Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pm
Lacewing wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:40 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:44 pm My best guess is that in this world, the infinite sort of loops through itself. What we are witnessing may be one of the most common / one of the most probable loops within the infinite, which is why everything is so minimalistic in our universe. Every parameter of our universe seems to be just the bare minimum necessary for such a loop or loops to be able to go through one or a few humans (their "minds").

Which on the surface does in a way create the illusion of the Absolute trying to describe itself. After all human understanding pushed to its limits, coupled with everything our civilization has figured out about the world, is part of the minimalistic route.
Interesting description! To me, it's like my guess that our understanding, no matter how extensive and "lofty" we may think it is, it is still confined to the influence or flow of being human -- which is a narrow stream/dream within infinite possibility. And there's nothing wrong with that. :)
Yeah whatever we come up with, it's done with a human mind.
Even the term 'mind' is done with through human (experience), which is very limited and closed in comparison to the Universe Itself. Yet, most human beings, when asked to define what the 'Mind' actually IS, fall into the completely unknown.

What human beings come up with, is through THOUGHT, which by the way is NOT the 'Mind'.

If there is such a thing as a 'human mind', which most english speaking adult human being say and BELIEVE there is, then WHAT is the 'human mind'?

I am only pointing this out to SHOW that what you are saying here is so absolutely correct. That is; Whatever human beings come up with, it is just done in THOUGHT only, and NOT done in actual FULL KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING first.

Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pm On the other hand, I do actually base my guess on infinite possibility, or rather an infinite "multiversal" field. I've been trying to simulate in my head for like a decade now, how some parts of a world of infinite possibility would necessarily sort of loop through themselves and be themselves at the same time, what such loops would be like and what their relative probabilites would be (in case probabilities within the infinite work the way I think they do). Still a work in progress.
The so called 'infinite loop through Itself' can be very easily explained, if one is Truly curious to understand how It works.
Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pmIt's a guess based on everything I know. It leads to a pretty dark and depressing picture about our world, which is why I would never publish this in detail, and would never ever mention certain implications of it.
From my view, the 'infinite loop process' is far more pretty and illuminating that human beings could even imagine, at the moment, when this is written.
Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pmWhich is funny, so many people are pushing their shallow and clueless unified theories, full of rainbows, but what I found is pretty horrible and almost unfathomably weird/out-of the-box, so I wouldn't tell (and maybe I'm selfish enough to keep it to myself anyway hehe and then use it when the times comes, in case my guess turns out to be more or less correct).
I would LOVE to hear, and SEE, YOUR view of things. It sounds like we might have completely opposing VIEWS on the exact SAME 'infinite loop' of things.

I am NOT sure how any thing could be pretty horrible nor almost unfathomably weird, compared to what Existence and just what being alive can hold.

What happens if you have already gone before your "guess" turns out to be right? How would we ever know, if you do not show, it?

Do you just NOT want to share it because you do NOT want to SEE that, what you THINK, is actually WRONG?
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:39 am
Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pm
Lacewing wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:40 pm
Interesting description! To me, it's like my guess that our understanding, no matter how extensive and "lofty" we may think it is, it is still confined to the influence or flow of being human -- which is a narrow stream/dream within infinite possibility. And there's nothing wrong with that. :)
Yeah whatever we come up with, it's done with a human mind.
Even the term 'mind' is done with through human (experience), which is very limited and closed in comparison to the Universe Itself. Yet, most human beings, when asked to define what the 'Mind' actually IS, fall into the completely unknown.

What human beings come up with, is through THOUGHT, which by the way is NOT the 'Mind'.

If there is such a thing as a 'human mind', which most english speaking adult human being say and BELIEVE there is, then WHAT is the 'human mind'?

I am only pointing this out to SHOW that what you are saying here is so absolutely correct. That is; Whatever human beings come up with, it is just done in THOUGHT only, and NOT done in actual FULL KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING first.

Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pm On the other hand, I do actually base my guess on infinite possibility, or rather an infinite "multiversal" field. I've been trying to simulate in my head for like a decade now, how some parts of a world of infinite possibility would necessarily sort of loop through themselves and be themselves at the same time, what such loops would be like and what their relative probabilites would be (in case probabilities within the infinite work the way I think they do). Still a work in progress.
The so called 'infinite loop through Itself' can be very easily explained, if one is Truly curious to understand how It works.
Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pmIt's a guess based on everything I know. It leads to a pretty dark and depressing picture about our world, which is why I would never publish this in detail, and would never ever mention certain implications of it.
From my view, the 'infinite loop process' is far more pretty and illuminating that human beings could even imagine, at the moment, when this is written.
Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pmWhich is funny, so many people are pushing their shallow and clueless unified theories, full of rainbows, but what I found is pretty horrible and almost unfathomably weird/out-of the-box, so I wouldn't tell (and maybe I'm selfish enough to keep it to myself anyway hehe and then use it when the times comes, in case my guess turns out to be more or less correct).
I would LOVE to hear, and SEE, YOUR view of things. It sounds like we might have completely opposing VIEWS on the exact SAME 'infinite loop' of things.

I am NOT sure how any thing could be pretty horrible nor almost unfathomably weird, compared to what Existence and just what being alive can hold.

What happens if you have already gone before your "guess" turns out to be right? How would we ever know, if you do not show, it?

Do you just NOT want to share it because you do NOT want to SEE that, what you THINK, is actually WRONG?
It's not the exact same "infinite loop", not even close. I'm looking for the most probable guess, I think I already made it clear that I find your kind of belief (I mean idea hehe) to be fairly commonplace, but also highly unlikely to be correct. As for the rest
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:53 pm Anyway I'll take your advice and not respond further.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:18 am
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:39 am
Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pm
Yeah whatever we come up with, it's done with a human mind.
Even the term 'mind' is done with through human (experience), which is very limited and closed in comparison to the Universe Itself. Yet, most human beings, when asked to define what the 'Mind' actually IS, fall into the completely unknown.

What human beings come up with, is through THOUGHT, which by the way is NOT the 'Mind'.

If there is such a thing as a 'human mind', which most english speaking adult human being say and BELIEVE there is, then WHAT is the 'human mind'?

I am only pointing this out to SHOW that what you are saying here is so absolutely correct. That is; Whatever human beings come up with, it is just done in THOUGHT only, and NOT done in actual FULL KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING first.

Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pm On the other hand, I do actually base my guess on infinite possibility, or rather an infinite "multiversal" field. I've been trying to simulate in my head for like a decade now, how some parts of a world of infinite possibility would necessarily sort of loop through themselves and be themselves at the same time, what such loops would be like and what their relative probabilites would be (in case probabilities within the infinite work the way I think they do). Still a work in progress.
The so called 'infinite loop through Itself' can be very easily explained, if one is Truly curious to understand how It works.
Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pmIt's a guess based on everything I know. It leads to a pretty dark and depressing picture about our world, which is why I would never publish this in detail, and would never ever mention certain implications of it.
From my view, the 'infinite loop process' is far more pretty and illuminating that human beings could even imagine, at the moment, when this is written.
Atla wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:00 pmWhich is funny, so many people are pushing their shallow and clueless unified theories, full of rainbows, but what I found is pretty horrible and almost unfathomably weird/out-of the-box, so I wouldn't tell (and maybe I'm selfish enough to keep it to myself anyway hehe and then use it when the times comes, in case my guess turns out to be more or less correct).
I would LOVE to hear, and SEE, YOUR view of things. It sounds like we might have completely opposing VIEWS on the exact SAME 'infinite loop' of things.

I am NOT sure how any thing could be pretty horrible nor almost unfathomably weird, compared to what Existence and just what being alive can hold.

What happens if you have already gone before your "guess" turns out to be right? How would we ever know, if you do not show, it?

