Is sex-selective abortion an immoral thing to do?

[Belinda]

If Immanuel prevents a woman having her abortion he will, like any other responsible person, support the mother and child until the child becomes an adult.

[henry quirk]

If a woman unjustly kills another: she is tried and, if convicted, punished.

Again, the question is plain: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?

[Immanuel Can]

If Immanuel prevents a woman having her abortion he will, like any other responsible person, support the mother and child until the child becomes an adult.

So...let me get this straight.

If you decide to have irresponsible sexual activity with somebody, fail to use contraception, or get pregnant but then decide you don't want the child for some reason, then you go to murder your female child, and I tell you it's still wrong, then you want me to pay you money? That's your theory?

In that case, it would seem that you wish me to pay for your misbehaviour, your incompetence and your bad judgment, and then you want to implicate me for allegedly making it objectively wrong for you to murder your own female child (Because remember: we're talking about sex-selective abortion...you're just murdering a little girl for being a little girl. If she were a boy, you'd keep her -- and not even imagine you could have reason to involve me at all.)

Finally, doubtless you'll even try to tell me that if I think that's absurd I must therefore lack compassion...because the life of any little girl just doesn't count if her murderer doesn't want her. You want to say that?

Wow. You might think that 's some kind of moral point; but it just looks to me like a cascade of total moral bankruptcy. I don't even know what to say to an argument that bad.

[Belinda]

But disparaging or punishing the mother and child won't help you or anyone else. Unwanted pregnancies are a problem that your disapproval fails to deal with. Unwanted and uncared for children are a problem for society. Ranting about "murder" and who is to blame don't help in fact people like you are a minor part of the problem

[henry quirk]

Mebbe, if they're unwanted, they might be avoided 'before' instead of dealt with 'after'.

Birth control?

Abstinence?

Both seem a helluva lot easier (and cheaper) than an invasive procedure.

But: what the hell do I know...I'm just a guy.

[Immanuel Can]

But disparaging or punishing the mother and child won't help you or anyone else.

The non-mother is not being disparaged...she's being encouraged not to murder someone. And the female child is being saved from being cut into pieces and flushed down a sink.

That looks like a win, all the way around.

Unwanted pregnancies are a problem that your disapproval fails to deal with.

"Unwanted" is a terrifying term. Jews were "unwanted" in Germany. Kulaks were "unwanted" in Russia. And now it's female babies. God help us all.

However, sex-selection pregnancies are 100% wanted pregnancies. The male children are very "wanted." All that's "not wanted" is female children. So that's yet another terrible argument.

Unwanted and uncared for children are a problem for society.

Actually, people are desperate to adopt babies. They can't get enough of them, enough healthy ones, and get them young enough. Any woman who did not want a female child could bring the baby to term and give her to an adoption agency. What's the rationale for killing her, except the utterly selfish and wicked decision of the "mother" that she can't stand the thought of somebody else making her baby happy?

In a sex-selection abortion, were it a boy the woman would do everything in the world for her child. But now, since it's a girl, she's "unwanted" and this so-called "mother" murders her for no other reason than sex-preference.

Blame is quite appropriate in that case. I think anyone can see that the "mother" is performing an action of deep wickedness.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

It was your words...

It was your "logic."

Your words but my logic? WTF? You are even more insane than I previously thought.
And seriously? You genuinely believe that YOU are the one with the logical argument? Every single point I have made is true. Why do you think the anti-choice movement is made up entirely of religious nuts? Why do you think its leaders feel the need to spread lies? People with facts on their side don't need to lie.
I can see this is all a waste of time. The brains of religious nuts simply don't function in a way that makes them capable of being reasoned with.
Your 'argument' is based entirely on religious superstition. The drivel you write is nothing more than a smokescreen. Are you even aware that you are doing this??
Just like daschund, no one seriously believes that you and gun-worshipping Henry spend any time whatsoever crying over the embryos of people you have never heard of, will never meet, and in all likelihood would look down your nose at if you did.
Perhaps this bit of logic will be simple enough for your messy little 'brain': why all the faux 'concern' for embryos, yet none for them once they are born? Anti-choicers are invariably anti-welfare as well, so clearly they don't care if children starve, are abused, neglected, unloved.....
You do inevitably give your true misogynistic agenda away often however. Your 'women dragging men into court' comment was a prime example that you tried to weasel your way out of, bizzarely claiming that it was something I wrote, and then something I seemed to write.
Thankfully kristianity is losing its power-- and its leaders know it. Women don't sit around and take shit from religious institutions any more, or put up with arseholes they don't know from Adam having control over their reproductive choices.
As Henry pointed out, women are going to have abortions whether it's legal or not, in fact countries that have limited or no access to safe, legal abortion have higher abortion rates than those that do. So there's another fun fact that blows your 'I care about life' act right out the window.

