A Philosophy of Mind

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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nameless wrote:There is not anything 'beyond' perception.
For something to (be perceived to) exist, it must be perceived.
Perception is existence.
Barbara Brooks wrote:Philosophy draws the mind towards truth and even now as disregarded as philosophy is today, it very likely some day may emerge into light again. Mind is a one-sided examination that results only pure nothingness, and that this nothing is a determinate nothing, and cannot advance from this step ever. Thus, this infinite idea has absolute negativity. Then mind is the disproportion between the concept and the reality, it is a shadow, a show, or illusion of being. In the full truth the liberation is altogether fixed and alludes to vanity

Vanity is in opposition to truth. Socrates said, be a servant of the best, because every one had better be ruled by divine wisdom dwelling within self; so that that we all may be, as far as possible, under the same rule, friends and equals.
Yes, however, philosophy draws the mind towards truth and even now as disregarded as philosophy is today, it very likely some day may emerge into light again. Mind is a one-sided examination that results only pure nothingness, and that this nothing is a determinate nothing, and cannot advance from this step ever. Thus, this infinite idea has absolute negativity. Then mind is the disproportion between the concept and the reality, it is a shadow, a show, or illusion of being. In the full truth the liberation is altogether fixed and alludes to vanity


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My Love of philosophy lodges in my heart; its my dearest friend I cannot refuse it anything, even with the arguments of shame and reason.

The lover of wisdom lives in light always; happy companions in my pilgrimage, and when the time comes at which they receive my wings I have the same plumage because of my love.
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Love Socrates believed is the middle term between knowledge and ignorance. Descartes believed that the requisite of love to establish reason between the divine and all the humane and mysteries and charms, and prophecy and incantation find their way.

Hemingway states love: "From things that had happened and from things as they exist and from all things that you know. That all those you cannot know, you make something through your invention that is not a representation but a whole new thing truer than anything true and alive, and if you make it well enough, you give it immortality. That is why you write and for no other reason that you know of."


My love of knowledge is lodged in my heart and all depends upon my discipline; the better fundamentals of the mind lead to order and mastery of self.
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The character of the true philosopher is of the kind that shows eternal not varying from generation or corruption truth.

The true philosopher from earliest youth must love truth and be absorbed in truth of all forms. I mean if they are to be true philosophers and not shams. For philosophy is more heavenly than any of the other learning, is useful and beneficial always the handy helper for greater clearness, and better understanding.

Character is the content of purpose but if I am seeking to bring my purpose into actuality then I must think away individuality. Purpose is simply transferring from a state not yet explicitly expressed to one fully expressed; Hegel wrote in his personal letters to friends how he wished he could write for the populous instead of academia.

In order to have purpose each act, already presupposes the other, and hence we seem unable to find a beginning because we only get to know our own purpose. Philosopher’s start straight away whatever the circumstances without troubling about starting again, the means, or end, but take action once again and carry it out. Take a negative outlook towards the world and turn it round into a positive outlook.

Think away from doubt. Come noble philosophers rise out of the state of oblivion into universal spirit. For anything to become something is through labor. Anything into something has not only positive significance but also objectivity. The process is twofold, self-surrender and labor. In order to succeed and finding satisfaction in anything, labor must enter without reservation.
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Grasp the truth and you will have no difficulty seeing that there is a conscious universal end that dominates actions, universally lifts out of the life of chance and change, into world peace ; only then Philosophy is real and have substantial character.

Citizens must make this their work in life, into everything that flows like a gentle wind from a purer region.

This is why musical training is the most effective instrument into the mind of philosophers; because we find rhythm and harmony we find grace. Only then the musician knows the notes exactly can he or she ever become musical. The same as the philosopher must harmonize and know the essential forms of temperance, courage, liberality, magnificence, and their kindred.

The philosopher has tasted how sweet and blessed knowledge is, and has also seen enough of the craziness of the crowds; and knows that politicians there is no champion of justice at whose side they may fight or be saved.
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Barbara Brooks wrote:Grasp the truth and you will have no difficulty seeing that there is a conscious universal end that dominates actions, universally lifts out of the life of chance and change, into world peace ; only then Philosophy is real and have substantial character.