Do you just NOT want to share it because you do NOT want to SEE that, what you THINK, is actually WRONG?
It's not the exact same "infinite loop", not even close.
I am NOT sure how you KNOW this. Did I share my view on the 'infinite loop' without realizing that I have?

WHAT is my view, and WHERE did you SEE it?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:18 am I'm looking for the most probable guess, I think I already made it clear that I find your kind of belief (I mean idea hehe) to be fairly commonplace, but also highly unlikely to be correct.
Again, WHAT is my idea, which is supposedly "fairly commonplace" and "highly likely to be incorrect"? I have yet to SEE the same idea anywhere. In fact I am even yet to SEE my idea in words anywhere.

The only place that I have seen my idea of the 'infinite loop' is within this head.

Are you sure we are talking about the EXACT SAME idea?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:18 amAs for the rest
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:53 pm Anyway I'll take your advice and not respond further.
WHY is it when I put questions to people about their views they inevitably give up and want to leave?

The whole point of having new ideas is to have them challenged and questioned so that any WRONG in them will come to light.

Also, WHY do people NOT even try to challenge me on what I say and on the ideas I propose? I want the WRONG in them POINTED OUT and SHOWN here, for ALL to SEE.

Could this giving up and leaving, when being questioned and challenged, come back to and be part of the answer to this thread's question: Why humans can NOT get rid of their egos?

Always running away and hiding is a significant default of the human 'ego'. Honesty and Openness brings this to LIGHT and SHOWS this for what it Truly IS.

Now, if you do NOT want to share/expose the idea in that head, then that is one thing. But if you are going to accuse that the idea in this head is "fairly commonplace" and/or "highly likely incorrect", then you will HAVE TO share and expose the idea that you SEE, which as far as I KNOW no one else has yet SEEN, so that we ALL KNOW what it IS that you are referring to.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:54 am
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:18 am
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:39 am

Even the term 'mind' is done with through human (experience), which is very limited and closed in comparison to the Universe Itself. Yet, most human beings, when asked to define what the 'Mind' actually IS, fall into the completely unknown.

What human beings come up with, is through THOUGHT, which by the way is NOT the 'Mind'.

If there is such a thing as a 'human mind', which most english speaking adult human being say and BELIEVE there is, then WHAT is the 'human mind'?

I am only pointing this out to SHOW that what you are saying here is so absolutely correct. That is; Whatever human beings come up with, it is just done in THOUGHT only, and NOT done in actual FULL KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING first.




The so called 'infinite loop through Itself' can be very easily explained, if one is Truly curious to understand how It works.



From my view, the 'infinite loop process' is far more pretty and illuminating that human beings could even imagine, at the moment, when this is written.



I would LOVE to hear, and SEE, YOUR view of things. It sounds like we might have completely opposing VIEWS on the exact SAME 'infinite loop' of things.

I am NOT sure how any thing could be pretty horrible nor almost unfathomably weird, compared to what Existence and just what being alive can hold.

What happens if you have already gone before your "guess" turns out to be right? How would we ever know, if you do not show, it?

Do you just NOT want to share it because you do NOT want to SEE that, what you THINK, is actually WRONG?
It's not the exact same "infinite loop", not even close.
I am NOT sure how you KNOW this. Did I share my view on the 'infinite loop' without realizing that I have?

WHAT is my view, and WHERE did you SEE it?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:18 am I'm looking for the most probable guess, I think I already made it clear that I find your kind of belief (I mean idea hehe) to be fairly commonplace, but also highly unlikely to be correct.
Again, WHAT is my idea, which is supposedly "fairly commonplace" and "highly likely to be incorrect"? I have yet to SEE the same idea anywhere. In fact I am even yet to SEE my idea in words anywhere.

The only place that I have seen my idea of the 'infinite loop' is within this head.

