How can we defeat "us vs. them" mentality?

[Age]

But I know what the Self is.

This is because I exist and I know who, and what, I am.

Good for you.

As for me..The unknown known is a fictional character.

Unknowing knowns are sourced and already couched within the mystery of being...known only to the mystery itself.

There is no way to cross the horizon of the mystery that will ever evade any attempt to approach it and know it absolutely.

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Yet here I am having done it already.

Also remember absolutely every now known thing was once also a mystery.

[Nick_A]

Age

What is the difference between 'you' and 'animal Man'?

I am animal Man. Through knowing it I have certain advantages . I am aware that I am dual natured and how much of me is reactive animal. At the same time I have moments of self awareness and flashes of consciousness giving me an indication of the conscious potential for humanity in the context of the reality of the fallen human condition.

[gaffo]

Is it possible to break down "us vs. them" mentality? How?

I suggest:

* Ban on team sports on large/nationwide levels.

* Ban on non-professional uniforms (police officers should carry a uniform as part of their profession, but uniforms symbolizing an ideology or religion should be banned - like Ku-Klux-Klan-uniforms and niqab etc.). Also, school uniforms should be banned.

* Abolish conscription in countries where any such thing exists.

* Make it legal to desecrate private possessions of national symbols (ie. if you own a flag of your own country, you should be free to burn it).

* Other bans on nationalism.

none of the above. there is noting wrong with pride of one's nation as long as said nation supports good ideals, gov is not corrupt/etc.

cure is the throw tribalism under the fking bus!

than means to remove Politcal Correctness/Mulitculturalism into the dustbin of historical trash.

and RETURN to Assimilation/Melting Pot concepts of "citizenship"

"from many one"

we are all the same! - champion our common humanity - what we have in common - which is 99 percent. and ignore the 1-pecent differnce (eyes/skin tone, hair, etc bullshit!).

THIS is what we in America (and other nations too????) did from 1940? to 1980 did!!!!!!!! than this PC shit took over ;-( and now we have Ruwanda and Yuglavia here in America (and in other nations?)

i hate HATE multiculturalism!

[gaffo]

nuclear weapons and mutually assured destruction...

-Imp

That might work on global level between the most powerful nations.

I'm asking: How can we defeat "us vs. them" mentality from the root - down to the smallest level - human to human, in workplaces, in small neighboring towns/communities etc.?

well.........the internet was working toward than for 20 yrs.

until "Socail media" ruined it and turned the net into AOL-ification,

now just a dumbed down "TV" now.

so nope, the net is no longer what it was and so kiss the "Global village" goodbye via that - since folks are to dumb to reject facefuck, and remand to be twitter twits.

[gaffo]

People should start becoming individuals and stop belonging to any particular group.

yes, but that requires courage.

[gaffo]

It's rooted deep in human nature due to genetic memory, it can be reversed temporarily by "group think" having a strong pacifistic leader, once such leader either are dead, disliked or overwhelming hate takes over people will revert back to their primitive caveman nature.

the cold war worked in this regard,

as did ww2 prior.

...........

no fear, china will offer the solution ;-/.

in 10-20 yrs.

[gaffo]

It's rooted deep in human nature due to genetic memory, it can be reversed temporarily by "group think" having a strong pacifistic leader, once such leader either are dead, disliked or overwhelming hate takes over people will revert back to their primitive caveman nature.

Except of course that primitive caveman nature was much more likely to be co-operative given the world they lived in.

regionally cooperative, making war on other tribes when needed.

[gaffo]

Just look for what we have in common with each other. Then, at least we can band together according to real issues and not artificial constructs such as nation, race, gender, and so forth.

yep!

sadly PC/Multiculturalism denies this - in fact makes war on your mentality of unity.

We must be different, and must fixate on the differences, hate those outside of us and blame them for our plight.

[gaffo]

Truthfully there is NO "them" existing anyway.

That's right. And no, "we," or, "us," either.

If there is no "us", then what is there (or here)?

YOU - of course.

[gaffo]

The most contentious form of "us versus them" mentality is climate change denial. To use this form of tribalism as an example, one way to overcome tribalism is to understand the history of anti-intellectualism in the US, and the distribution patterns of anti-intellectualism on the map of the USA.

The US is not the only nation where climate deniers can be found however it is a glaring example of anti-intellectualism formally headed by President Trump.

climate change denial is far from the worst plight we have (climate change is slow, we can have 100 more yrs of denial - it will not matter). also it don't matter because we are too far into ruining the evironment to reverse, i.e. the earth will warm regardless of attempts of reversal or denial of the facts).

in 2300 there will be 20 climate change deniers - ankle deap in miami or somesuch, the rest of us will have abandoned our costel cities by 2-miles and built inward from the below water houses of last century.

no.

our worst problem is our ignorance of CIVIC's - which we stopped teaching in school 30 yrs ago - so there is no knowledge or appreciation of our system of gov (and no demand to fix its corruption which only increases every year).

3nd worse is our refusal to think of convervation! - so instead of driving small cars, scooters, motorcycles, wear sweaters (Gawd bless Carter!)..................we dream of buying "electric cars" while accepting straws at all restuarants (staws for water!!!!!!!???? WTF? they started that shit - what 25 yrs ago? and on one notices nor cares? - "ok i take it for fill the landfills"..........duh! fkthat! - and the fking plastic forks/spoons!

drink your water with your fking lips and throw that fking straw back to the waiter! there was no straw prior to the mid 90's.

oh and fuck your bottled water while you are at it - what is next bottle air? - drink from the tap like we all did prior to 1990!

