Göbekli Tepe

[Atla]

When this is written most human beings are still wondering what is right and what is wrong in Life. The very specific reason and purpose for this is because individually and collectively human beings learn best from their mistakes. A child can not just learn what is right from being told what is right. They HAVE to experience it. For example, you can tell a child that the stove or the fire is hot, but they will not "listen" to that 'what is right's advice. They, literally, have to experience it, for them selves, to accept it AND learn it. They learn by their mistakes. The more an individual experiences the more they can and will learn. The more wrong or mistakes human beings do and make collectively, then the more they can and will learn.

Also, not until later in life, and/or closer to one's own death bed, do human beings individually start to really contemplate and consider 'what is this (Life) all about?' and 'how they could have done things differently/better'. This will also happen when human beings collectively get older in age and/or are closer to their death bed. When human beings discover what it is that is Truly right and wrong in Life, then they will learn and see WHY it was so important that they had a percentage of 'free will' to be able to learn and discover for, and by, their own selves, without necessarily being told 'what is right' by "others".

The Truth is the True and Right Answers are within every one anyway, and, if left alone, and given enough time, they will find and discover these Answers by, and for, themselves.

No dipshit, you are just making this whole thing up, in order to get one-up on other people. It's a form of malignance.

What are you saying "No" to exactly?

And, what am I supposedly "making up"?

I how NO intention of getting "one-up on other people". I do not even know what it means or in what context you are even talking about. (I would normally ask a clarifying question or two now, but you have shown a complete inability to answer them.)

What exactly is a form of malignancy?

This whole bulllshit about finding out the truth/right answers/that they are already within us.
You are just making the whole thing up, to get one-up on others (because you want to hurt them).
Either you are intentially lying, or you are as CLOSED about looking at your own malignant delusions as it gets.

[Age]

Always looking at "another" and continually trying to ridicule them is just but one more way of trying to deflecting away from the Truth of things, which is; your complete inability to clarify what you, yourself, say.

You can not or will not even clarify what context you meant. This is probably because you can NOT do it. You appear to be absolutely fearful of even trying to clarify because of what WILL be revealed.

Here is a neat test I found (it's for little children tho):

There is a room with a ball, a basket and a box in it.
Ann goes inside, plays with the ball a bit, then puts the ball into the basket and leaves.
Later, Susan goes inside, plays with the ball a bit, then puts the ball into the box and leaves.
Later Ann comes in again, where will she look for the ball?

Where I THINK she will look does not matter.

What matters is where she WILL look.

She WILL look for the ball where she WANTS to look for it, and where this WILL be WILL be dependent upon her memory.

So, my answer is 'I do not know'.

But why did you ask this question?

Do you KNOW where another human being WILL look for some thing?

[Atla]

some Hindu ones

Well do your own research (but nondual thinking can be difficult to grasp so..)

"nondual thinking". I think you might need to do a bit more thinking about this.

So you're a Hindu based 'non-dualist', as such you fall under spiritual monism but what type, substantial, attributive or an absolute monist?

no, no and no (and neither)

Maybe the time has come for you to consider therapy?

Though coming to terms with the fact that an education in Philosophy is a complete waste of time (it may even do more damage than good), can be difficult.

[Eodnhoj7]

And that truth is 'you assume every thing'.

Either I know this is truth, or are you saying that this is not the truth?

See, I can know the truth, whereas you can never know any thing; as you assume every thing.

I assumed void and this is an assumption leading to a further assumption that assumes the original assumption as an empty form that is assumed "as is" and is assumed as a way of assuming because of "as is".

I know nothing as knowing is empty.

So you know the truth...do tell.

I find it hilarious that you once again MISSED it here. I could in a sense understand how and why you missed my given example in your thread on this issue, but I wrote the exact same example here now but never would have even thought that you could miss it again.

I told you the truth that I know in the quote of mine that you, yourself, just provided, and just responded to.

Then apparently you dont know the truth of how I think...and are ignorant.

[Eodnhoj7]

No dipshit, you are just making this whole thing up, in order to get one-up on other people. It's a form of malignance.

What are you saying "No" to exactly?

And, what am I supposedly "making up"?

I how NO intention of getting "one-up on other people". I do not even know what it means or in what context you are even talking about. (I would normally ask a clarifying question or two now, but you have shown a complete inability to answer them.)

What exactly is a form of malignancy?

This whole bulllshit about finding out the truth/right answers/that they are already within us.
You are just making the whole thing up, to get one-up on others (because you want to hurt them).
Either you are intentially lying, or you are as CLOSED about looking at your own malignant delusions as it gets.

And looking at the history of man is not looking into yourself?

[Age]

I created things to be exactly this way, for a very specific reason and purpose I might add.