Are you sure we are talking about the EXACT SAME idea?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:18 amAs for the rest
Atla wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:53 pm Anyway I'll take your advice and not respond further.
WHY is it when I put questions to people about their views they inevitably give up and want to leave?

The whole point of having new ideas is to have them challenged and questioned so that any WRONG in them will come to light.

Also, WHY do people NOT even try to challenge me on what I say and on the ideas I propose? I want the WRONG in them POINTED OUT and SHOWN here, for ALL to SEE.

Could this giving up and leaving, when being questioned and challenged, come back to and be part of the answer to this thread's question: Why humans can NOT get rid of their egos?

Always running away and hiding is a significant default of the human 'ego'. Honesty and Openness brings this to LIGHT and SHOWS this for what it Truly IS.

Now, if you do NOT want to share/expose the idea in that head, then that is one thing. But if you are going to accuse that the idea in this head is "fairly commonplace" and/or "highly likely incorrect", then you will HAVE TO share and expose the idea that you SEE, which as far as I KNOW no one else has yet SEEN, so that we ALL KNOW what it IS that you are referring to.
You resort to insulting with lies as usual, while also playing the amnesiac, and you do it using insufferable walls of text. Maybe that's why people leave.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:00 am
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:54 am
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:18 am
It's not the exact same "infinite loop", not even close.
I am NOT sure how you KNOW this. Did I share my view on the 'infinite loop' without realizing that I have?

WHAT is my view, and WHERE did you SEE it?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:18 am I'm looking for the most probable guess, I think I already made it clear that I find your kind of belief (I mean idea hehe) to be fairly commonplace, but also highly unlikely to be correct.
Again, WHAT is my idea, which is supposedly "fairly commonplace" and "highly likely to be incorrect"? I have yet to SEE the same idea anywhere. In fact I am even yet to SEE my idea in words anywhere.

The only place that I have seen my idea of the 'infinite loop' is within this head.

Are you sure we are talking about the EXACT SAME idea?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:18 amAs for the rest

WHY is it when I put questions to people about their views they inevitably give up and want to leave?

The whole point of having new ideas is to have them challenged and questioned so that any WRONG in them will come to light.

Also, WHY do people NOT even try to challenge me on what I say and on the ideas I propose? I want the WRONG in them POINTED OUT and SHOWN here, for ALL to SEE.

Could this giving up and leaving, when being questioned and challenged, come back to and be part of the answer to this thread's question: Why humans can NOT get rid of their egos?

Always running away and hiding is a significant default of the human 'ego'. Honesty and Openness brings this to LIGHT and SHOWS this for what it Truly IS.

Now, if you do NOT want to share/expose the idea in that head, then that is one thing. But if you are going to accuse that the idea in this head is "fairly commonplace" and/or "highly likely incorrect", then you will HAVE TO share and expose the idea that you SEE, which as far as I KNOW no one else has yet SEEN, so that we ALL KNOW what it IS that you are referring to.
You resort to insulting with lies as usual, while also playing the amnesiac, and you do it using insufferable walls of text. Maybe that's why people leave.
I do NOT dispute people leave for my "insufferable walls of text".

But if you are AGAIN going to accuse me of some thing, then provide the EVIDENCE of where I resorted to "insults", "with lies", AND if you are going to use the "usual" word, then you can also provide examples of WHERE I have "usually" done this alleged thing previously. Also, you can provide examples of WHERE this "playing the amnesiac" is supposed to have happened. But going on how you have TRIED TO deflect away from what I have POINTED OUT what you do previously, then I do NOT expect you will provide ANY examples now also.

You want to write that I have an idea that you KNOW of, yet I have NEVER even shared this idea with anyone, and WHEN I ask you to provide "that" idea, you will NOT it. Do you THINK the readers will be asking WHY NOT?
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:35 am
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:00 am
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:54 am

I am NOT sure how you KNOW this. Did I share my view on the 'infinite loop' without realizing that I have?

WHAT is my view, and WHERE did you SEE it?



