Einstein on the train

[Age]

HOW am I supposedly making this worse?

YOU call me a "fucking liar", for a reason, and then YOU PRODUCE the ACTUAL EVIDENCE, yourself, which PROVES that I did NOT liar at all. So, who IS making things worse, for them self here?

You used TWO undefined words ( 'facts' and 'information') to define ONE undefined word ( 'evidence' ).

But the Truth IS I will ALWAYS use undefined words to define words. Would it even be possible to define words IN the word itself?

Explain to us readers here how we could define a word, with defined words?

EVERY word, used to define ONE word, is undefined. This is just the Nature of words and how they are used.

Until you define 'facts' and 'information' you haven't defined 'evidence'.

But I DO NOT CARE.

Also, I HAVE defined the word 'evidence'. Although I may NOT have defined the word 'evidence' FOR YOU. But as explained this might be because you are VERY SLOW to learn and understand, some times.

Even if I define them FOR YOU. You CAN and WILL change that definition into your OWN definition to fit in with and correspond with your OWN ALREADY HELD ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS. So, it would NOT matter how ANY person defines ANY word FOR YOU. As long as you MAINTAIN those very strongly HELD ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, then you WILL DEFINE ALL words ANY way that you WANT TO, and CHOOSE TO.

So it is obvious to EVERYBODY watching. Here. That you DID NOT define 'evidence'.

But this is NOT correct at all. SOME have SEEN where I HAVE ALREADY CLEARLY defined the word 'evidence'. There 'evidence' for this is WHERE 'IT IS WRITTEN', What some, however, ALSO SEE here is your misbehavior of STUBBORNNESS and RIDICULOUSNESS, which as it appears is so you can GET some sort of ATTENTION, is becoming more and more OBVIOUS.

[Logik]

But the Truth IS I will ALWAYS use undefined words to define words. Would it even be possible to define words IN the word itself?

Why are you asking me this if you know THE TRUTH?

I HAVE ALREADY CLEARLY defined the word 'evidence'.

Liar. You OBFUSCATED the word 'evidence' by referring to 'facts' and 'information'.

We had one undefined word. Now we have three! If you keep going like this we are going to have 100 undefined words by the end of the day...

[Age]

Most humans wouldn't agree with it.

YOU are OBVIOUSLY NOT reading the ACTUAL words I write.

MAYBE it is BETTER to CAPITALIZE some words so that they CAN be SEEN, contrary to popular belief.

I NEVER said that human WOULD agree. The OBVIOUS TRUTH IS some ADULT human beings WILL NOT agree with some things.

Also, what IS "it", which you TALK ABOUT HERE?

And, HOW do you KNOW "most humans would NOT agree with "IT"?

What if all those known things are just the thoughts of you, the human?

WHAT are you TALKING about now?

From what you have written here you have NOT understood ANY thing I wrote. AND, I ONLY wrote eight words.

INSTEAD of ASSUMING some things WHY NOT ask some things INSTEAD. That way you CAN and WILL UNDERSTAND.

Again: why do you believe that you know what every one could agree with?

AGAIN, ANOTHER adult human being who keeps using the 'believe' word in relation to ME. How many times do I have to keep INFORMING you adult human beings that I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing BEFORE you can comprehend it and understand it?

Obviously WHY I KNOW what EVERY one could agree is because that is OBVIOUS.

Do you NOT know what EVERY one could agree with?

If yes, then that might be because you are NOT yet OPEN enough.
If no, then great.

By the way WHY did you start with the word "again" for? You have NEVER asked that question BEFORE.

Also, are you NOT going to clarify for me ANY of the clarifying questions I asked you?

[Atla]

YOU are OBVIOUSLY NOT reading the ACTUAL words I write.

MAYBE it is BETTER to CAPITALIZE some words so that they CAN be SEEN, contrary to popular belief.

I NEVER said that human WOULD agree. The OBVIOUS TRUTH IS some ADULT human beings WILL NOT agree with some things.

Also, what IS "it", which you TALK ABOUT HERE?

And, HOW do you KNOW "most humans would NOT agree with "IT"?



WHAT are you TALKING about now?

From what you have written here you have NOT understood ANY thing I wrote. AND, I ONLY wrote eight words.

INSTEAD of ASSUMING some things WHY NOT ask some things INSTEAD. That way you CAN and WILL UNDERSTAND.

Again: why do you believe that you know what every one could agree with?

