NEW "James" Bond to be Black Woman

[gaffo]

It's a refreshing change from the ceaseless pressure to get you to identify with characters with PC personality disorder.

I reject your "false choice" per characters.

I stated prior i hate any TV show post 2000............so only like "old shows"

where the characters are not asshole nor PC.

BTW, Dexter is not an asshole. I had to stop watching it, though, despite its well-paced story line, despite its consistent characterization, and despite its occasional brilliant human insight, because I could not stand the whining by Dexter's half-sister (or not even half... maybe step-sister?) She started to whine at around disk 6, and she never stopped. I had to fast forward the scenes of her voice half-crying, half sucking shit, it irritated me so much. And the writers never lifted her attitude out of that ass-sucking state. They destroyed the rest of the series for me, the fucking idiots.

Dexter is the serial killer gone good (lol - i've not bothered to watch it, but my understanding is he tries to "one up" other serial killers - ie. so a good guy and catches them).

not realistic in the least, serial killers have no wish to turn in their kin. in the real wold Dexter would not bother either way being an egoist, the last thing he would do is aid in the capture of his kin.


I like to be able to identify with the character - and that leaves me out of TV since 2000 or so.

last show i actually liked and have the DVDs of (PAL only - not offered in US - but my DVD player playsback PAL so ok personally) is Journeyman.

12 yr old tv show (yes cancelled before its time, like Firefly).

The 'noble' serial killer. Could the yanks get any more depraved? What's next, a sit-com about a sassy paedophile with a heart of gold?

whatever, no quips about Limeys?

typical of you,

[gaffo]

It's a refreshing change from the ceaseless pressure to get you to identify with characters with PC personality disorder.

I reject your "false choice" per characters.

I stated prior i hate any TV show post 2000............so only like "old shows"

where the characters are not asshole nor PC.

Your admitted ignorance about post 2000 TV does not give you the right to talk about any post 2000 TV.
You are just making an arse of yourself.

Your clear misunderstanding of Dexter is a case in point.

ya whatever,

care to post why you like to watch asshole TV?

- in the mean time - view Threads - which i took the time for you to watch.

and get back to me as to why you like to watch asshole TV/charcters that are assholes.

i.m curious as to why you like such crap.

[Sculptor]

I do not use YT as a TV source. The question was reasonable in the context.

As for Threads, thanks for the reminder. I saw it on TV in 1984 when the nuclear debate was a big political issue in the UK. Not thought about it since. There are several directors who use this naturalistic style to good effect in the UK. Seems to be a genre that the US fails with miserably. There was a US post nuclear film at that time, but it was more like a soap opera.
Shane Meadows is good at this method ; This is England series of films is highly recommended.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0276349/?re ... f_=nv_sr_1
And the master is Mike Leigh who gets his actors to improvise all the script, but has each scene develop from starting points with goals.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005139/?ref_=tt_ov_dr

Notable also is Bill Douglas, whose film "Comrades" wonderfully explains why there is such a thing as left wing politics with his film about the Tolpuddle Martyrs.

[Sculptor]

I reject your "false choice" per characters.

I stated prior i hate any TV show post 2000............so only like "old shows"

where the characters are not asshole nor PC.

Your admitted ignorance about post 2000 TV does not give you the right to talk about any post 2000 TV.
You are just making an arse of yourself.

Your clear misunderstanding of Dexter is a case in point.

ya whatever,

care to post why you like to watch asshole TV?

I don't watch any arsehole TV.
Maybe you should try watching some and end your ignorance?

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https://archive.org/details/threads_201712

I watched it on Canadian tv back when it was airing brand new.

It is a good movie. Realistic.

The most gripping scene for me was the line "Them bastards... they done it." That actually haunted me for days, weeks, maybe even years.

BUT.

There is no character development.
There is no moral story-line.
It is a documentary, very well made, made as if happened, of a hypothetical future event. That is fine, i have nothing against it. Except it's not an artistic film. It is a documentary, and you have to valuate it as such.

It is a very good film, a very good documentary.

When I watch a show I don't like to see a documentary. But that's just me.

When I saw it on Canadian tv first-run, it was titled not "thread" but "the day after the day after." The Americans had released a similar movie, "the day after" and this is a cover of that movie with a British accent.

I haven't seen the American movie, but I tell you, the British version of movie for tv was much better. The Amy make was too full of religious innuendoes.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I reject your "false choice" per characters.

I stated prior i hate any TV show post 2000............so only like "old shows"

where the characters are not asshole nor PC.




Dexter is the serial killer gone good (lol - i've not bothered to watch it, but my understanding is he tries to "one up" other serial killers - ie. so a good guy and catches them).

not realistic in the least, serial killers have no wish to turn in their kin. in the real wold Dexter would not bother either way being an egoist, the last thing he would do is aid in the capture of his kin.


I like to be able to identify with the character - and that leaves me out of TV since 2000 or so.

last show i actually liked and have the DVDs of (PAL only - not offered in US - but my DVD player playsback PAL so ok personally) is Journeyman.

12 yr old tv show (yes cancelled before its time, like Firefly).

