this if 'it' is the truth. But if you want to share 'it' with "others", then to be able to do this words are needed.

There is always time for words.

[Age]

When did I say or claim that you are not open

You recently said that I was not as open as I would like to think I am [ even though I am becoming more open over time ]
You also said that many are not as open as they would like to think they are [ so do you not remember saying all of this ]

If you say I said this, then WHERE exactly did I say this?

If I said that you are not as open as you would like to be, then this is different to say that you are not open.

[Age]

Do you really think that just because you might for example say human beings to me means the exact same as human minds
a couple of times then that it is going to be agreed with accepted and remembered by any one let alone ALL and EVERY one

Only those that are actually going to be reading my words have to accept this
It will make absolutely no difference to anyone else as they will not see them

You did write;
As long as one clearly defines what a particular word means to them and it is understood by all then that is all that matters

[Age]

To me what really matters is learning how to use words in a particular so that the Truest and
Biggest picture of ALL THERE IS can be fully understood by any and EVERY one

When everyone understands ALL THERE IS then there will be no need for words
They will just know it for what it is and so words will simply not be necessary

Why do you say this?

To me, there will still be the necessary use of words to share thoughts and feelings, as well as new and more ideas.

[Age]

So what would you like me to do

What is it exactly that you want from me

I told you that I did not have the mental energy to answer all your questions and you responded by then asking me TEN more.

That is because I was seeing if you are actually able to back up and support what you claim.

If you claim that you do not have the mental energy, then I want to see if you really know what mental energy IS.

Having a conversation is better than being given a quiz and especially as many of your questions are never answered anyway

You forgot to add that to you having a conversation is better than having a quiz, unless of course you are saying that you can speak for EVERY one.

At the rate you are going you will be here forever before you can be fully understood if that be your goal

It appears to me that you have completely misunderstood, misinterpreted, or just plain forgotten what I have been saying, which is; I am here, in this forum, to learn how to communicate better. Nothing more and nothing less. Therefore, my goal here, in this forum, is NOT to be fully understood at all. But to just learn how to communicate better.

Your clarifying questions are not really being clarified if no one here is actually bothering to answer them

Obviously.

This might be because people are not actually able to back up and support what they claim.

Now how you post is entirely up to you but discourse would probably be a lot easier without so many questions

Okay. If you say so, then that must be how things are to you.

Please do not respond to this post by adding to the TEN unanswered questions that you have already asked me

Okay.

When you do not claim some thing, which is obviously false or wrong to me, then I will not ask you to clarify what it is that you ate saying.

[Age]

Are you aware that you have completely incorrectly quoted the above?

Is that the correct question to assume?

What do you mean?

And, until you start quoting correctly, things will only get more confusing, to some.

How do you know that? [/quote]

Because if things are quoted incorrectly, (as you have once again here), then as the word 'incorrect' implies, confusion will happen, which has already happened. So, I already KNOW.

Are you sure?

Yes.

What does confusing to some mean?

To some human beings they will be becone confused.

Why do you ask me clarifying questions without answering my clarifying questions?

[Age]

Again, all of this is quoted incorrectly and so again you are responding to your own self here now.

Are you assuming it was quoted incorrectly?

No. The evidence and proof is there for any one to LOOK AT and SEE. To find the evidence and proof one just needs to look back at your writings.

what is evidence, what is proof? What do you mean?

Prove it.

Prove 'what'?

Are you sure that is the correct question and your mind is not playing tricks on you...can you prove "prove what" is the right question?

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Who or what exactly are 'you' replying to here?

[Atla]

Because 'you' are so CLOSED you have not even considered, let alone been able to fathom, that there is absolute NOTHING that even could, to you, be shown to imply that I am right about "this 'Truth' stuff".

Are you at all aware that it is impossible to show some thing to some one who believes otherwise?

Even the very Truth Itself can not be SEEN by a person who believes It does not exist.

'you', "atla", are a prime example and living proof of this FACT.

'you' are the actual PROOF that I NEED to provide and SHOW that I am Right "about this 'Truth' stuff", as you call 'it'.

The Truth is HERE-NOW in front of ALL of 'you', human beings. It IS ALWAYS. Just some of 'you' are NOT OPEN to SEEING It.

Case still OPEN.

Do other Aboriginals also have the same difficulties as you in trying to communicate with non-Aboriginals?