AGAIN, ANOTHER adult human being who keeps using the 'believe' word in relation to ME. How many times do I have to keep INFORMING you adult human beings that I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing BEFORE you can comprehend it and understand it?

Obviously WHY I KNOW what EVERY one could agree is because that is OBVIOUS.

Do you NOT know what EVERY one could agree with?

If yes, then that might be because you are NOT yet OPEN enough.
If no, then great.

By the way WHY did you start with the word "again" for? You have NEVER asked that question BEFORE.

Also, are you NOT going to clarify for me ANY of the clarifying questions I asked you?

Even most of your clarifying questions are lies or nonsensical, so no thanks.

Why do you believe that it's obvious what every one could agree with?

[Age]

You asked me to defined the word 'Universe'. I said, if I recall correctly, ALL-THERE-IS or Everything.

So, I DID define 'Universe' for you.

No you haven't!

You have used TWO NEW UNDEFINED WORDS: 'ALL' and "EVERYTHING' while attempting to define 'Universe'.

Until you sufficiently define 'ALL' and "EVERYTHING' you can't say that you have defined 'UNIVERSE' either!

But I have sufficiently defined the word 'Universe' FOR ME. And, that is ALL that really matters here. SO, I HAVE SUFFICIENTLY defined the word 'Universe'.

If you nor I can NOT sufficiently define words FOR YOU, then it is NO use asking "another" to define words FOR YOU, because as I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED YOU WILL ONLY go and change that definition ANYWAY.

[Logik]

But I have sufficiently defined the word 'Universe' FOR ME. And, that is ALL that really matters here. SO, I HAVE SUFFICIENTLY defined the word 'Universe'.

That is not the kind of attitude one expects from somebody who is here to "learn to communicate". The definition is not FOR YOU.

The definition is for YOUR READERS.

Why are you robbing your readers of the opportunity to understand what you mean?

I think you were lying about your intentions all along and I think your readers agree with me.

[Age]

But the Truth IS I will ALWAYS use undefined words to define words. Would it even be possible to define words IN the word itself?

Why are you asking me this if you know THE TRUTH?

To SEE just how Honest and OPEN you REALLY ARE.

Each time you REFUSE to answer my clarifying questions, the MORE you are REVEALING, about your REAL self.

I HAVE ALREADY CLEARLY defined the word 'evidence'.

Liar. You OBFUSCATED the word 'evidence' by referring to 'facts' and 'information'.

LOL You can NOT now get ANY more ridiculous.

We had one undefined word. Now we have three! If you keep going like this we are going to have 100 undefined words by the end of the day...

LOL I could have INFORMED you of this BEFORE we even began.

Did you just come to this realization ONLY now?

[Logik]

Each time you REFUSE to answer my clarifying questions, the MORE you are REVEALING, about your REAL self.

So what do you reveal about your REAL self when you refuse to define the words you are using?

LOL I could have INFORMED you of this BEFORE we even began.

Did you just come to this realization ONLY now?

Well, I know how to define 'information'. I am trying to establish if our definitions are the same.

But you just keep refusing to define it!

You want my definition? Here:

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[Age]

Again: why do you believe that you know what every one could agree with?

AGAIN, ANOTHER adult human being who keeps using the 'believe' word in relation to ME. How many times do I have to keep INFORMING you adult human beings that I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing BEFORE you can comprehend it and understand it?

Obviously WHY I KNOW what EVERY one could agree is because that is OBVIOUS.

Do you NOT know what EVERY one could agree with?

If yes, then that might be because you are NOT yet OPEN enough.
If no, then great.

By the way WHY did you start with the word "again" for? You have NEVER asked that question BEFORE.

Also, are you NOT going to clarify for me ANY of the clarifying questions I asked you?

Even most of your clarifying questions are lies or nonsensical, so no thanks.

LOL So you are so far STUCK in you OWN BELIEFS that you actually SEE a question asked for clarity as a lie? And, VERY SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD questions as nonsensical.

WILL you provide EVIDENCE of a question that I have asked, which is a "lie" and/or is "nonsensical"?

If yes, then great we WILL be able to SEE what it is that you are talking about.
If no, then not really that surprised.

This is the BELIEF-system at work in ALL of its distorting and blocking power.

Why do you believe that it's obvious what every one could agree with?

ONCE AGAIN another one who has gone beyond ridiculousness.

