Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:07 pm
OK. Different question. Are you consciousness?
Conceptually speaking.
Consciousness doesn't question whether it's consciousness or not. Consciousness just IS by being it.
Questions can only arise to the sense of a separate consciousness where there isn't one, except as a known conceptual mental construct an aspect of consciousness arising within itself, consciousness being the only knowing there is.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:08 pm
Hehe very well, I'll let you in on a little secret but you'll rerget this.
What you don't get is that I'm some sort of an acquired savant, when it comes to existential intelligence. Such an ability can't be measured in IQ but if I had to put a number on it, it's somewhere around 200. Also, I have decades of experience with unusual states of mind etc.
I'm far more existentially intelligent than all of you put together and I've put pretty much all relevant knowledge known by humanity into my subconscious, having it processed. I had to decrease my intelligence several times as it is, to be able to talk to you people about some basic things in basic ways, in a way and to a point which is comprehensible to you.
I'm just here for fun, talking about a few things, I'm not even serious. But every major idea you can find on this forum, I already considered, weighed at least a decade ago, using the scientific method and using probabilities, and then went far, far beyond that.
So much for your professional opinion.
Perfect! I accept all of that. I accept that you have done your due-dilligence, and you have examined all the factors and that you haven't any major errors. So the only thing left in doubt is the incompleteness of your knowledge - the information that you do not have.
Now tell me where your uncertainty lies. What evidence would convince you that you are wrong? What is your black swan?
The fact that you CAN'T DO THAT is precisely my proffesional opinion.
You aren't a scientist.
You have shifted the burden of DISPROOF onto us.
Good, then believe that. But you're simply not worth my time.
I am putting the effort because you are worth my time. Because I believe I can teach you to think for yourself. Something that you seem incapable of doing presently.
Of course, it always boils down to choice. Only If you want to.
I am putting the effort because you are worth my time. Because I believe I can teach you to think for yourself. Something that you seem incapable of doing presently.
Of course, it always boils down to choice. Only If you want to.
You can't teach me anything (and you want to win, not teach). I have you on ignore since months, unfortunately I still get notifications and most of your comments are lies.
Such a trash forum should have been closed and deleted long ago, but whatever.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:23 pm
You can't teach me anything (and you want to win, not teach)
Yes! I want to win. And in this case - teaching you ANYTHING is winning.
Because living in a world with smarter people benefits me and it benefits you.
"Rationalists should win," I said, and I may have to stop saying it, for it seems to convey something other than what I meant by it.
What you are doing with your constant obscurantism, secretive intentions, failing to acknowledge error is you undermining effective communication. And when you fuck with communication you are setting everybody up for failure.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:23 pm
You can't teach me anything (and you want to win, not teach)
Yes! I want to win. And in this case - teaching you ANYTHING is winning.
Because living in a world with smarter people benefits me and it benefits you.
"Rationalists should win," I said, and I may have to stop saying it, for it seems to convey something other than what I meant by it.
What you are doing with your constant obscurantism, secretive intentions, failing to acknowledge error is you undermining effective communication. And when you fuck with communication you are setting everybody up for failure.
YOU don't want to win. YOU want to fail! That's why you are playing these silly sophistry games philosophers like to play.
Keep on ignoring!
But I don't try to effectively communicate with you, you have nothing to offer and you understand almost nothing. Why can't you just stop replying to my comments and get lost?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:37 pm
But I don't try to effectively communicate with you, you have nothing to offer and you understand almost nothing.
I understand how to navigate Byzantine failures in reasoning. You don't.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:37 pm
Why can't you just stop replying to my comments and get lost?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:37 pm
But I don't try to effectively communicate with you, you have nothing to offer and you understand almost nothing.
I understand how to navigate Byzantine failures in reasoning. You don't.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:37 pm
Why can't you just stop replying to my comments and get lost?
Why indeed.
Well let's just say you know fuck all about my mind and not much about yours.
If the "irrational" agent is outcompeting you on a systematic and predictable basis, then it is time to reconsider what you think is "rational".
For I do fear that a "rationalist" will clutch to themselves the ritual of cognition they have been taught, as loss after loss piles up, consoling themselves: "I have behaved virtuously, I have been so reasonable, it's just this awful unfair universe that doesn't give me what I deserve. The others are cheating by not doing it the rational way, that's how they got ahead of me."