What is the very specific reason and purpose?

The very specific reason and purpose for this is because individually and collectively human beings learn best from their mistakes.

Why create human beings who need to learn from mistakes in such a way? Why not instill them with more awareness?

Once I can explain HOW and WHY it is I who creates ALL of this destruction going on, and not just some of it, and I am fully heard and understood, then the destruction I am continually causing can be and will be STOPPED.

Why are you incapable of explaining -- and/or why not create humans with the ability to hear and understand?

This sounds like you just want people to keep listening to you as if there's a good reason to, such as: the salvation of man. Your claims and excuses are lame.

I meant for things to be exactly how they are HERE-NOW.

So was this all you were capable of? You keep talking about people fully hearing and understanding, as if what you meant things to be HERE-NOW is for there to be an inability of stopping all the destruction.

Are you playing twisted games? Why create humans that must learn -- so that you can revel in some kind of superiority, rather than acknowledging that you're a terrible creator?

The Truth is the True and Right Answers are within every one anyway, and, if left alone, and given enough time, they will find and discover these Answers by, and for, themselves.

Why must they go through a process? What's the point of that if the answers are within them already?

And why are you here telling them about their inability, if you're the one who created that inability? Seriously, what kind of twisted, fucked up trip are you on?

I was just about to respond to your first question, and then the subsequent questions, but ended up reading all of what you wrote first.

I will just reply to your last question instead now.

You appear to have already made assumptions about what the answers are, or could be, regarding your own questions, and so, as it appears that you have already arrived at A conclusion, so there is no use in me now providing any of my own actual answers. Unless, of course, if you specifically ask more questions, then I will answer.

By the way, the actual answers to your questions can be explained in great detail. But I must pre-warn these answers are not like the ones you assume, nor would even be expecting.

Also, I thought your questions were great and was looking forward to clarifying them in great detail, unfortunately though, you believe this would not be possible.

[Age]

No dipshit, you are just making this whole thing up, in order to get one-up on other people. It's a form of malignance.

What are you saying "No" to exactly?

And, what am I supposedly "making up"?

I how NO intention of getting "one-up on other people". I do not even know what it means or in what context you are even talking about. (I would normally ask a clarifying question or two now, but you have shown a complete inability to answer them.)

What exactly is a form of malignancy?

This whole bulllshit about finding out the truth/right answers/that they are already within us.

Are you saying here that there is no true nor right answers within you?

If yes, then where are you getting this answer from, which you just openly expressed could actually be wrong and/or false?

You are just making the whole thing up, to get one-up on others (because you want to hurt them).

Or, I am not (so that NO one gets hurt ever again).

Either you are intentially lying, or you are as CLOSED about looking at your own malignant delusions as it gets.

Or, you believe things, which are just based off of your previously gained assumptions, which have you led you so far astray now from the actual and real Truth of thingsthat no matter what is said it shown to you, you not accept any thing other than what you now BELIEVE is true.

[Lacewing]

You appear to have already made assumptions about what the answers are, or could be, regarding your own questions, and so, as it appears that you have already arrived at A conclusion, so there is no use in me now providing any of my own actual answers.

How convenient for you to make that assumption of me and therefore justify your unwillingness to answer the questions. Just answer them, and maybe I will see something new than what appears to be the case. I'm flexible. You should know this.

By the way, the actual answers to your questions can be explained in great detail. But I must pre-warn these answers are not like the ones you assume, nor would even be expecting.

Is great detail really necessary? Truth can be simple, yes? How about just the simple truth? You want to know how to communicate better? Try that.

Also, I thought your questions were great and was looking forward to clarifying them in great detail, unfortunately though, you believe this would not be possible.

Another assumption you're making. Do you really not know better? Don't be deterred just because someone suggests that you're jerking them around. Maybe you are! Prove otherwise. Please don't bog it down with "great detail" though -- just provide the simple truth.

You shouldn't be deterred when you are questioned for the questionable and inconsistent things that you say. Nor should you think that a human mind cannot see broader truth when it is presented well. So why don't you stop making up excuses and tell the truth simply, without all the dramatics and story-telling which are rather convoluted and boring.

[Arising_uk]

no, no and no (and neither)

Ok, so what makes your 'nondualism' not a form of Monism?

Maybe the time has come for you to consider therapy?

Why?

Though coming to terms with the fact that an education in Philosophy is a complete waste of time (it may even do more damage than good), can be difficult.

How would you know, do you have an education in Philosophy?

[Arising_uk]

And of course you don't even know that this was before farming.

A very fair point. So it must have been a very prosperous time for hunting then if they had the down-time to spend building such things or as sculptor said, it was the standard 'priestly' scam.