Again, WHAT is my idea, which is supposedly "fairly commonplace" and "highly likely to be incorrect"? I have yet to SEE the same idea anywhere. In fact I am even yet to SEE my idea in words anywhere.

The only place that I have seen my idea of the 'infinite loop' is within this head.

Are you sure we are talking about the EXACT SAME idea?



WHY is it when I put questions to people about their views they inevitably give up and want to leave?

The whole point of having new ideas is to have them challenged and questioned so that any WRONG in them will come to light.

Also, WHY do people NOT even try to challenge me on what I say and on the ideas I propose? I want the WRONG in them POINTED OUT and SHOWN here, for ALL to SEE.

Could this giving up and leaving, when being questioned and challenged, come back to and be part of the answer to this thread's question: Why humans can NOT get rid of their egos?

Always running away and hiding is a significant default of the human 'ego'. Honesty and Openness brings this to LIGHT and SHOWS this for what it Truly IS.

Now, if you do NOT want to share/expose the idea in that head, then that is one thing. But if you are going to accuse that the idea in this head is "fairly commonplace" and/or "highly likely incorrect", then you will HAVE TO share and expose the idea that you SEE, which as far as I KNOW no one else has yet SEEN, so that we ALL KNOW what it IS that you are referring to.
You resort to insulting with lies as usual, while also playing the amnesiac, and you do it using insufferable walls of text. Maybe that's why people leave.
I do NOT dispute people leave for my "insufferable walls of text".

But if you are AGAIN going to accuse me of some thing, then provide the EVIDENCE of where I resorted to "insults", "with lies", AND if you are going to use the "usual" word, then you can also provide examples of WHERE I have "usually" done this alleged thing previously. Also, you can provide examples of WHERE this "playing the amnesiac" is supposed to have happened. But going on how you have TRIED TO deflect away from what I have POINTED OUT what you do previously, then I do NOT expect you will provide ANY examples now also.

You want to write that I have an idea that you KNOW of, yet I have NEVER even shared this idea with anyone, and WHEN I ask you to provide "that" idea, you will NOT it. Do you THINK the readers will be asking WHY NOT?
More lies. As I said 234523687562348568347568934 times all you do is go on and on about your beliefs, and how utterly hopeless human beings are for not seeing the TRUTH. And now you play the amnesiac, pretending I never pointed out anything.

Do you really think everyone else is an idiot?

Again, being completely open still doesn't make you see the TRUTH, if you believe in this crap then prove it, which you refused.
Again, the world isn't an entity that's self-realizing or waking up or something like that, if you believe in this crap then prove it, which you refused.
No, you are not God, you are not the voice of God, you are not the voice of the Absolute, you have no access to the voice of the Absolute, because it doesn't have one, nothing is going on that people can figure out by being completely open and listening.

Whatever infinity loops you've come up with based on such commonplace nonsense, I'm already not interested in it.

Your beliefs are just fairly standard schizophrenic delusions, unless proven otherwise, and no one ever could prove otherwise whatsoever.

If you were truly open, maybe you would stop lying to yourself and stop blaming others?

I find your behaviour really disgusting. And this is coming from "someone" who has fully seen through the ego as far as "I" know.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 am
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:35 am
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:00 am
You resort to insulting with lies as usual, while also playing the amnesiac, and you do it using insufferable walls of text. Maybe that's why people leave.
I do NOT dispute people leave for my "insufferable walls of text".

But if you are AGAIN going to accuse me of some thing, then provide the EVIDENCE of where I resorted to "insults", "with lies", AND if you are going to use the "usual" word, then you can also provide examples of WHERE I have "usually" done this alleged thing previously. Also, you can provide examples of WHERE this "playing the amnesiac" is supposed to have happened. But going on how you have TRIED TO deflect away from what I have POINTED OUT what you do previously, then I do NOT expect you will provide ANY examples now also.