The 'noble' serial killer. Could the yanks get any more depraved? What's next, a sit-com about a sassy paedophile with a heart of gold?

whatever, no quips about Limeys?

typical of you,

Embrace diversity. Don't be serialkillerphobic.

[ElizaNY]

Don't stop, make James Bond a lesbian, preferably transgender

[gaffo]

https://archive.org/details/threads_201712

I thank you for the intelligent reply toward me -1 (I agree fully with all you say in it - but wish to comment on some - not to dissagree, just to clarify me views of film/themes etc.

I watched it on Canadian tv back when it was airing brand new.

It is a good movie. Realistic.

The most gripping scene for me was the line "Them bastards... they done it." That actually haunted me for days, weeks, maybe even years.

Threads was shown in PBS in a years later - 85 or 86 (so i've been told, i was around then and rem seeing others Brit works via PBS - watership down for instance - but i missed the Threads offering, and so did not know of it until running accross it via YT around 2012 or so - copied the Netfix DVD rental, shortly after, and then bought the Shout Bluray of the same film a couple of years ago).

BUT.

There is no character development.
There is no moral story-line.
It is a documentary, very well made, made as if happened, of a hypothetical future event. That is fine, i have nothing against it. Except it's not an artistic film. It is a documentary, and you have to valuate it as such.

fully agree, its a "disaster flick" and so by its nature cannot offer a smaller picture (well it could it it wanted to - and be A Testement - type film (but the latter film is not so good in character dev (thought its nature was to be so - in otherwords A Testament is decent but not grand, and the former's nature was intended to be more global, so not able nor interested in character devolopment.

I understand the differing natures of films, and thier intend.

I love Threads - though hate disaster films in general because they lack personal/fleshed out characters - i love Threads because it is the most realistic (i.e. Post apocalypse reality on the ground - 10+ plus after - from the poor crops due to nuc winter to the cateracts and luckemia(sp) via loss of ozone, to the evolution of english into a new form due to no reading to fix it in form) - "Gizit" lol

the latter is what stuck with me, the mutation of language into "pig-english" 10 yrs after the complete breakdown of cizilization. (this is a SMART film, and including mutation of language shows this - along with the other 2 points about post war and colapse of civilization will offer the survivers.

It is a very good film, a very good documentary.

agreed.

When I watch a show I don't like to see a documentary. But that's just me.

ok, i like any good film myself - whatever their form.

The Bridge - about suiciders on the Golden Gate, and Somewhere Between - about Chinese American kids adopted in america stuck in their indentity as American or chinese - both are excellent documentaries with heart, but if you don't like docs, thats ok.

as for me i like any good film regardless of their form.

When I saw it on Canadian tv first-run, it was titled not "thread" but "the day after the day after." The Americans had released a similar movie, "the day after" and this is a cover of that movie with a British accent.

I haven't seen the American movie, but I tell you, the British version of movie for tv was much better. The Amy make was too full of religious innuendoes.

don't waster your time with The Day After - i saw it in 83? - it was the usual hollywood pap. you missed nothing Sir.

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I love more personal movies about character dev (in fact my fav films are good dramas)

the best one is The Lives of Others - where the mane character starts out is a true believer/patriot for East Germany (a Stazi agent) - we see him in his bland apartment paying for sex, then later forming an emotional connection with the man he is spying on (and seeing his boss as an opportunist, rather than a true believer), later we see him stealing a book on poetry from the man he is spying on and reading it (and become more that he was prior). i.e. we see him grow in outlook (not character - he was always a good man - just limited by is cultural indocrination as a patriot for East Germany)

its a top 5 movie of all time - due to the above reason.

others great movies are:

A face in the Crowd

Zelary

12 yrs a slave ("the master is a good man"......................."but he is a slaver!" - yes and yes. of course he still sold his slave to another(no man is perfect, even if a good man that owns slaves (and yes per the movie i think the "slaver" figured out his slave was a former freed man - but failed to free him and instead sold him (slaves cost as much money as a car/house)

Burmese Harp (last letter to his former solders near end of movie is very moving letter/scene)

Song of Sparrows - we see a man who first had his head on straight, then let money corrupt him for a time - until he saw the Ostriches in Tehran (the scene where the he has a "big bill" and tries to find change to pay the begger girl is priceless) - then he came back to his true self (a good man - knowing what is important in this life)

Color of Paradise - where a father is ashamed of his son for being a burden and blind - he is more concerned with his own plight - being a widower - fixating upon marrying a women rather than support his son - we see this - and when the father finally understands his son and that he (the father) should and wants to step up, its "too late" (but its not really, for the Father finally became a Father/man in the end).

The Hunt ( here the main character does not grow - he is fully a man of character from the beginning - its all others (outside of his son and his son's godfather - they stand by him from the start and are honourable men) - esp his "best friend" who sells him down the river via that man's wife/peir pressure - some "best friend" (if mine was such a pussy i'd shoot myself - after shooting him first - lol). the "friend" comes around, but long afterward. and a true friend would never had turned in the first place - wife or no wife!