[Atla]

And of course you don't even know that this was before farming.

A very fair point. So it must have been a very prosperous time for hunting then if they had the down-time to spend building such things or as sculptor said, it was the standard 'priestly' scam.

Looks like Göbekli Tepe was built before organized scams.

[Arising_uk]

Well they clearly must have had some form of division of labour so it's not beyond reason they would have had specializations.

[Atla]

What are you saying "No" to exactly?

And, what am I supposedly "making up"?

I how NO intention of getting "one-up on other people". I do not even know what it means or in what context you are even talking about. (I would normally ask a clarifying question or two now, but you have shown a complete inability to answer them.)

What exactly is a form of malignancy?

This whole bulllshit about finding out the truth/right answers/that they are already within us.
You are just making the whole thing up, to get one-up on others (because you want to hurt them).
Either you are intentially lying, or you are as CLOSED about looking at your own malignant delusions as it gets.

And looking at the history of man is not looking into yourself?

Looking into yourself is one thing.
Looking into yourself and then mistaking your own voice of intuition (or some other voice in the head) for some universal certain truth, and then developing a messiah complex based on that, like Age does, is another.

[Age]

You appear to have already made assumptions about what the answers are, or could be, regarding your own questions, and so, as it appears that you have already arrived at A conclusion, so there is no use in me now providing any of my own actual answers.

How convenient for you to make that assumption of me and therefore justify your unwillingness to answer the questions.

But it is not an assumption. I never said you made assumptions. I just expressed what appears to me. What appears to me is not an assumption.

IF you had already made assumptions or not, then this will come to light.

If you had shown a greater sign of openness earlier, then I would have answered your questions earlier.

But i WILL answer your questions now because you now appear to be curious to know them.

Just answer them, and maybe I will see something new than what appears to be the case. I'm flexible. You should know this.

How, and why, "should" I know that 'you' are flexible? I have not observed a great deal of flexibility from 'you'. Your words like; "Seriously, what kind of twisted, fucked up trip are you on?" certainly do not instill in me that you are flexible at all. From those words it appears, to me, that you already have a fixed view of things.

By the way, the actual answers to your questions can be explained in great detail. But I must pre-warn these answers are not like the ones you assume, nor would even be expecting.

Is great detail really necessary?

That all depends on if the simplicity is overlooked or not.

Truth can be simple, yes?

Yes, very simple, I might suggest. In fact the Truth of things is so simple and easy to understand that to some human beings, this just could not be possible nor true.

How about just the simple truth?

I can give very simple truth to you, but if you can understand and accept it is another matter. Some times more detail is needed to be given so that the actual simplicity of Truth can be fully understood.

EVERY person is different so what answers that 'you' can and will accept and understand, another may not. So, finding the right words for each and EVERY one just takes some time to learn and find.

You want to know how to communicate better? Try that.

I have. But most do not understand it.

For example, the Truth of things can be found and understood, relatively very quickly, almost instantaneously, very simply, and extremely easily, just through absolute Honesty. But how may people do you know of who can fully understand this Truth yet?

Actually, how many people do you know who are absolutely Honest.

Some times simplicity just does not work with those that believe that things really are complicated and not simple. The Truth is Life really is simple and easy. But how many really understand and comprehend this, if It is not explained it in more detail?

The very simple equation E=MC2 was not instantly understood, by itself. It needed thousands upon thousands of words explaining in great detail to make it fully understood, in the beginning.

Sometimes the simple truth is not understood without some detail.

Also, I thought your questions were great and was looking forward to clarifying them in great detail, unfortunately though, you believe this would not be possible.

Another assumption you're making.

Where is the assumption?

Do you believe that I can clarify your questions?

Do you really not know better?

In regards to what exactly?

Don't be deterred just because someone suggests that you're jerking them around. Maybe you are! Prove otherwise. Please don't bog it down with "great detail" though -- just provide the simple truth.

Okay. But if you would like, or expect, "others" to do some thing for you, then suggesting that they are jerking you around, when they are NOT, then I suggest is not the best way to get what you would like from them.

You shouldn't be deterred when you are questioned for the questionable and inconsistent things that you say.

I was, and will, NEVER be deterred by those things alone.

You assuming and/or believing that I was on some "twisted, fucked up trip" was the only reason why I was deterred.

Nor should you think that a human mind cannot see broader truth when it is presented well.

I would NEVER think such a thing, because there is no such thing as the "human mind".

See how easily some extremely simple truths are just not comprehended nor understand, without some detail being provided as well.

So why don't you stop making up excuses and tell the truth simply, without all the dramatics and story-telling which are rather convoluted and boring.

Why do not stop assuming that I am on some "twisted, fucked up trip"?

