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dave_
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Can you explain this article about lacan and death drive?

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It is not that i am lazy but i dont understand lacan enough yet.I read this article a couple of times but couldnt understant some parts.

These are:

How does one rejects symbolic order?

How does the notion that people seek pleasure and avoid pain inherent in the symbolic order?

Why after rejecting symbolic order one experiences pleasure through pain?
The death drive defined by psychoanalyst Jacques Lacan does not describe literal death, but death within the symbolic order. After having rejected the symbolic order composed of language, conceptualization and categorization, however, the subject persists. Slavoj Zizek describes this existence as a living death: those who continue after refuting the symbolic order are essentially undead. And this mode of existence gives form to destruction – death in form – so that those subjects who come back to life after rejecting the symbolic universe come back anew; they are no longer the subjects who were part of the symbolic order.

This obscene continuation of life, a mockery of the symbolic order itself, is nonetheless still within the symbolic order, according to Lacan. But now the agent derives pleasure from pain: he or she has gone past the pleasure principle, the notion that people seek pleasure and avoid pain, inherent in the symbolic order. Thus, suffering or pain is now the means through which one experiences pleasure. The subject enjoys being rejected by the symbolic order, enjoys refusing the enjoyment offered within the symbolic order. For example, a subject who rejects capitalism will enjoy having less; a loner who has rejected companionship will enjoy his or her isolation. In essence, the symbolic order is resuscitated and reversed to satisfy the perverse – or negative – nature of the undead subject.

So the subject does not completely escape the symbolic order, he or she recreates it to satisfy an undying urge to continue: dead but alive; living yet dead. In other words, the death drive is obsessession with continuation, not death itself, which is why it is the continuation that is important in conceptualizing the death drive: it is not the cessation of life but its continuation in the form of death. Because, at the core of all motivation, of all movement, is nothing. Therefore, when the symbolic order is destroyed, the nothingness of existence simply creates another one to honor the ceaseless drive to continue.

The death drive is a fate worse than death because even if the subject wants to, he or she cannot die, since the drive’s process is impersonal. One is an eternal slave to endless movement, to continuation, and is thus passively immortal. And the symbolic order, and subsequently the subject him or herself, is constructed around this emptiness of motion, which is the void.

But, as the eternal void in motion, the death drive is also the breeding ground for all subjectivity and the symbolic order itself. So, at the end, the disintegrating symbolic order and subject meet their beginning: the nothingness in which all was and will be created. Therefore, there was nothing before there was something, literally, and this active nothing is the death drive.
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I was on Google and came across my article copied and pasted on this website. The original title was "Definition of Jacques Lacan's Death Drive" and was published July 8, 2010 on Helium (now defunct). So I decided to create an account and answer your questions.

The symbolic order consists of the language you depend on to create categories and through which you create and organize meaning, which is limited by your language and the symbols given meaning in your particular culture. You reject the symbolic order by rejecting the system of language and meaning fed to you by this world. In today's world, the media and school system provide the symbolic order; they tell people what's valuable, what's in style, what's embarrassing, what we should buy, what we should strive for, what we should do with our time, who we should admire. So the media and school system give us our symbolic order and use language to attach meaning to different things and categorize different ideas.

An example of rejecting the recognized symbolic order would be to do something that most people would consider odd. Why do they see it as odd? Because the media and school system have not given it a positive or approved value within the accepted current symbolic order. Symbolic orders are plastic and change over time. For example, you can use a different word to describe an object, type of person, or event and change a positive connotation to a negative one in the minds of people--you've altered the symbolic order. In today's accepted symbolic order, people generally embrace pleasure and flee from pain. So if a person were to embrace pain and reject pleasure or redefine pain as pleasure, it would be considered outside of the generally accepted current symbolic order. Look at advertisements; they are generally either presenting a solution to end pain or luring people to experience more pleasure. Sadomasochism, for example, is therefore only a subculture, something hidden and shameful and not accepted in the current symbolic order.

To reject the symbolic order is to go against it, to form meanings that go against those imposed on you by the current accepted symbolic order. For example, if you don't wear perfume or deodorant, that is actually rejecting part of the symbolic order because commercials have put into the minds of people that a perfume smell means "cleaner." So the words "bath" and "cleaner" have become associated with "perfume" and "deodorant." See how the media uses language and images to attach meaning to different things in our minds?

When people reject the current symbolic order, they are rejected by society, labeled insane, odd, strange. They are isolated because they can no longer relate to the majority, who have accepted their media and school indoctrination. Evolution is taught in schools nowadays, so a creationist Bible-believer would be rejecting the symbolic order and would therefore be placed in a negative category in the minds of the majority.
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