Göbekli Tepe

[Skepdick]

Engineering is thus a process of transmutation where we create various input/output devices that effectively cause a change in reality. This change, causes and inherent fragmentation that reverberates at the individual level of the pscyhe and the group level.

Exactly the opposite. Engineering is the God-complex. Engineering is the construction of things which endure despite reality's constantly changing nature.

Like stable societies, in which individuals have time to pontificate about the boredom of their civilised existence and fragment themselves in the pursuit of variety and excitement.

[Eodnhoj7]

Engineering is thus a process of transmutation where we create various input/output devices that effectively cause a change in reality. This change, causes and inherent fragmentation that reverberates at the individual level of the pscyhe and the group level.

Exactly the opposite. Engineering is the God-complex. Engineering is the construction of things which endure despite reality's constantly changing nature.

Like stable societies, in which individuals have time to pontificate about the boredom of their civilised existence and fragment themselves in the pursuit of variety and excitement.

Last time I checked the Parthathon is strictly a shell of what it once was and if I made this claim to any college student they would not know what the hell I was talking about.

Civilizations operate like wave functions in time, they are subject to rise and fall and rise in a different variation of the partially forgotten former.

Engineering is the transmutation of forms, it is morally neutral...you reap what you sow.

Current society is just the continuation of various input and output devices...it will follow the same format as prior societies.

[Skepdick]

Engineering is the transmutation of forms, it is morally neutral...you reap what you sow.

That's why we build airplanes while being neutral towards them crashing. Oh. Wait.

[Eodnhoj7]

Engineering is the transmutation of forms, it is morally neutral...you reap what you sow.

That's why we build airplanes without being neutral towards them crashing. Oh. Wait.

People build airplanes to get from point a to point b faster because they cannot stand being inside of themselves. It is an industry built upon the idea of "speed" and time efficiency...

We construct things in accords to the values we hold and how we perceive those values. Technology is a projection of our internal values and rational capabilities.

Engineering is inevitable. If people are not constructing technology, they are constructing relationships, themselves, etc.

Engineering is strictly another way of saying transmutation. We take one form and turn it into another.

[Skepdick]

Civilizations operate like wave functions in time, they are subject to rise and fall and rise in a different variation of the partially forgotten former.

That may be true, but what people want FROM society, and the reason people build societies - that doesn't change all that much.

Satisfaction of needs. With safety being the primal one, society offers safety in numbers.

[Skepdick]

Engineering is inevitable. If people are not constructing technology, they are constructing relationships, themselves, etc.

Engineering is strictly another way of saying transmutation. We take one form and turn it into another.

What, like social constructivism ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_constructivism

[Eodnhoj7]

Civilizations operate like wave functions in time, they are subject to rise and fall and rise in a different variation of the partially forgotten former.

That may be true, but what people want FROM society, and the reason people build societies - that doesn't change all that much.

Satisfaction of needs. With safety being the primal one, society offers safety in numbers.

Until it consumes itself like an animal pit...ie school shootings, inner city violence etc.

Even the safety of a society follows a wave function.

As to want and need...people are too dumb and weak to distinguish between the two. I want to go to McDonalds, but I can live on vegetable protein powder and vitamin supplements.

[Eodnhoj7]

Engineering is inevitable. If people are not constructing technology, they are constructing relationships, themselves, etc.

Engineering is strictly another way of saying transmutation. We take one form and turn it into another.

What, like social constructivism ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_constructivism

Not limited too...

[Arising_uk]

... I want to go to McDonalds, but I can live on vegetable protein powder and vitamin supplements.[/color]

Not without science you can't.

[Arising_uk]

Civilizations operate like wave functions in time, they are subject to rise and fall and rise in a different variation of the partially forgotten former. ...

Depends how you define 'civilization', if you define it as having a common language then the Chinese appear to be bucking the curves.

[Eodnhoj7]

... I want to go to McDonalds, but I can live on vegetable protein powder and vitamin supplements.[/color]

Not without science you can't.

Actually vegetable protein has been observed without science, the book of Ezekiel observes a formula for bread which creates a protein...this bread was not created by science.

[Eodnhoj7]

Civilizations operate like wave functions in time, they are subject to rise and fall and rise in a different variation of the partially forgotten former. ...