August Evening - about Mex Americans living in west TX

Apu Trilogy (3 movies - all 1950's films) Bengali.

so, ya, i prefer character devolopment type moves over "documentaries" - the former make me feel and relate as human with a heart.

Threads does not do that, nor was intended to.

its intent was to show a realistic picture of a post ww3 world in lands involved in that war.

and with its fully bleak picture it did so fully.

-
two other "docutmentaries" that do so are the older

War Day

and

Culloden

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thanks for reply -1

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[vegetariantaxidermy]

Don't stop, make James Bond a lesbian, preferably transgender

Or a black, lesbian, differently-abled, muslim transvestite with Downs Syndrome....

[gaffo]

Don't stop, make James Bond a lesbian, preferably transgender

Or a black, lesbian, differently-abled, muslim transvestite with Downs Syndrome....

with ausbergers and ADD

[attofishpi]

Don't stop, make James Bond a lesbian, preferably transgender

Or a black, lesbian, differently-abled, muslim transvestite with Downs Syndrome....

with ausbergers and ADD

That's all very well, but let's not stoop to being American.

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Don't stop, make James Bond a lesbian, preferably transgender

Or a black, lesbian, differently-abled, muslim transvestite with Downs Syndrome....

with ausbergers and ADD

... and with a long beard, seven years dead in the grave, having died of Hep C due to unclean needle use... and a fatally radiant body, due to her recent involvement of the state-run company brothel at Chernobyl... not to mention her irresistible facial deformations due to leprosy.

GRR BRRR GIMME DAT WOMAN, I WANNA HER, MY PLATONIC IDEAL!!!

(She'll clean out at the Oscars, just watch.)

[PeteJ]

If we can have Mel Gibson as William Wallace and Kevin Costner as Robin Hood, then why not a black female James Bond?

I feel the French got it right when they refused to allow Hollywood to bowdlerise the life of Jean d'Arc.

As a older white bloke I find it increasingly difficult to find anything worth watching on TV. It seems to have abandoned information and entertainment for propaganda and social engineering.

As for female commentators for men's football and rugby, the only solution is to turn it off.

For the media-makers these days the general idea seems to be to encourage mysogeny.

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thanks for reply -1

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Most of the movies you listed I haven't seen. Honestly, just "Lives of Others" which is top-ranking in my lists, too, except you can only watch it once. To me the turning point in the spy's outlook was not a conscious decision, based on facts and arguments, but something entirely different-- it was Beethoven's Piano Concerto no. 7, which grabbed him and shook him until he cried and his old self died, to give him a new life.

Most movies I can't watch any more because they lose their ability to sustain my suspended disbelief. With a very few exceptions, this covers almost all movies made before the mid-sixties.

A comedy, exp. a satire, always wins my heart. It is easier for me to watch Life of Brian or The Holy Grail fifty times than to watch a Bela Tarr movie even once.

One of the most intelligently put-together action comedy, IF not the most intelligent, was "Snatch". I was riveted to my seat, and had to watch it six times (with at least a three-month gap between sessions) before I realized it had two story-lines running which never actualy met.

And I like absolutely silly, meaningless movies, as well, as long as they are funny. Such were the first four instalments of "scary movie", or else "Airplane", etc.

Of the Americans, I bow to and watch with awe the good movies of Woody Allen and of the Coen Brothers. Watch "Bullets over Broadway", please. If you have ever been involved in the creative arts side of writing, that is a magnificently put-together epic. In the 1960s Czechs produced a string of hilariously funny social satires, which never aired in Canada, because the content would have been lost for its double-antandre, for the viewers here. Three, off of the top of my head, were "Ecce Homo Homolka", "The Homolkas on the Pickle Tree", and "The Tattooed man". The humour in "Closely Watched Trains" was too subtle for me, I need more robust stuff. And I had developed such hatred for the bias of the author of the book "The Incredible Lightness of Being" that I boycotted the movie of the same title. That madafaka spake against everything I stand for: Rock music, long hair, dancing as if nobody was watching you, and people fucking -- while his heroes' fucking was all good, noble and god-like. That author makes me puke. He is more nationalistically fascist than Hitler, Attila the Hun, and Karl May put together in their written works. (Although I adored Karl May in my reading years, back at around 14-16 years of age.)

I also love action movies. The best wes of course the Bourne trilogy (the fourth installment was watchable, but not up to par). Hanna, Haywire. The Hunger Games was too visual on the expense of acting and storyline. Some Korean movie was made with the same ilk but different style and action as the Bourne, and the Brits made a good move of a bank robbery.

For psychological, I liked the Amy version of "The Point of No Return". Very much.

For philosophical content, I absolutely fell for "A Clockwork Orange" and "2001: A Space Odyssey." Their point was in diametric opposition to mine, but their presentation was impeccable.

[Sculptor]

If we can have Mel Gibson as William Wallace and Kevin Costner as Robin Hood, then why not a black female James Bond?

Because we do not want to repeat what were Bl*ody awful films.
"Dey woont tak ouwr freeedum!!!"

You might as well cast John Wayne as Ghengis Khan!