Göbekli Tepe

[Atla]

What do you think was the purpose of this unbelievably old site?

Was it perhaps a gateway to the afterlife, or maybe something else entirely? (Perhaps they hadn't even come up with the idea of an afterlife yet?)

[attofishpi]

I just think - not about Gobklie Tepe - but that its just been announced that there is evidence of an asteroid impact in Greenland that explains the impact that Graham Hanckock has been going on about for years - 12K years approx that wiped out the mega fauna and perhaps ceased man's early civilisation.

[Atla]

I just think - not about Gobklie Tepe - but that its just been announced that there is evidence of an asteroid impact in Greenland that explains the impact that Graham Hanckock has been going on about for years - 12K years approx that wiped out the mega fauna and perhaps ceased man's early civilisation.

Agree, based on available evidence I totally think that there may have been a major comet impact around 11000 BC. The comet hit the ice sheet in North America (maybe instantly wiping out the Clovis culture, which was one of the most advanced on the planet at that time).

Göbekli Tepe lasted thousands of years after that event, but if I remember correctly, the megaliths were eventually getting smaller. Maybe signs of a slow regression, mainly caused by the quickly changing climate. Some claim that there are even depictions of this comet on the megaliths of Göbekli Tepe.

(Also, it's suddenly a lot less audacious to claim that the original Sphinx is ~12000 years old. It's just some 1100 kilometres from Göbekli Tepe, they may be contemporary, the necessary technology for the Sphinx definitely existed back then.)

I'd say that this was the "first age" of humanity.

Then we may have had a global dark age roughly between 8000 BC and 5000 BC, which coincides with a constant rise in global sea levels (some 60 meters in 3000 years). After that, civilization starts to re-emerge in the Indus-valley, and soon in several other places as well.

I think the Egyptians were very much aware that much earlier cultures existed before them. And using their knowledge of precession (which they acquired from the Nabta Playa culture), they could even calculate when this "first age" was. So they became obsessed with the date 10000 BC.

Later, humanity was thrown back again in the great civilizational collapse of 1200-1150 BC, the Bronze Age civilizations were actually surprisingly advanced, and some of them probably ocean-faring, most of that was forgotten or intentionally erased from history.

So I'd say we are in the "third age" of humanity now. Even if some of the above is inaccurate or wrong, we have still much to learn about our past.

[Atla]

What went on in the minds of the first humans, 12000 years ago? This was probably long before any kind of dualistic thinking was invented, but even taking that into account, it still all seems so alien.

The only hunch I have is that they might have been terribly afraid of something, which would be understandable after the global upheaval caused by a comet impact (maybe some pole shifts too?). But maybe my hunch is wrong.

I like how someone put it:

"What was so important to these early people that they gathered to build (and bury) the stone rings? The gulf that separates us from Gobekli Tepe's builders is almost unimaginable. Indeed, though I stood among the looming megaliths eager to take in their meaning, they didn't speak to me. They were utterly foreign, placed there by people who saw the world in a way I will never comprehend. There are no sources to explain what the symbols might mean."

[Atla]

I've found a theory that the two main pillars of some, but not all circles were probably aligned with the star Deneb, which was circumpolar at the earliest stages of Göbekli Tepe (but eventually drifted from that location due to precession). In one of the circles they even found a sightning stone, a stone with a hole drilled through it, through which they could see Deneb setting on the horizon.

Deneb is today part of the constellation Cygnus, it may very well have been a bird-constellation at the time of Göbekli Tepe too. Maybe they had some sort of Vulture-worship, maybe some kind of Vulture god (or maybe it was just their favourite constellation).

Maybe they put the headless bodies of the dead on top of the pillars (maybe they connected the top of the two pillars with plancks or something), to be consumed by vultures and other birds, thus performing a sky burial. Makes sense (not that I like this possibility).

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Conjecture: after the global cataclysms of 10900 BC (a comet) and 9700 BC (this might have been even worse, a Sun-induced plasma event that scorched the Earth and immediately ended the Ice Age), the remaining people wanted to get away badly. Maybe they thought that they had to place the dead high enough where only birds can reach them, because only birds can fly away and take them into the sky.

Also, back then the idea that we are centered in the head, probably didn't exist yet, they felt that they were centered around the gut (which is also a sort of brain actually). Maybe they saw the head as something bad, that binds them to this place, so they removed it.

(A side-effect of the 9700 BC plasma event might have been high radiation levels, which might have driven the remaining humans half-insane, psychotic, into unusual states of mind. They had to strive hard to keep it together, to remain functional, which paradoxically might have kick-started a sense of self in them, they realized that they are there. And also might have weeded out the less intelligent, who couldn't find a way out of the half-insane states.)