This thread is about a book and its author's BELIEF that the Universe is getting bigger, yet here we are with two human beings who can NOT STOP LOOKING AT and TRYING TO JUDGE ME instead of doing what they are supposed to be doing and LOOKING AT and challenging MY words in front of them.

If you BELIEVE and/or say the Universe is expanding, then just explain WHAT EVIDENCE you use to support this BELIEF. Then we can LOOK AT and DISCUSS that.

[Atla]

AGAIN, ANOTHER adult human being who keeps using the 'believe' word in relation to ME. How many times do I have to keep INFORMING you adult human beings that I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing BEFORE you can comprehend it and understand it?

Obviously WHY I KNOW what EVERY one could agree is because that is OBVIOUS.

Do you NOT know what EVERY one could agree with?

If yes, then that might be because you are NOT yet OPEN enough.
If no, then great.

By the way WHY did you start with the word "again" for? You have NEVER asked that question BEFORE.

Also, are you NOT going to clarify for me ANY of the clarifying questions I asked you?

Even most of your clarifying questions are lies or nonsensical, so no thanks.

LOL So you are so far STUCK in you OWN BELIEFS that you actually SEE a question asked for clarity as a lie? And, VERY SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD questions as nonsensical.

WILL you provide EVIDENCE of a question that I have asked, which is a "lie" and/or is "nonsensical"?

If yes, then great we WILL be able to SEE what it is that you are talking about.
If no, then not really that surprised.

This is the BELIEF-system at work in ALL of its distorting and blocking power.

Why do you believe that it's obvious what every one could agree with?

ONCE AGAIN another one who has gone beyond ridiculousness.

This thread is about a book and its author's BELIEF that the Universe is getting bigger, yet here we are with two human beings who can NOT STOP LOOKING AT and TRYING TO JUDGE ME instead of doing what they are supposed to be doing and LOOKING AT and challenging MY words in front of them.

If you BELIEVE and/or say the Universe is expanding, then just explain WHAT EVIDENCE you use to support this BELIEF. Then we can LOOK AT and DISCUSS that.

What is there to discuss? You are a profound idiot who knows nothing about cosmology. It's been 90+ years since Hubble realized that the farther galaxies are from us, the faster they are moving away. Not knowing this is like discussing mathematics without ever having heard of addition.

So far all you have offered is your BELIEFS instead. I'm only curious to see if I can make you realize that you are insane, you believe that the True Self speaks through you. That's a pretty standard schizophrenic insanity.

[Age]

But I have sufficiently defined the word 'Universe' FOR ME. And, that is ALL that really matters here. SO, I HAVE SUFFICIENTLY defined the word 'Universe'.

That is not the kind of attitude one expects from somebody who is here to "learn to communicate". The definition is not FOR YOU.

The definition is for YOUR READERS.

But you are sadly MISTAKEN ONCE AGAIN.

How many times do I have to tell you before you understand. I am NOT here, in this forum, to communicate WITH YOU, nor the readers, of when this is written. So, the definitions I provide here, in this forum, are NOT for any one else but for me to gauge reactions on so that I can LEARN from that.

Why are you robbing your readers of the opportunity to understand what you mean?

But I do NOT even want the readers here now, when this is written, to understand what I mean. That would, after all, ruin the surprise later on.

The very reason WHY I am writing the way I do is NOT to reveal any thing now, but to evoke a response, from which I am LEARNING FROM.

I am here, in this forum, TO TAKE and RECEIVE, NOT to give and reveal.

I think you were lying about your intentions all along and I think your readers agree with me.

Who cares? I do NOT care what you think. What it is that is KNOWN is what I care about.

Also, I would be very surprised if you

I have already explained to you many times, you are FREE to think whatever you like, and for the moment I really do NOT care what you THINK.

You, so called, "logik" are NOT the one that I want to communicate with anyway. 'You', "logik" are just one of those here that I am USING to LEARN from in order how to communicate better. You, "logik" are especially NOT one of those that I WANT to communicate with now.

You have UNDERSTOOD this ALREADY, correct? I had explained it ENOUGH times ALREADY, SURELY?

Just to confirm, What do you THINK I have been lying about what my intentions are all along EXACTLY?

And, what do you think "my readers" (whoever you think they are) will agree with you ON, EXACTLY?

Let us SEE if you will answer these clarifying questions.

Just to make it clear for "my readers" (again whoever you think they are), What did you think my intention was all along, but which you now think I have been lying about?

