Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Logik
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:19 am You're the one playing the game, I'm not even taking you seriously.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:00 am I'm playing internet mental diagnosis and my conclusions can be shown wrong in lots of ways.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:19 am Poor NPD-Aspie. :)
Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:06 am What evidence would convince you that you are wrong? What is your black swan?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have taken me so "not-seriously" that you have even contrived a "mental diagnosis" that you don't know how to falsify.

Keep digging. Do you want a bigger shovel?
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:27 am
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:19 am You're the one playing the game, I'm not even taking you seriously.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:00 am I'm playing internet mental diagnosis and my conclusions can be shown wrong in lots of ways.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:19 am Poor NPD-Aspie. :)
Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:06 am What evidence would convince you that you are wrong? What is your black swan?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Keep digging. Do you want a bigger shovel?
We're talking about your game, not mine. :) Mine is just a joke (on you).
You seem to be slipping
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:27 am
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:19 am You're the one playing the game, I'm not even taking you seriously.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:00 am I'm playing internet mental diagnosis and my conclusions can be shown wrong in lots of ways.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:19 am Poor NPD-Aspie. :)
Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:06 am What evidence would convince you that you are wrong? What is your black swan?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have taken me so "not-seriously" that you have even contrived a "mental diagnosis" that you don't know how to falsify.

Keep digging. Do you want a bigger shovel?
Humans can get rid of their egos, when we actually start owning the fact that all of our "knowledge" is falible.
Hard thing to admit error and yet, so necessary to any constructive communication.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:06 am The true mark of a sophist. Insincerity.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:31 am We're talking about your game, not mine. :) Mine is just a joke (on you).
You seem to be slipping
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:00 am I'm playing internet mental diagnosis and my conclusions can be shown wrong in lots of ways.
And now he admits that he lied about his intentions. Proving me right about his insincerity.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He just can't help himself.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:32 am
Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:06 am The true mark of a sophist. Insincerity.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:31 am We're talking about your game, not mine. :) Mine is just a joke (on you).
You seem to be slipping
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:00 am I'm playing internet mental diagnosis and my conclusions can be shown wrong in lots of ways.
And now he admits that he lied about his intentions. Proving me right about his insincerity.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He just can't help himself.
No I haven't :) but nice try
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:34 am No I haven't :) but nice try
So are you or are you not playing the "internet mental diagnosis" game?
Have you, or have you not concluded that I am an "Aspie-NPD"?

I don't even know how you manage to function in real life when you can't remember your own words for more than 30 seconds.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:06 am
Belinda wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:58 am Atla, you might consider what " a psychiatric condition" is. Pathologies are defined and evaluated according to twin criteria of morbidity and pain.

DAM's thesis is so far from being morbid that if world leaders understood it they would tend more to tolerate minorities and the poor and oppressed people.

The thesis of no duality is so far from causing pain that it may tend towards over much quiescence towards unhappiness and pain.
I was talking about Age/ken, if you literally believe that God/the world is talking through you, that's pretty much a psychiatric condition.

And who is going to clean up after people like DAM, even her own children think she's crazy. What would you do if your mother told you that she doesn't exist, and that you don't exist, let's leave each other alone? That's antisocial and bordering on child abuse.

Schizophrenics and pseudo-advaitans often cause more harm than good, and even pure nondualism has technically nothing to do with causing less pain or with happiness, it's the system that you additionally build upon it that can address such issues.


I do sometimes try out eccentric hypotheses upon my sons who are able to consider any and all ideas that might make the world a better place. If DAM's own children think she is crazy then DAM's own children may know something we don't. On the basis of her model of reality as she expounds it here she is eccentric but not crazy. I love eccentricity!

Out beyond ideas
of wrongdoing and rightdoing
there is a field
I'll meet you there.

Rumi
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Belinda wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:36 am
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:06 am
Belinda wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:58 am Atla, you might consider what " a psychiatric condition" is. Pathologies are defined and evaluated according to twin criteria of morbidity and pain.

DAM's thesis is so far from being morbid that if world leaders understood it they would tend more to tolerate minorities and the poor and oppressed people.

The thesis of no duality is so far from causing pain that it may tend towards over much quiescence towards unhappiness and pain.
I was talking about Age/ken, if you literally believe that God/the world is talking through you, that's pretty much a psychiatric condition.

And who is going to clean up after people like DAM, even her own children think she's crazy. What would you do if your mother told you that she doesn't exist, and that you don't exist, let's leave each other alone? That's antisocial and bordering on child abuse.

Schizophrenics and pseudo-advaitans often cause more harm than good, and even pure nondualism has technically nothing to do with causing less pain or with happiness, it's the system that you additionally build upon it that can address such issues.


I do sometimes try out eccentric hypotheses upon my sons who are able to consider any and all ideas that might make the world a better place. If DAM's own children think she is crazy then DAM's own children may know something we don't. On the basis of her model of reality as she expounds it here she is eccentric but not crazy. I love eccentricity!

Out beyond ideas
of wrongdoing and rightdoing
there is a field
I'll meet you there.

Rumi
And I love people who make sense
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Belinda wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:36 am I love eccentricity!

Out beyond ideas
of wrongdoing and rightdoing
there is a field
I'll meet you there.

Rumi
Eccentricity is like walking a tight-rope. Extreme skill and precision required to avoid the abyss below...
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:37 am And I love people who make sense
Translation: I love people who translate things into a language I can understand.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:36 am
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:34 am No I haven't :) but nice try
So are you or are you not playing the "internet mental diagnosis" game?
Have you, or have you not concluded that I am an "Aspie-NPD"?

I don't even know how you manage to function in real life when you can't remember your own words for more than 30 seconds.
Not serious, remember?
Have you ever considered that I really see you as mentally inferior and also as a shitsain on this planet?
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:39 am Have you ever considered that I really see you as mentally inferior and also as a shitsain on this planet?
Yes. And that is entirely your perogative. Luckily I don't give a shit about your opinion of me.

But the question still stands. The question that you are fighting tooth and nail to avoid.

What evidence would convince you that you are wrong? What is your black swan?

Me, I am happy to admit to the possibility that you may be smarter than me.

All I need is evidence. Lacking thus far.
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And I love people who make sense
I grant you, Atla, that DAM is not the best writer. Few people can match Rumi's talent. However, should I take you to mean that eccentric ideas are the same as ideas that don't make sense?
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:40 am
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:39 am Have you ever considered that I really see you as mentally inferior and also as a shitsain on this planet?
Yes. And that is entirely your perogative. Luckily I don't give a shit about your opinion of me.

But the question still stands. The question that you are fighting tooth and nail to avoid.

What evidence would convince you that you are wrong? What is your black swan?
I'm not fighting anything, one more of your lies. If you are winning at your own game then you should already have figured out the answers. It's ridiculous that you ask me to do the job.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:05 am
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:03 am A self driving cars are programmed to self drive...that does not prove the car has consciousness.
It doesn't disprove that it doesn't have consciousness either.

What measurement would settle the matter for you?
A self driving car is an appearance already couched within consciousness...that cannot be replicated for one very good reason.

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