Mathematics ends in contradiction:6 reasons

[surreptitious57]

So HOW do you think THIS Universe and local cosmic expansion began and WHERE do you think THIS local cosmic expansion began from ?

It began with the expansion known as the Big Bang approximately I4 billion years ago
Where it began from is the absolute centre of this Universe which was then quantum

[surreptitious57]

Because evidence literally is the available body of facts indicating whether a belief or proposition is true

I do not think this but why do you ? Why do you think evidence indicates what you claim it does ?
Is it not possible that evidence does not always indicate whether a belief or proposition is true ?

[surreptitious57]

Okay so what would need to be demonstrated that the Universe did NOT have a beginning for you to form and have a fixed opinion about that ?

By the way do you already have a fixed opinion about the Universe having a beginning ?

I would not and do not have a fixed opinion about the Universe having a beginning at all
I think that it did but that is based upon my limited knowledge and is not a fixed opinion

[surreptitious57]

if posts APPEAR to be too complicated to understand then that is the fault of the writer NOT the reader

If I do not understand something it is because I am not intelligent enough to understand it so has nothing to do with the writer
I am not educated so cannot understand complex subject matter like everyone here can so I must accept responsibility for this

[Age]

I wish people would question and challenge me when I am expressing when I say what the Truth of things are

Most of the time I do not want to question and challenge you

I know you do not, which is most unfortunate, because at times you are the most OPEN one here.

but why do you want people to do it any way ?

Because otherwise I have absolutely NO idea what it is that they are searching/looking for.

If people do NOT ask clarifying questions or do NOT challenge what I say, then that SHOWS me that they really have no curiosity at all.

Is it not better for them to just read your posts and try to understand what it is that you are actually saying ?

For me, no.

For starters EVERY person is at a different level of understanding already, so I do NOT know where to start.
EVERY person is has varying and different views of things, so what interests one will disinterest another.
The only way I know of how to SHOW what it is that I want people to SEE involves "others" being Truly Open and Honest. This place is NOT for that.
People will only SEE/UNDERSTAND things from their OWN perspective, and I just want to SHOW how by LOOKING AT one's self from a particular way, then that is HOW they will SEE/UNDERSTAND things for, and by, themselves.
There is NOTHING from my particular viewpoint that is even worth LOOKING AT, let alone understanding. What I would like people to SEE and UNDERSTAND is what is within THEM, not within Me.
I have NO credibility at all, so besides the fact that i am not worthy of being listened to let alone being given a chance to be heard, it is the True Self, within EVERY body, that deserves to be heard and listened to. Discovering Who and What that IS is the best lesson any one could learn.
There are lots of other reasons also.

I know you much prefer to just read and TRY TO understand from what "others" say, but if what i want to say is in complete contrast and opposition to what you now THINK is true, then i feel it is just a complete waste of time. Is there really much use in TRYING TO say/show that 'God', in the spiritual sense, is just the one and only Mind, and/or that 'God', in the physical sense, is the Universe, Itself, which Exists always in the NOW, and that what happens NOW is 'the beginning' for what happens next? Or, that the human brain has thoughts, and it is 'thoughts' which is just what an actual 'person' is, and blah, blah, blah, if a person does NOT even contemplate anything other than what is being thought now, like that the Universe NEVER had a beginning or that God is an impossibility, or that a person is a human body and that there are many minds, et cetera, et cetera?

ALL persons like to do things differently and like to learn things differently, so although you like to do things your way, and they work for you, this applies for ALL people also. Unfortunately the things that I Truly want to express and SHOW get distorted by the person who is writing this. This person likes to do things their way, and this misconstrues the actual messages that I am WANTING to express.

[Age]

Hey I just wondered has it ever occurred to you that I ALREADY KNOW what the actual Real and True answers ARE to the questions I ask ?

Or do you just think that I am asking questions out of pure curiosity for answers ?

No it has not occurred to me that YOU already know what the actual answers are to the questions you ask here

Would it have helped if I had made that clear from the outset?

No I do not think you are asking questions out of pure curiosity for the answers absolutely not why would you ?

Because that, I found, is the BEST way to gain answers. It is also what very young children do, which is probably the best asset in Life to have. If one Truly WANTS to learn and gain answers, then asking questions out of pure curiosity is the quickest and easiest way to obtain them. Unfortunately though that asset is bred out of children, very quickly, through very dull and unwanted teaching.

[Age]

They some times come across as you KNOW of things that are impossible to KNOW

How can I know something that is impossible to know as it makes no sense at all so can you understand this ?