Citizens must make this their work in life, into everything that flows like a gentle wind from a purer region.

This is why musical training is the most effective instrument into the mind of philosophers; because we find rhythm and harmony we find grace. Only then the musician knows the notes exactly can he or she ever become musical. The same as the philosopher must harmonize and know the essential forms of temperance, courage, liberality, magnificence, and their kindred.

The philosopher has tasted how sweet and blessed knowledge is, and has also seen enough of the craziness of the crowds; and knows that politicians there is no champion of justice at whose side they may fight or be saved.
Nah, ya got it all wrong Barb. What you're missing is that through reflection comes truth and with truth comes compassion of other. This is in the mind of everyone and is most good. Truth makes obvious the course of our purpose what is truth but objective reality, that assurance of being. Only when self comes forward asserts not just this certainty but purpose is there bare and simple truth.

Truth comes forward pure inner being with the world over against it. In one way purpose is the imperturbable truth, in the form of intending" or meaning, perceiving, and understanding, which grasps what is "meant" and what is "perceived" Purpose a restless search, which in its very process of seeking truth is utterly impossible to have the satisfaction of finding.

Because purpose and feelings goes to war in the mind at times, desires can prevail over purpose and that is a struggle, like the struggle of division; As Socrates described it like watching an archer pushing and pulling the bow at the same time, one hand pushes and the other pulls. One bids and the other forbids, the forbidding and bidding one .the one we call the rational the other, passion, feelings and desires, pleasures and satisfactions. The mind attains truth when the mind is gathered into itself and none of worldly things that trouble it, neither sounds nor sights nor pain nor pleasure we aspire after true being.

So long as we have a sound heart and spirit, the search for truth awakes all the enthusiasm of life.

Now I hope this clears things up a bit for ya!
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My words are not thrown down anyhow, they are not just words that comes to my mind, having no reason in them.

Philosophy is a living adapted language the right application of words that implant conviction. Thrasymachus described the nature of words to be easy or hard showed how some minds are persuaded by a particular form of argument and others are not.
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An ethical society maintains itself by being thoughtful and preserves a spirit of the entire society, collectively as pure spirit a force outside individualism and family. Here is unconscious spirit rises out of the state of heartlessness into a conscious universal spirit for all, and constitutes the element of divine and human law.

Also, constitutes the routine of human life without opposition to one another, an absolute unbroken a sense of security and fulfillment. This spirit known to everyone has consciousness of being.

Laws of a society are human laws, determine together a way of life with many properties, involves many relationships. This is a twofold form, law of humanity, and a law of spiritual coming together as the absolute and ultimate plurality of community. Not an accident knows beforehand the law and that reality is truth.

In an ethical society most likely you would find people who are duty-bound or encouraged to do their own work in the best way. This is justice where the whole society will grow up in a fine order, and receive happiness which nature assigns to them.

There seems to be two causes of the deterioration of a society, wealth, and poverty. Under the influence either poverty or wealth society is likely to go downhill. Wealth and poverty both create discontent; one is indolence, and the other meagerness. When the pottery maker becomes rich no longer takes the same time with the art, becomes more and more idle and careless being rich. Whereas say the potter who has no money and cannot provide the tools or instruments needed it’s work deteriorates too.
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Socrates believed anything generated has an opposition such as just and unjust, good and bad and the numerous other opposites that are generated out of opposites.



Whatever comes into being generates out of opposition. That which has no opposition can never be anything but perfect, like the sun well rounded extends in all directions equally.

Sunlight is only present not matter, it is pure power, that has the possibility of unifying with all things it enters into community with.

Everything exists because of sunlight its common sharing, interconnectedness unlimited spatial dispersion. It is only through a limitation such as matter that avyia;ity begins. Light affirms everything as same or maybe not same but illuminates everything. Sunlight is devoid of inner opposition whereas matter has inner physical material existence.