FUCK!
people are ignorant!

.............

oh i'm green because to drive a fking electic SUV!!!!!!!!!!!! fk people!

.................

live in a TINY HOME, ride a scooter, drink tap water, recycle as last resort - so refuse the straw, do not buy produce wrapped in plastic, walk to your store, ride the bike - don't drive.

Coal? - oh how evil!!!!!!!! no it is a source of energy - 40 pecent now (used to be 60) - gasoline? yes been around for 150 yrs, will be for another 150 yrs - sorry thems the facts, batteries still suck and only the rich who like to virtue signal drive electric cars that cost more them my small house.

us pleabs with concience drive yaris (standards - for stick shift give more power and better milage than automatics - europeans know this, but americans are too dumb and lazy to take 6 hours to learn how to drive a standards since the 1990's), and live in small homes and think about concervation.

the rest of the pleabs drive fking SUVS - must drive a tank to make my family safe (to lazy for to learn to stick-shift so make my SUV an Auto) - talk green and dream of the day they too can be green and drive an electic tank!!!!!!!!!!!

pathetic!!!!!!!!

[gaffo]

The most contentious form of "us versus them" mentality is climate change denial. To use this form of tribalism as an example, one way to overcome tribalism is to understand the history of anti-intellectualism in the US, and the distribution patterns of anti-intellectualism on the map of the USA.

The US is not the only nation where climate deniers can be found however it is a glaring example of anti-intellectualism formally headed by President Trump.

What about abortions. Climate change might change, as it is prone to change. Abortions are here to stay.

not in america, i think it is likely Row vs Wade will be reversed in the next 20 yrs.

then Abortions will go back to the States, as it was prior to 1970.

in the 60's around 1/4? of the states had legal abortion.

than means anyone in Alabama will have to hitch a bus/car and drive to New York to get an Abortion (a legal one)

or a coat hanger in a Mobil alley.

[gaffo]

The better question is why people have the need to create us-and-them scenarios. I firmly believe this happens for basically one reason: for securing needed but scanty resources.

The us-and-them mentality has also encroached ideological differences, which have little or nothing to do with resource allocation, but it happens because for each strife, war, fight, an ideological carrier is needed to psychologically prepare the warriors for fight; ideology has become such integrally needed part of strife, that it took a life of its very own.

exactly!

pure wisdom sir!

you are wise for sure!

i bow to you.

...........lead me................;-/.

um no.............

but ya, you are wise.

[gaffo]

But there's also another reason namely a diseased sense of superiority best exemplified by China in my imo. From the 15th to the 19th century they literally isolated themselves from the rest of the world thinking themselves inherently superior and self-sustaining hardly requiring interchange with other nations.

China? tell me more.

i know Japan had this mentality for sometime - from 13th? to mid 19th century.

we fixed that though - lol. only took 10 yrs.

It's the kind of arrogance which can be seen in action to this day never having left the Chinese psyche. There's definitely a "Them" barrier between East & West as though "Them" were an improvised semi-alien connotation.

I don;t know of this psyche of the Chinese you speak of, tell me more.

i do know they suffer from an inferiority complex - having been beaten by the Japanese - and still harbor hate toward Japan (and Japan playing the French game of never addressing thier evil acts only reinforces China's hate toward them). this inferiority complex is what fuels their nationalism (same for the Persians - and Arab nations overall (Iran is also fueled by the overthrow of Mosideck and installation of the Shah by Brits/US) - arabs HAD a great culture, until 1200 or so, then it stagnated and Europe overtook them.

[gaffo]

diseased sense of superiority best exemplified by China

I'd like to know more about this. i just don't see the Chinese as arrogant.

i just don't.

the only arrogant people/gov i see - thinking off hand - is Israel (namely thier treatment of the Palistinians as undermuchin)

Brits were arrogant from 1850 - 1945, then got their hat handed to them via the lose of Empire.

South Africans were from 1930 to 1993 - then not so after fall of Apartied

America was from post ww2, but since 911 has really lost much of here arrogance - esp after losing Iranam and now soon Afghanistan. america has retreated on the world stage.................and china is steping up, singed an agreement with Sci Lanka for a port there, and now are colonizing most of Africa, including ports along the eastern side of that continent.

and of course thier 2000 mile road - the "Silk road", including military bases and trading centers in northern Pakistan.

but arrogance/supporiority mentality of the Chinese? i don;t see that myself. just smart national self interest and building of empire.

[gaffo]

Must us and them express a damaging negative mentality? Can we grow to appreciate our differences. As the French say: "vive la difference."

I would not quote the French, they were collaborators, a large minority of french supported German occupation of thier nation and were Nazi, her gov the Vichy fully collaborated with the Germans, and when France was independant 39-40 she set on the Magiot line and didn't do shit while the Poles were being alialated.

fact is the French had a bigger army and better tanks than the Germans and the Germans moved 85-pecent of their entire army to the EAST to invade Poland.

so France had 4 weeks to INVADE Germany from the west, and did noting.

then allowed germany to take them over 6 months later.

the Poles had 1/5th the army and airforce of the French and held out for 4 weeks, the surrender monkeys with 5 times the army held out one more week.

Why not? Must differences be hated? Of course they must be the closer we are exposed to truth. This is why Jesus and Socrates had to be killed. They were different. I often wonder if intolerance is a quality we are born with or if it is learned. But whichever it is, it does seem to be a waste of emotional energy.

those guys were killed because they were a threat to the State, nothing more. Rome killed Jesus, and Athen's killed Socrates.