Your answer if you ever give one will SHINE some light on just how much you have keeping up with or not on what has been actually going on here.

[Age]

Each time you REFUSE to answer my clarifying questions, the MORE you are REVEALING, about your REAL self.

So what do you reveal about your REAL self when you refuse to define the words you are using?

But I have NOT refused to define the word I am using.

You are REFUSING to accept that I am defining the words that I am using.

There is a big difference AND that IS the difference, which I just POINTED OUT and SHOWED.

LOL I could have INFORMED you of this BEFORE we even began.

Did you just come to this realization ONLY now?

Well, I know how to define 'information'. I am trying to establish if our definitions are the same.

Well WHY do you NOT just provide YOUR definition, and then ASK ME if my definition is the same?

How much quicker, simpler AND easy would this make it?

Discovering and KNOWING the Truth of things is VERY SIMPLE, QUICK, and EASY to do, as I continually am TELLING you.

But you just keep refusing to define it!

You want my definition?

No, I do NOT want your definition. I have my own ALREADY, and I really do NOT care if it is the same as yours or not.

Here:

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Moot.

[Age]

Even most of your clarifying questions are lies or nonsensical, so no thanks.

LOL So you are so far STUCK in you OWN BELIEFS that you actually SEE a question asked for clarity as a lie? And, VERY SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD questions as nonsensical.

WILL you provide EVIDENCE of a question that I have asked, which is a "lie" and/or is "nonsensical"?

If yes, then great we WILL be able to SEE what it is that you are talking about.
If no, then not really that surprised.

This is the BELIEF-system at work in ALL of its distorting and blocking power.

Why do you believe that it's obvious what every one could agree with?

ONCE AGAIN another one who has gone beyond ridiculousness.

This thread is about a book and its author's BELIEF that the Universe is getting bigger, yet here we are with two human beings who can NOT STOP LOOKING AT and TRYING TO JUDGE ME instead of doing what they are supposed to be doing and LOOKING AT and challenging MY words in front of them.

If you BELIEVE and/or say the Universe is expanding, then just explain WHAT EVIDENCE you use to support this BELIEF. Then we can LOOK AT and DISCUSS that.

What is there to discuss?

So you ask this question, OBVIOUSLY NOT wanting an answer but ALREADY KNOWING THEE ANSWER, yet you keep discussing with me.

IYou are a profound idiot who knows nothing about cosmology.

So WHY communicate with me in a thread like this? If I know NOTHING, then WHY bother with me?

And is the term a "profound" idiot a complimentary to term to an "idiot" or just saying that I am more of an "idiot". Being an "idiot" myself obviously it is hard for me to work out what you are actually saying and meaning here.

It's been 90+ years since Hubble realized that the farther galaxies are from us, the faster they are moving away. Not knowing this is like discussing mathematics without ever having heard of addition.

LOL telescopes do NOT realize ANY thing. Human beings do. Some do anyway, and to you OBVIOUSLY I am NOT one of those ones.

By the way what is "addition" in maths? Is that like when you "add" up numbers together like 3 + 3?

And you NOT knowing the very REASON WHY there is an APPARENT "moving away" APPEARANCE in "farther away galaxies" in "current times" BUT the actual Truth is the opposite, IS like those people who did NOT KNOW the very REASON WHY there was an APPARENT "movement of the sun around the earth" APPEARANCE in "close proximity" in "olden times" BUT the actual Truth was also the opposite.

Until you get out of your BELIEFS, which on closer inspection are ONLY there NOT because of actual FACTS but because "IT IS WRITTEN" in a book and because "The experts tell you it is so", then you quicker you will DISCOVER and SEE what that ACTUAL REASON is WHY there is an APPEARANCE of "movement away" or "expansion" as some call it.

But you like most adult human beings do NOT see things UNTIL the MAJORITY of people see things, and "convince" you that it is True and Right.

SEE, EXACTLY how you are now is what you would be like when being asked What evidence is there for the sun going around earth. You would have been one of those ones saying: For hundreds/thousands of years "we" have realized the sun goes around the earth. This can be observed so it is empirical evidence. Just LOOK you can see that this is the Truth of things. And, if you do NOT believe me, then LOOK AT what the experts have to say, "IT IS WRITTEN" in the book ALSO.