"Since the utmost limit of being is perfect, it resembles on every side the form of a well rounded sphere, which from its centre extends in all directions equally, for it can be neither larger or smaller in one part or another. There is no non-being which prevents it from attaining to the like.” Parmenides wrote. (Arist. Phys. p. 27b; 31b):
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Using words is skill a talent one must have a good idea of words and then have experience of them in life in speaking, teaching, or writing. Unfortunately writing is a mere opinion and if I ask any word a question, the word conserves a solemn silence. Words written down are tumbled about anywhere among those who may or may not understand them and maltreat them, abuse them, because words have no kin to protect them.

Arithmetic is a talent too it compels the mind to knowledge about things has a very elevating effect. Math may be truly called necessary for the use of philosophers should be trained and which must not be given up.

You will not easily find a study more difficult. Geometry too, it compels you to view the vision of the idea of good; all things tend to good. Geometry compels the mind to turn and gaze towards that place where full perfection of essence ought to behold.

Mathematics, Geometry numbers are necessary in all arts and sciences and intelligences, they are used in common, and which every one first has to learn among the elements of education a little matter of distinguishing one, two, and three In a word, numbers and calculation

Numbers attain truth. Turn and gaze towards the full perfection of one and behold not in a narrow manner of squaring and extending. Or applying and the like, that narrow mindedness only confuse Mathematics, and Geometry with those activities.

How one number has more meaning then the other or a particularizing numbers making one to have more intelligence than the other belongs essentially to the sphere of fortuitous sense. It depends entirely on the individual who is using them, and who is says that numbers by such and such number influences on such and such cause, circumstance, situation, custom, and so on have no truth. Individuals adopt these various attitudes with a view of themselves and their habits, and ways of thinking and come across, as being true; by its own activity is bent on its own affections, and emotions, carries off numbers and makes certain special moment of certain individual numbers.
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Pythagoras had two distinct principles to follow that says that to be patient under suffering is best, and that we should not give way to impatience as there is no knowing whether such things are good or bad; and that nothing is gained by impatience. He felt also no thing is of serious importance, and grief stands in the way of that which at the moment is most required.


Take counsel Pythagoras believed about what has happened, and when the dice have been thrown accustoms mind to apply a remedy, rising up that which has fallen, banishing the cry of sorrow by a healing art.

Socrates believed everyone is ruled by a divine wisdom dwelling within. The corruption of the majority is also unavoidable but if well educated, grow into rational people will easily see their way through all the troubles life disperses at them,

Socrates has laid out a pattern of the true philosopher to see and set self in that order. But whether such pattern exists, or ever will exist, no matter I will live after that manner.

Zeus whispers in the philosopher's ear that no pleasure except that of wisdom be quite true and pure believed pleasure seeks the guidance and company of purpose. That shows the truest pleasures the philosopher lives after this manner and has nothing to do with any other.
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Pythagoras was greatly loved by his followers for his knowledge even today he has followers. The same as the followers of Zeus have a mind like him; therefore philosophical natures dedicated wholly to the upholding of truth, impersonate and not ashamed.

Like happy friends in a pilgrimage, live in light always. Philosophers the spectator of all time harmonious just and gentle, even in youth depends upon their self-control, meaning the better elements of the mind lead to order and reason and frees the virtuous elements of happiness.
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"Know Thy self” look in self and know truth is captain and self-control follows. Through a mirror image comes. What is truth but objective reality, in other words the assurance of self? Know thy self comes forward asserts not just certainty of self but purpose.

Feelings overcome purpose is like watching an archer pushing and pulling the bow at the same time, one hand pushes and the other pulls. One bids and the other forbid, the forbidding and bidding one is purpose and feelings. Therefore, truth falls into a contradiction has a twofold nature one is idealism, and the other reason.

Every individual should be put to use for which nature intends them to be, only when every person did their own business, the whole society would be one and not many.
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You sad stupid ****, what else but endless culturally determined and socially contained perspectives can you provide?

Keep asking and answering yourself, hoping that someone more stupid that you ventures into your little charade and you finally come face to face with the reality of your own simplicity.
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Satyr wrote:You sad stupid ****, what else but endless culturally determined and socially contained perspectives can you provide?

Keep asking and answering yourself, hoping that someone more stupid that you ventures into your little charade and you finally come face to face with the reality of your own simplicity.
The funny thing is, she would most likely mop the floor with you in debate. :lol:
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