Typically 'sensitive' comment from you btw: 'people are desperate to adopt' (I take it you have a houseful of other people's unwanted children, and an empty bank account because you spend everything you make on supporting as many disadvantaged children as you can).
Hmm. Desperate to adopt white babies. And of course you don't give a shit about what going through a pregnancy and then having to give a baby to some stranger does to a woman's mental health, while spreading the bullshit anti-choice movement lies about the 'suffering' that abortion causes women (give me a break). The 'suffering' women endure is about equal to the 'suffering' they have every month when they have a period. You don't give a damn about women dying from backstreet abortions, so there goes your 'argument' that you are concerned about 'protecting life' (ummm, embryos die in backstreet abortions too, dear).
You don't have a clue about anything really.

[Immanuel Can]

I can see this is all a waste of time.

Ah, a note of complete agreement at last.

On that happy note, I bid you farewell.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I can see this is all a waste of time.

Ah, a note of complete agreement at last.

On that happy note, I bid you farewell.

Ever the dishonest kristian. You have exceeded expectations.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I've made the most important parts really big, to make it easier for you. I have a feeling you can't read whole paragraphs.

''People have abortions all the time, regardless of what the law says
Ending a pregnancy is a common decision that millions of people make - every year a quarter of pregnancies end in abortion.

And regardless of whether abortion is legal or not, people still require and regularly access abortion services. According to the Guttmacher Institute, a US-based reproductive health non-profit, the abortion rate is 37 per 1,000 people in countries that prohibit abortion altogether or allow it only in instances to save a woman’s life, and 34 per 1,000 people in countries that broadly allow for abortion, a difference that is not statistically significant.

When undertaken by a trained health-care provider in sanitary conditions, abortions are one of the safest medical procedures available, safer even than child birth.

But when governments restrict access to abortions, people are compelled to resort to clandestine, unsafe abortions, particularly those who cannot afford to travel or seek private care. Which brings us to the next point.

Criminalising abortion does not stop abortions, it just makes abortion less safe
Preventing women and girls from accessing an abortion does not mean they stop needing one. That’s why attempts to ban or restrict abortions do nothing to reduce the number of abortions, it only forces people to seek out unsafe abortions.

Unsafe abortions are defined by the World Health Organisation (WHO) as “a procedure for terminating an unintended pregnancy carried out either by persons lacking the necessary skills or in an environment that does not confirm to minimal medical standards, or both.”

They estimate that 22 million unsafe abortions take place each year, the vast majority of which occur in developing countries.

In contrast to a legal abortion that is carried out by a trained medical provider, unsafe abortions can have fatal consequences. So much so that unsafe abortions are the third leading cause of maternal deaths worldwide and lead to an additional five million largely preventable disabilities, according to WHO.

[Gary Childress]

Internet memes aren't my favorites things, but this one does a pretty good job of making a very powerful point concerning the absurdity of the typical values that American conservatism seems to uphold.

[Immanuel Can]

Internet memes aren't my favorites things, but this one does a pretty good job of making a very powerful point concerning the absurdity of the typical values that American conservatism seems to uphold.

So Gary, are you in favour of women executing female babies in preference for male ones?

Just asking.

[Gary Childress]

Internet memes aren't my favorites things, but this one does a pretty good job of making a very powerful point concerning the absurdity of the typical values that American conservatism seems to uphold.

So Gary, are you in favour of women executing female babies in preference for male ones?

Just asking.

No. I'm not in favor of any kind of abortion, except where it's necessary to save the mother's life. I stated my position back on the first page.

[Immanuel Can]

No. I'm not in favor of abortion. I stated my position back on the first page.

Ah yes...it's been awhile.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Internet memes aren't my favorites things, but this one does a pretty good job of making a very powerful point concerning the absurdity of the typical values that American conservatism seems to uphold.

So Gary, are you in favour of women executing female babies in preference for male ones?

Just asking.

No. I'm not in favor of any kind of abortion, except where it's necessary to save the mother's life. I stated my position back on the first page.

Then you are as big a fool a ick. Why the hell would you have ANY opinion on it except that it's none of your damn business? YOU are never going to need one so butt out!