The Nature of Life

[Dontaskme]

The point being made here... is that which knows the nature of life is not physical.

Does it being (or not being) physical detract from its knowing?

There is only “Knowing” that cannot be known. In essence you are that knowing.

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[Dontaskme]

That which is reading and knowing the article is not physical ...is all I'm saying.

If you believe the physical and consciousness are different separate things fine. I do not buy into that kind of dualism.

I never mentioned anything about being separate things. Dualism is all there is. Consciousness and the contents of consciousness are not two separate things they are conjoined twins.

Consciousness, and life, are attributes of physical living organisms.

No, those are concepts of knowledge known. No living organism even knows it is alive or dead. Knowledge informs in the form of concepts/ideas, neither the concept or the idea is alive or dead. A conceptual idea has no more substance or reality to it than does Cinderella's biological Father.

You don't have to have that view, but if you regard the physical and consciousness as separate incompatible things you are left with a supernatural view of reality--the physical natural existence as one thing and some ineffable, intangible, ethereal thing you call consciousness or mind as another.

Again, there has never been any mention from me about consciousness and the contents of consciousness being separate independant things in and of themselves...it's maybe just how you are interpreting what you are reading, and your mind is making up it's own mind according to it's own understanding of reality. Words are the only tool we have to communicate but they are a terrible tool in that they can never get to what is actually being pointed to, but there is hope in that esoteric understanding is innate within all of us, if we want to look at it with a genuine desire.
There are many views, but only one viewfinder. There are many authors appearing, but there is only one reader.

In the monist's view, (mine), it is the physical, living, conscious organism itself that perceives and knows.

That which lives never dies, and that which dies never lived...you are identified with the image in the mirror ..the mirage.

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[RCSaunders]

No living organism even knows it is alive or dead.

I agree the dead do not know they are dead, but I can't believe you do not know you are alive, and you are an organism.

That which lives never dies, ...

I have a Japanese friend who actually believes that. (She's Shinto) Most Christians I know believe that too, as well as many others. What I find ironic is that those who believe that are the one's most concerned with things like extinction, death on the highways, and the so-called epidemics of teen suicides and deaths from drug-overdose.

[barbarianhorde]

Hello, I am new here.
I came here through another post you made. I run into a quick concern:

Life is an attribute or quality of material existence, just as all the physical qualities are. All that exists are physical entities,

How do you know?

Before I can read the rest I need to know how you arrived at this certainty.

Thanks.

[barbarianhorde]

No living organism even knows it is alive or dead.

I agree the dead do not know they are dead,

How could you possibly know this?
Only one option: you were dead before and didn't know it, yet somehow came into the possession of the knowledge afterwards.

but I can't believe you do not know you are alive, and you are an organism.

That which lives never dies, ...

I have a Japanese friend who actually believes that. (She's Shinto) Most Christians I know believe that too, as well as many others. What I find ironic is that those who believe that are the one's most concerned with things like extinction, death on the highways, and the so-called epidemics of teen suicides and deaths from drug-overdose.

Thats because they value life. Eternity comes at the price of having to care for itself.

[RCSaunders]

That which lives never dies, ...

I have a Japanese friend who actually believes that. (She's Shinto) Most Christians I know believe that too, as well as many others. What I find ironic is that those who believe that are the one's most concerned with things like extinction, death on the highways, and the so-called epidemics of teen suicides and deaths from drug-overdose.

Thats because they value life. Eternity comes at the price of having to care for itself.

Hi barbarian,

The statement being discussed is, "That which lives never dies." You'll have to explain what, "valuing life," means to those who believe no one ever dies. Why would anything that appears to die in this world actually matter if they never really died?

What I find ironic is that almost all those who believe they are destined to an eternal life are those who've made total disasters of the life they currently have but are certain they'll be totally successful in the next one.