From just about the very outset of our communication you have assumed and/or believed this. If you had not been assuming such a thing, then maybe you would have already fully understood the actual simplicity of the Truth that I have already been saying.

Here now is my answers to your questions.
Why create human beings who need to learn from mistakes in such a way?

The 'I', in the physical sense, is EVERY physical thing.

Humans beings evolved the way they are because that is how 'I' create EVERY thing. Why human beings, like all animal beings with the ability to sense the environment around them, gradually learn from the mistakes they make. That is how all animals evolve into the way they are now.

Why not instill them with more awareness?

Awareness, like Consciousness, gradually emerges through evolving animals until an animal being, like the human being, with enough intelligence is able to uncover the Truth of things.

Why are you incapable of explaining -- and/or why not create humans with the ability to hear and understand?

To understand this there needs to be the understanding of who/what the 'you' is, which is very different from who/what thee 'I' is.

The 'you' here in your question, from your perspective, is just 'me', the person, who is just learning how to communicate has NO ability to create humans.

Thee 'I', in the physical sense, is the Universe Itsel, which has created fuman beings have the ability to hear and understand. Human beings though have also evolved with the ability to assume and believe things, which is what prevents and stops them from hearing and understanding.

This sounds like you just want people to keep listening to you as if there's a good reason to, such as: the salvation of man.

What it sounds like to you is NOT necessarily at all true.

When 'you' understand the difference between the 'you' and the 'I', then 'you' will understand better who/what it is better to listen to; for the salvation of EVERY one, and not just some.

Your claims and excuses are lame.

The only "claims and excuses" here are the ones that 'you', yourself, are assuming and/or are believing exist. Without clarifying with me first, then you are just only assuming and/or believing things.

So was this all you were capable of?

Do you think that ALL-THERE-IS HERE-NOW is nothing much at all?

You keep talking about people fully hearing and understanding, as if what you meant things to be HERE-NOW is for there to be an inability of stopping all the destruction.

Depending on the 'you' and when the 'you' is existing, then how things ARE in the HERE-NOW will make more sense to some than it does to "others".

To those in the years of when then is written the destruction that is happening is just "normal" and "justified" behavior. But to those in later years looking back on the absurdity and ridiculousness of those and their behavior in those times, then things are understood. But how things ARE in ALL of the HERE-NOW's is exactly how things are meant to be.

Are you playing twisted games? .

No.

Why create humans that must learn .

How could evolution be able to create an ALL-knowing being, in the beginning?

1. There is NO beginning.
2. Through evolution created animal beings do learn.

How would the Universe be able to come to KNOW Thy Self if, through evolution, an animal species did not come to be created without the ability to learn?

-- so that you can revel in some kind of superiority, .

Thee 'I', or your True Self, does not revel in just KNOWING things

rather than acknowledging that you're a terrible creator?.

If 'you' think or believe that the Universe is terrible the way It is, then that is 'your' perception. The way the Universe is creating It Self HERE-NOW, to me, is perfect just the way It Is right NOW.

Why must they go through a process?

Do 'you' want, or expect, to just be given answers, without ever having to learn things for your self?

If 'you' do not learn things for, nor by, your self, then there is no self satisfaction nor self achievement.

What's the point of that if the answers are within them already?

Things are bigger than just humans beings. Human beings are just one minute part of evolution and Life Itself. Human beings are NOT created in one moment ALL-Knowing. They are just one part of the evolutionary process of the Universe or Life, Itself becoming Conscious and Aware of It's Self.

And why are you here telling them about their inability, if you're the one who created that inability?

What would you like me to tell 'you/them'?

Would you like me to tell you/them what you/them what to hear, which is how good you all are and to keep on just doing what you are doing?

Or, IF you/them want me to simply tell the Truth, then I WILL.

Seriously, what kind of twisted, fucked up trip are you on?

Revealing Thy Self.

What "trip" do you assume or believe I am on?

[Age]

kiloquote=Age post_id=422894 time=1567374924 user_id=16237]

I assumed void and this is an assumption leading to a further assumption that assumes the original assumption as an empty form that is assumed "as is" and is assumed as a way of assuming because of "as is".

I know nothing as knowing is empty.

So you know the truth...do tell.

I find it hilarious that you once again MISSED it here. I could in a sense understand how and why you missed my given example in your thread on this issue, but I wrote the exact same example here now but never would have even thought that you could miss it again.

I told you the truth that I know in the quote of mine that you, yourself, just provided, and just responded to.

Then apparently you dont know the truth of how I think...and are ignorant.
[/quote]

I KNOW how and why those thoughts exist with that body.

I also KNOW why you keep MISSING my example of 'what is not assumed' even though you keep asking for it.