You want to write that I have an idea that you KNOW of, yet I have NEVER even shared this idea with anyone, and WHEN I ask you to provide "that" idea, you will NOT it. Do you THINK the readers will be asking WHY NOT?
More lies.
More accusations. Where is the evidence?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 amAs I said 234523687562348568347568934 times all you do is go on and on about your beliefs, and how utterly hopeless human beings are for not seeing the TRUTH. And now you play the amnesiac, pretending I never pointed out anything.
I do NOT have any beliefs. Understand?

I have NEVER said let alone pretended that you never pointed out anything. On the contrary I AGREE that you point things out, which are accusations about what I have done, WHAT I have made clear, I thought, IS; You do NOT provide any evidence for what you point out and allege. You only make allegations but do NOT provide examples and evidence for this.

Have you really NOT been able to understand that yet?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 amDo you really think everyone else is an idiot?
AMUSING thing to ASSUME and ponder over. What led you to ASSUME such an absurd thing?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 amAgain, being completely open still doesn't make you see the TRUTH, if you believe in this crap then prove it, which you refused.
I do NOT believe any thing. If you want to continue to TRY TO point out I do, then prove it. What do you BELIEVE, I BELIEVE?

WHAT exactly do you want me to PROVE?

How could I prove IF 'you' were OPEN, then you would see TRUTH? I can NOT prove that. Only 'you' could do that.

But you could PROVE the opposite. That is; IF you were completely OPEN, and that you could NOT see TRUTH, then you would have PROVED that 'you' can be OPEN and can NOT see the TRUTH.

So, how about you PROVE this? This is what you BELIEVE is TRUE. So, it should be very EASY for you to PROVE is TRUE.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 amAgain, the world isn't an entity that's self-realizing or waking up or something like that, if you believe in this crap then prove it, which you refused.
But you BELIEVE some thing to be TRUE. Now, tell the readers how one can prove 'THAT' which is NOT even true to begin with?

You, of all people, would NOT believe some thing if it was NOT true, correct?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 amNo, you are not God, you are not the voice of God, you are not the voice of the Absolute, you have no access to the voice of the Absolute, because it doesn't have one, nothing is going on that people can figure out by being completely open and listening.
If that is what you BELIEVE, then prove it.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 amWhatever infinity loops you've come up with based on such commonplace nonsense, I'm already not interested in it.
There are NO infinity loops. Why you would THINK I come up with some thing like that?

You made out you KNOW what my "idea" is yet you go and say some thing as WRONG as this. You really have NO idea at all what idea is in this head.

Who cares if you are NOT interested. If you really are NOT interested, then do NOT mention this.

Prove you really are NOT interested in this. You can do this by SHOWING complete disinterest.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 amYour beliefs are just fairly standard schizophrenic delusions, unless proven otherwise, and no one ever could prove otherwise whatsoever.
You sound very strong and firm in your conviction and BELIEF here.

Make sure you do NOT let them go.

If you were truly open, maybe you would stop lying to yourself and stop blaming others?[/quote]

Once again, making accusations. Now WHERE is it that you allege that I am "lying" and blaming others"?

What do you BELIEVE I am "lying" about, and "blaming others" for exactly?
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 amI find your behaviour really disgusting. And this is coming from "someone" who has fully seen through the ego as far as "I" know.
The way I write is to provoke you to CHALLENGE ME.

You, unfortunately, can NOT do this because you only see things through your strongly held BELIEFS. That IS; the EGO. All you can do is make accusations without providing any actual EVIDENCE for.

Now, SHOW WHERE you BELIEVE I am "lying" and "blaming others", and then we can discuss that. Then we can get back to SEEING if you can provide evidence for what you BELIEVE is "my idea".

By BELIEVING that one has seen FULLY through the 'ego' proves that the 'ego' is still existing as strong as it ever could be.

Who/What is the 'I' that ASSUMES that it has seen fully through the ego?

