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Walker wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 2:58 pm Because, you are of the earf, and conditions are limited for the liberation of potentiality, thus, all must be detected within less than all, so you must imagine what is based on known causation and that is your limitation ... whether or not you are conscious of the dynamic.
Think of me as modified intelligence without any consciousness at all.
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One of the effects of spin is drawing people away from one subject and onto another subject. So, how did the Russians use that tactic to influence people's train of thought? Has that tactic been noticed?
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Let me give you a more pertinent example.

Do we want Clinton or Trump who are constantly trying to prove their intelligence or do we want AI who is content with its intelligence?

Is ego a good thing?
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jayjacobus wrote: Sat May 04, 2019 1:13 am Let me give you a more pertinent example.

Do we want Clinton or Trump who are constantly trying to prove their intelligence or do we want AI who is content with its intelligence?

Is ego a good thing?
Objective metrics favour Trump. Clinton is a doofus. AI is too robotic, and Obama skates by with nary a mention.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/ ... -in-april/
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Larel says, "You remind me of the guy."

Hardy says, "What guy?"
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Does Biden say to Trump,

"How do you do to me, what you do to me?

If I knew how you do to me, what you do to me, I would do it to you.

But I haven't a clue."

???
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Candidate 1 may call candidate 2 a clown but that is ineffectual because candidate 2 is not a clown, doesn't have a clown's purpose and "clown" doesn't get the public to think critically.

A better label is "manipulative candidate" because that draws the public to think critically about candidate 2. There may be an even better label that I haven't considered.
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jayjacobus wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 9:09 pm One of the effects of spin is drawing people away from one subject and onto another subject. So, how did the Russians use that tactic to influence people's train of thought? Has that tactic been noticed?
Here, you are describing pivot, as for example:

Q: Has that tactic been noticed?

A: You’re asking me who has noticed this methodology, but the real question is how long are the American people going to have to wait until the Democrats stop targeting Republicans just for being honest? In 1988 the Republicans stood ready to lower taxes by an average of 33% for every American in the most desirable tax brackets but the Democrats accused Republicans of trying to close the Panama Canal. Now we know that the Republican-led House had to move to block the Democrats from ruining the US economy by paying for the questionable repairs that weren’t probably necessary anyway but the Democrats wanted to raise your taxes anyway. But let me say this, the Republican Party has always been in favor of a strong US economy...
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the Russians are my main concern. I cannot get you to focus on real threats. You want to focus on your perceived threats.
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commonsense wrote: Sun May 05, 2019 5:47 pm
jayjacobus wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 9:09 pm One of the effects of spin is drawing people away from one subject and onto another subject. So, how did the Russians use that tactic to influence people's train of thought? Has that tactic been noticed?
Here, you are describing pivot, as for example:

Q: Has that tactic been noticed?

A: You’re asking me who has noticed this methodology, but the real question is how long are the American people going to have to wait until the Democrats stop targeting Republicans just for being honest? In 1988 the Republicans stood ready to lower taxes by an average of 33% for every American in the most desirable tax brackets but the Democrats accused Republicans of trying to close the Panama Canal. Now we know that the Republican-led House had to move to block the Democrats from ruining the US economy by paying for the questionable repairs that weren’t probably necessary anyway but the Democrats wanted to raise your taxes anyway. But let me say this, the Republican Party has always been in favor of a strong US economy...
Spin, on the other hand, as many have already described it, is the process of turning a negative into a positive about oneself or turning a positive into a negative about one’s opposition. For example, as in:

It has been reported that Sheriff Joe’s inmates are forced to live in baking hot heat under the Arizona sun and they have no electricity to use at night for lighting. Nothing could be further from the truth. These prisoners are given the option of sleeping and eating in soft sided dormitories where they can have prayer groups and AA meetings by the light of the stars under the Arizona skies at night. We should all thank Sheriff Joe for providing such comfortable surroundings for his prisoners.
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Russian intelligence has no limitations.

American intelligence is limited by the constitution, ethics, law and jurisdiction. Also, public opinion can be manipulated to question the use of intelligence gathering. The CIA is limited to what it can do to protect us. The people in the CIA are patriots. Russian agents have a dark intent. By focusing on the little picture you may miss the big picture.

Whether we are democrats or Republicans, we all care about the USA. We should come together against the Russian's ominous influence first and foremost.
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Impenitent wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 10:05 pm dreidle, dreidle, dreidle...

-Imp
I made you out of clay...
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Walker wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 7:44 am Spin is misdirection, e.g., P.C. focus on the possibility of Islamophobia, rather than focusing on the reality of “Christophobia.”

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Archbishop Says Christians Slaughtered ‘Like Chickens’ in Nigeria

A Nigerian archbishop has decried the slaughter of Christians in his country and the media silence surrounding it, declaring that “Christians are being killed like chickens.”

https://www.breitbart.com/africa/2019/0 ... n-nigeria/#
What you have here is a definite example of misdirection, but it isn’t an example of spin.

Spin isn’t misdirection, although it is intended to deceive. Spin is a matter of utilizing a fictional positive description to describe an actual negative person, place or thing, or the converse as well. Spin doesn’t change the subject; it just tries to change the worth of the subject from negative to positive or vice versa.
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You are right.

Am I a rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief?

Do I have tells and what are they?

Perhaps I am hiding or being deceptive.

If you don't know me, how can you tell?
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