[Atla]

I find it remarkable how that forgotten period of human history may have been shaped by events that simply haven't occured in the past ~7000 years, are rather new to us. This work by Dr. Peratt may very much be onto something as well:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cien ... torm50.htm

This "First Age" of humanity, roughly 10000 BC - 8000 BC (the Egyptians later called it Zep Tepi, "the first occasion"), may have been a time when Gods or other anthropomorphic figures literally seemed to appear in the sky / walk the Earth.

The Sun seems to have been more violent back then, there was the huge 9700 BC coronal mass ejection and probably many smaller ones as well for hundreds/thousands of years. Which may have caused huge plasma shapes to appear in the sky, some of them oddly anthropomorphic. The petroglyphs depicting them were found in places all over the world.

(Egyptians were later obsessed with the constellation Orion, which, as they calculated, touched the horizon back then. So maybe they thought that Orion walked the Earth, and then gradually transcended into the sky. But this seems more like an additional conincidence.)

Because of the violence of such plasma events, some humans also moved underground, lived in caves.

[Atla]

Bump (just this once; I find the 11000 BC - 1000 BC period absolutely fascinating).

[Age]

I find it remarkable how that forgotten period of human history may have been shaped by events that simply haven't occured in the past ~7000 years, are rather new to us. This work by Dr. Peratt may very much be onto something as well:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cien ... torm50.htm

This "First Age" of humanity, roughly 10000 BC - 8000 BC (the Egyptians later called it Zep Tepi, "the first occasion"), may have been a time when Gods or other anthropomorphic figures literally seemed to appear in the sky / walk the Earth.

The Sun seems to have been more violent back then, there was the huge 9700 BC coronal mass ejection and probably many smaller ones as well for hundreds/thousands of years. Which may have caused huge plasma shapes to appear in the sky, some of them oddly anthropomorphic. The petroglyphs depicting them were found in places all over the world.

(Egyptians were later obsessed with the constellation Orion, which, as they calculated, touched the horizon back then. So maybe they thought that Orion walked the Earth, and then gradually transcended into the sky. But this seems more like an additional conincidence.)

Because of the violence of such plasma events, some humans also moved underground, lived in caves.

What do you mean by "First Age" of humanity, roughly 10000 BC - 8000 BC?

How are you defining 'humanity' here?

[Atla]

I find it remarkable how that forgotten period of human history may have been shaped by events that simply haven't occured in the past ~7000 years, are rather new to us. This work by Dr. Peratt may very much be onto something as well:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cien ... torm50.htm

This "First Age" of humanity, roughly 10000 BC - 8000 BC (the Egyptians later called it Zep Tepi, "the first occasion"), may have been a time when Gods or other anthropomorphic figures literally seemed to appear in the sky / walk the Earth.

The Sun seems to have been more violent back then, there was the huge 9700 BC coronal mass ejection and probably many smaller ones as well for hundreds/thousands of years. Which may have caused huge plasma shapes to appear in the sky, some of them oddly anthropomorphic. The petroglyphs depicting them were found in places all over the world.

(Egyptians were later obsessed with the constellation Orion, which, as they calculated, touched the horizon back then. So maybe they thought that Orion walked the Earth, and then gradually transcended into the sky. But this seems more like an additional conincidence.)

Because of the violence of such plasma events, some humans also moved underground, lived in caves.

What do you mean by "First Age" of humanity, roughly 10000 BC - 8000 BC?

How are you defining 'humanity' here?

Could you leave this topic to people who aren't insane, thank you.

[Age]

I find it remarkable how that forgotten period of human history may have been shaped by events that simply haven't occured in the past ~7000 years, are rather new to us. This work by Dr. Peratt may very much be onto something as well:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cien ... torm50.htm

This "First Age" of humanity, roughly 10000 BC - 8000 BC (the Egyptians later called it Zep Tepi, "the first occasion"), may have been a time when Gods or other anthropomorphic figures literally seemed to appear in the sky / walk the Earth.

The Sun seems to have been more violent back then, there was the huge 9700 BC coronal mass ejection and probably many smaller ones as well for hundreds/thousands of years. Which may have caused huge plasma shapes to appear in the sky, some of them oddly anthropomorphic. The petroglyphs depicting them were found in places all over the world.

(Egyptians were later obsessed with the constellation Orion, which, as they calculated, touched the horizon back then. So maybe they thought that Orion walked the Earth, and then gradually transcended into the sky. But this seems more like an additional conincidence.)

Because of the violence of such plasma events, some humans also moved underground, lived in caves.

What do you mean by "First Age" of humanity, roughly 10000 BC - 8000 BC?

How are you defining 'humanity' here?

Could you leave this topic to people who aren't insane, thank you.

So, you can not even answer two very simple straightforward questions. Do you not like having your ideas about what you find "absolutely fascinating" questioned?