Depends how you define 'civilization', if you define it as having a common language then the Chinese appear to be bucking the curves.

Depends on how you want to define language.

[Atla]

But my point exactly, how do you know all the waffle you've spouted about the intentions and motives of the Tepe builders.(Oh! I see now, you're just repeating the opinions in that link of yours and passing it off as 'your' hunches. )

I read and watch what I can find and come up with a conjecture that could be wrong.
Only someone as dense as you would suggest that what I say is based on one link.
Right now no one knows what the site was intended for. The idea that they may have connected the top of the pillars with planks and placed the dead there, and waited for vultures, came from me actually, as a possible missing central piece for the puzzle.

Coming up with ideas about Göbekli Tepe is the whole point of the topic, are you really this fucking braindead?

Presumably you can link us to the evidence of the remains of the infrastructure, i.e. refineries, harbours, tools, etc needed to mine and ship hundreds of thousands of tons of copper ore around the planet? I really would be interested.

Ehh.. use google; thousands of pits, countless tools, at least one major harbour and some infrastructure were found. No melting factories however. Not "around the planet" you moron but at the Great Lakes and then downstream. It was the purest copper in the world back then. Almost all of it mined before 1200 BC.

Have I got you wrong? You said 'civilizational collapse' around 1200-1150 BCE but the Chinese seem to have been fine and dandy.

Ah I thought they were your ocean-farers or know about them.
Of course the 1200 BC collapse wasn't about the Chinese, everyone knows that.

So I can add selective reading to the typical confirmation bias of the interweeble loon then can I?

How do you think the Australian aboriginals got there? No don't tell me, they flew on sky-boats powered by mystical electro-magnetic totems.

As a school teacher, do you understand what an 'ocean' is?

By-the-by, do you now agree that the pyramids have a nice and clear progression of building development?

There have been regressions throughout history, what you said looks like something from a 1960s textbook.
Also don't tell me that a more advanced civilization can't give technology to a less advanced one.

[Skepdick]

Depends on how you want to define language.

The way Chomsky does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIJ5jD1jHwo

[Arising_uk]

I read and watch what I can find and come up with a conjecture that could be wrong.
Only someone as dense as you would suggest that what I say is based on one link. ...

And yet the link pretty much contains everything you say?

Right now no one knows what the site was intended for. ...

And unless we invent a time machine or find some kind of writings pretty much never will.

The idea that they may have connected the top of the pillars with planks and placed the dead there, and waited for vultures, came from me actually, as a possible missing central piece for the puzzle. ...

Coming up with ideas about Göbekli Tepe is the whole point of the topic, are you really this fucking braindead?

Large caps, always pretty much a sign of the interweeb loon.

Given this is a Philosophy site would you not be better off spouting your guff on an Archaeology site?

Ehh.. use google; thousands of pits, countless tools, at least one major harbour and some infrastructure were found. No melting factories however. Not "around the planet" you moron but at the Great Lakes and then downstream. It was the purest copper in the world back then. Almost all of it mined before 1200 BC. ...

I stand corrected.

So you are saying these Phoenicians/Minoans travelled all the way to the Great Lakes, mined this copper and left zero trace of their activities?

You claimed they travelled around the world and again left bugger all evidence of their travels?

Of course the 1200 BC collapse wasn't about the Chinese, everyone knows that. ...

So just the collapse of one empire then?

As a school teacher, do you understand what an 'ocean' is?

Who's a school teacher? You really shouldn't believe all you read on the internut.

But again, I stand corrected.

There have been regressions throughout history, what you said looks like something from a 1960s textbook.
Also don't tell me that a more advanced civilization can't give technology to a less advanced one.

What are you waffling about now? The Egyptians built the pyramids and we can see a clear engineering progression from the early ones to the later ones all within an acceptable time frame.

I did a google on "Missing copper, great lakes, minoans" and lo' and behold this came top of the list. Maybe you'll accept the word of an actual archaeologist as it's talking about you and the other loons.

www.ramtops.co.uk/copper.html

Look forward to you addressing the points it makes but actually don't hold out much hope that you'll read it as selective reading and confirmation bias are long-held attributes of the internut weebles.

(Maybe I should just post the whole article in full?)