To you, and many "others", if it is observable and it is written in the book, then that is ALL that is NEEDED for it to be PROVEN TRUE. Unfortunately though these so called "facts", which supports your "empirical/observed known true realizations", can very simply and easily be explained away with actual and real FACTS, which then REVEALS far more thorough Truths, which ALL then lead up to One self-supporting Unified Truth of ALL things. But please do NOT take my word for it, because I am just a "profound" idiot, after all. (Whatever that actually means. We will have to wait and see?)

So far all you have offered is your BELIEFS instead.

LOL. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I SAY, which you could or would accept and agree with. And, this is EXACTLY where I want 'you' "atla" and "others" like "logik" to be.

Separating people into two distinct separate groups is what I WANT. One group that is OPEN and one group that is CLOSED. That way future people's can LOOK BACK and SEE and KNOW, which way TO BE and NOT TO BE.

I'm only curious to see if I can make you realize that you are insane, you believe that the True Self speaks through you. That's a pretty standard schizophrenic insanity.

I have ALREADY told you, I agree with 'you' 'I' am insane.

There are you happy now. If I recall correctly, "we" have gone through this EXACT SAME thing BEFORE.

So, you do NOT have to be curious ANY MORE. you made ME realize that I am insane. Thank you so much "atla". I would NOT have seen this without you.

You now do NOT have to communicate with me any more also.

Lucking for me the Truth that 'I am insane' spoke through 'you' to reveal to me that actual and real Truth of things.

Thank you ALL MIGHTY ONE, you have SHOWN me my ways and the Truth will NOW set me FREE. 'you' "atla" really are Truly AMAZING. WHERE did you get this KNOWLEDGE and KNOWING from, EXACTLY? If it did NOT come from thee True Self through 'you', then that means that is MUST BE 'you' "atla" that KNOWS the Truth of things. Well the way you EXPRESS your self you do come across as KNOWING what is thee Truth and Rightfulness of things, which is EVIDENCED with YOUR WRITINGS.

[Atla]

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Looks like I struck a nerve by pointing out that the observable universe is expanding, something your allmighty True Self didn't tell you or didn't know.

(By the way, Hubble WAS a person. They named the telescope after him. Another thing your True Self didn't know. Must be a pretty ignorant True Self if it thought that we had space telescopes 90+ years ago.)

Your insanity seems to be spinning out of control, and it's only matched by your cluelessness. Good, please become more unhinged.

[Scott Mayers]

HOW am I supposedly making this worse?

YOU call me a "fucking liar", for a reason, and then YOU PRODUCE the ACTUAL EVIDENCE, yourself, which PROVES that I did NOT liar at all. So, who IS making things worse, for them self here?

You used TWO undefined words ( 'facts' and 'information') to define ONE undefined word ( 'evidence' ).

But the Truth IS I will ALWAYS use undefined words to define words. Would it even be possible to define words IN the word itself?

Explain to us readers here how we could define a word, with defined words?

EVERY word, used to define ONE word, is undefined. This is just the Nature of words and how they are used.

Until you define 'facts' and 'information' you haven't defined 'evidence'.

But I DO NOT CARE.

Also, I HAVE defined the word 'evidence'. Although I may NOT have defined the word 'evidence' FOR YOU. But as explained this might be because you are VERY SLOW to learn and understand, some times.

Even if I define them FOR YOU. You CAN and WILL change that definition into your OWN definition to fit in with and correspond with your OWN ALREADY HELD ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS. So, it would NOT matter how ANY person defines ANY word FOR YOU. As long as you MAINTAIN those very strongly HELD ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, then you WILL DEFINE ALL words ANY way that you WANT TO, and CHOOSE TO.

So it is obvious to EVERYBODY watching. Here. That you DID NOT define 'evidence'.

But this is NOT correct at all. SOME have SEEN where I HAVE ALREADY CLEARLY defined the word 'evidence'. There 'evidence' for this is WHERE 'IT IS WRITTEN', What some, however, ALSO SEE here is your misbehavior of STUBBORNNESS and RIDICULOUSNESS, which as it appears is so you can GET some sort of ATTENTION, is becoming more and more OBVIOUS.

While you will always some undefined term IN a particular definition, those 'undefined' ones are necessarily DENOTED (pointed to in your direct presence). Because we cannot BE in your direct presence NECESSARY in order to denote the undefined terms, IF you still disagree to some definition provided or interpreted of you for the un-sharable 'undefined meanings', there is no way to prove nor disprove anything to you NOR by you. We just have to toss our hands up in the air and give up trying with you at all or you are just wasting people's time and energy investing in a hopeless discussion.