You say, This "First Age" of humanity, roughly 10000 BC - 8000 BC, which completely contradicts what is otherwise suggested. Yet you still do NOT clarify what you mean. Do you really believe that the "first age" of humanity was just that minuscule few years ago?

[Atla]

So, you can not even answer two very simple straightforward questions. Do you not like having your ideas about what you find "absolutely fascinating" questioned?

You say, This "First Age" of humanity, roughly 10000 BC - 8000 BC, which completely contradicts what is otherwise suggested. Yet you still do NOT clarify what you mean. Do you really believe that the "first age" of humanity was just that minuscule few years ago?

I'll repeat: could you leave this topic to people who aren't insane, thank you.

[Eodnhoj7]

I would have to agree with Age (for once) on his stance and the quote he provided.

They were deeply afraid of something.

They where mostly likely trying to create a singularity (similar to the Tower of Babel story/myth) and where using the natural elements as a means to do it.

In pseudo scientific circles (which can be used as hypothesis to be tested in modern science) sound resonance was the key and it was used to levitate stones, produce altered effects of consciousness etc.

By aligning the elements of nature, in a specific geometry, nature changes. Crop circles (man made or not...who cares for this example) have been found to produce certain sound frequencies and changes in consciousness.

In theory you could build obelisks to cause a physical/psychic change in man (increased endurance, calmness, etc.) by rerouting the ether (which is what many of the ancients believed in).

The beginning portion, before the bullshit, of "the pyramids as physicallization of abstract philosophies) addresses this loosely....they had a different philosophy than we do.

[Atla]

I would have to agree with Age (for once) on his stance and the quote he provided.

They were deeply afraid of something.

They where mostly likely trying to create a singularity (similar to the Tower of Babel story/myth) and where using the natural elements as a means to do it.

In pseudo scientific circles (which can be used as hypothesis to be tested in modern science) sound resonance was the key and it was used to levitate stones, produce altered effects of consciousness etc.

By aligning the elements of nature, in a specific geometry, nature changes. Crop circles (man made or not...who cares for this example) have been found to produce certain sound frequencies and changes in consciousness.

In theory you could build obelisks to cause a physical/psychic change in man (increased endurance, calmness, etc.) by rerouting the ether (which is what many of the ancients believed in).

The beginning portion, before the bullshit, of "the pyramids as physicallization of abstract philosophies) addresses this loosely....they had a different philosophy than we do.

Maybe, personally I think that even if there's something to these technologies you mention, they were invented around 3000 BC by the Indus Valley civ.

Göbekli Tepe existed long before that so the solutions may be odd but much simpler. But they may have been intuitively drawn to the shape of a circle.

[Eodnhoj7]

I would have to agree with Age (for once) on his stance and the quote he provided.

They were deeply afraid of something.

They where mostly likely trying to create a singularity (similar to the Tower of Babel story/myth) and where using the natural elements as a means to do it.

In pseudo scientific circles (which can be used as hypothesis to be tested in modern science) sound resonance was the key and it was used to levitate stones, produce altered effects of consciousness etc.

By aligning the elements of nature, in a specific geometry, nature changes. Crop circles (man made or not...who cares for this example) have been found to produce certain sound frequencies and changes in consciousness.

In theory you could build obelisks to cause a physical/psychic change in man (increased endurance, calmness, etc.) by rerouting the ether (which is what many of the ancients believed in).

The beginning portion, before the bullshit, of "the pyramids as physicallization of abstract philosophies) addresses this loosely....they had a different philosophy than we do.

Maybe, personally I think that even if there's something to these technologies you mention, they were invented around 3000 BC by the Indus Valley civ.

Göbekli Tepe existed long before that so the solutions may be odd but much simpler. But they may have been intuitively drawn to the shape of a circle.

I dont know...possible.

Plato's Atlantis myth, like all myths, is grounded in something. I say "Egyptians! Egyptians!" but most likely they hijacked a philosophy from some prior civilization.

The tower of babbel was rumored as a spiral. Same nature as the Munchauseen trillema (which takes the logical form of a spiral). If all is glued to together by ether, and this ether effectively is the curves of space (platonic forms and variations of them) considering all phenomena exist because of curvature, then building platonic forms out of natural materials effectively would change the environment by causing a movement towards a singularity.

Platonic forms are a Jungian Zeitgeist of some prior philosophical perspective. Keep in mind, the ancients had a more holistic perspective...hence psyche and materiality where mostly likely connected by spatial curvature.

Good thread over all, thumbs up to everyone on it, philosophy needs to explore beyond the presocratic more...even I am learning new stuff.

[Eodnhoj7]

Read Whitley strieber's "The Key"...it is a fiction philosophical book but deals with the nature of hyper advanced computing from the perspective of the ancients (in some sections).