SEE, that is HOW you challenge me. You point out what I actually write, and then ask clarifying questions about that? You do this in a Truly OPEN way so that there is NO assuming nor believing going on, and then just wait for the "other" to respond with an answer. You keep doing this until the Truth comes to light.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:59 am...
Just one example out of dozens
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:39 am The so called 'infinite loop through Itself' can be very easily explained, if one is Truly curious to understand how It works.

From my view, the 'infinite loop process' is far more pretty and illuminating that human beings could even imagine, at the moment, when this is written.

I would LOVE to hear, and SEE, YOUR view of things. It sounds like we might have completely opposing VIEWS on the exact SAME 'infinite loop' of things.
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:59 am There are NO infinity loops. Why you would THINK I come up with some thing like that?
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you?

I don't have to spend a year of my life sitting here all day writing 20-page long responses to a mentally ill schizophrenic fucktard who is trying to convince us that his delusions are real and everyone else is an idiot.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:06 pm
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:59 am...
Just one example out of dozens
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:39 am The so called 'infinite loop through Itself' can be very easily explained....
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:59 am There are NO infinity loops.....
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you?
Can your brain even process context ?

In some contexts there are infinite loops.
In some contexts there are no infinite loops.

All you have to figure out is which context you are in....

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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:37 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:06 pm
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:59 am...
Just one example out of dozens
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:39 am The so called 'infinite loop through Itself' can be very easily explained....
Age wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:59 am There are NO infinity loops.....
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you?
Can your brain even process context ?

In some contexts there are infinite loops.
In some contexts there are no infinite loops.

All you have to figure out is which context you are in....

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And the other fucktard has arrived as well
This is why I think this forum should be shut down and deleted.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:38 pm And the other fucktard has arrived as well
This is why I think this forum should be shut down and deleted.
<Dances off to the tune of Guns'N'Roses - Welcome to the Jungle >

On second thought - if it pisses you off, it is a GREAT justification to do it!

For no other reason except entertainment value.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:39 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:38 pm And the other fucktard has arrived as well
This is why I think this forum should be shut down and deleted.
<Dances off to the tune of Guns'N'Roses - Welcome to the Jungle >

On second thought - if it pisses you off, it is a GREAT justification to do it!

For no other reason except entertainment value.
Well since you seem to be an NPD and not a fully formed human, some sick little entertainment is all you can hope to expect from life. You may not realize it but ultimately I just pity you.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:43 pm Well since you seem to be an NPD and not a fully formed human, some sick little entertainment is all you can hope to expect from life. You may not realize it but ultimately I just pity you.
We are still trying to figure out whether I am an NPD, or whether you are an NPD seeing much of yourself in me.

The problem with all of your hypotheses is that they aren't even wrong.
Every time you forget about falsification - you get yourself in this mess....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

I bet you can't even tell us what would convince you that you've made an error in judgment.
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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:48 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:43 pm Well since you seem to be an NPD and not a fully formed human, some sick little entertainment is all you can hope to expect from life. You may not realize it but ultimately I just pity you.
We are still trying to figure out whether I am an NPD, or whether you are an NPD seeing much of yourself in me.

The problem with all of your hypotheses is that they aren't even wrong.
When you forget about falsification - you get yourself in this predicament....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

I bet you can't even tell us what would convince you that you've made an error in judgment.
My hypotheses almost always turn out to be correct. But tell me why you think I would waste my time by proving things to you?
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Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:51 pm My hypotheses almost always turn out to be correct. But tell me why you think I would waste my time by proving things to you?
"Almost always" is not good enough in this game. If I know how confirmation bias works (and I do). I am in control over your conclusions.
Atla wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:51 pm But tell me why you think I would waste my time by proving things to you?
Because you aren't proving anything to me. You are proving it to yourself.

And I am telling you - you've made a mistake. Your forgot to come up with an alternative hypothesis....

I am not going to give you an alternative hypothesis either. In this universe you believe what you want to believe ;)
If you care about truth - you will go out of your way to prove yourself wrong.
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