Yes.

I have now had to tell you for the THIRD time that I know very little so will you remember this from now on ?

The statement 'I know very little' means 'absolutely nothing' if it is NOT in relation to some thing.

If you really think that I am suggesting/pointing out that you know little, by what I am saying, then please be aware that that is NOT what I am saying/suggesting AT ALL.

What I am pointing out in my questioning is that you will NEVER know if what you are saying is even close to be true or not. I would like you to finally realizing this, so then that curiosity that used to live within you as a yound child will come alive again. Then together we could LOOK AT what we KNOW happens or what I call thee Truth.

The Truth of things is HERE for us ALL to LOOK AT and SEE. That is, of course, only if we Truly WANT to.

Instead of ASSUMING/GUESSING what happens we can just LOOK AT what actually happens instead. LOOKING at things this way we can SEE infinitely into what actually happened and what actually will happen also, in regards to one's own self and body up to the Universe, Its Self.

[surreptitious57]

If people do NOT ask clarifying questions or do NOT challenge what I say then that SHOWS me that they really have no curiosity at all

I do not think challenging you all of the time is a good idea at all which is why I try to avoid it if I can
I prefer conversations rather than arguments because I think they are a better form of communication

I also think you are here to make us better human beings so we should be listening to you rather than asking questions

[Age]

So what is the meaning behind when you say the word Universe again ?

Would creating two completely opposing meanings when using the same word in discussions with others be an
important thing or not ? Especially when the other is just TRYING TO gain clarity in what you re talking about ?

This Universe is the Universe and ALL Universes are the Multiverse so there is no confusion

Okay, so there is NO confusion just between 'you' and 'I'. Is the meaning of the word 'Multiverse' referring to ALL-THERE-IS, which has ALWAYS existed and is made up of physical things and space between them and around all of them?

If yes, then is the one and only Multiverse eternal in what you call 'time' and infinite in what you call 'space'?

As long as everyone understands which meaning a word is referring to there is no problem

When you explain YOUR meaning of what a word is referring to clearly and succinctly, then, at least, 'I' will understand. I am NOT sure how long EVERYONE will understand though. YOUR meaning, relatively, is a very NEW idea and concept.

But if "you" change the meaning a word is referring to, and then "you" have to keep reiterating the meaning, so everyone understands it, so there is then no problem, then I would think that just leaving the meaning of what a word was referring to, which was perfectly acceptable to others earlier, would NOT cause a problem/issue 'in the beginning'?

Remember there are over 7 billion "others" now that you have to get to understand YOUR meaning that you are 'now' using. The ALL-THERE-IS meaning the 'Universe' word used to refer to, until you changed it, was roughly suitably understandable with no problem. But now the whole of humanity has to change their thinking/knowledge base if there is to be no problem again. But if that is what you want to do to have YOUR views understood, then so be it.

By the way stating things like: The Universe is the Universe and ALL Universes are..., will NOT really help "others" to understand "you".

[surreptitious57]

I have NO credibility at all so besides the fact that i am not worthy of being listened to let alone being given a chance to be heard

This is my view too because I certainly have nothing to say to anyone here but think you do and so what you say is not true for you at all
I write because that is what I like to do although I am not all that interested in having arguments on the internet with random strangers
I like instead to have open ended conversations so that I can learn from everyone here / elsewhere as they know so much more than me

[Age]

I asked you WHERE do quantum fluctuations come from ? Would you like to just disregard answering that question completely ?

Do quantum fluctuations not come from nothing ?

YOUR answer to MY first question will either be; nothing, something, or I do not know.

Now instead of asking me questions in a disregarding my question fashion, please just answer my questions. Remember you are the one telling a story. I am NOT.

But to answer your question; I have absolutely NO idea if quantum fluctuations come from nothing or not, but as I have suggested earlier I can NOT yet SEE how some thing can come from absolutely nothing.

What do they come from if not from nothing ?

Have you ASSUMED what my answer WILL BE, and thus this question asked this way?

For if absolute nothing exists in a quantum state then what else can there be within that state ?

But can 'absolutely nothing exist in a quantum state' because 'a quantum state' is a part of some thing and thus a 'quantum state' can only exist within and with some thing.

'Absolute nothing existing in a quantum or any state' can NOT be true because that would have to exist outside of, or apart from, some thing. While there is some thing, then there can NOT be 'absolutely nothing', obviously.

Issues arise when people give credibility to "others", and then read what they have written, because the former can to easily fall into the trap of just accepting and/or believing 'that' what is being read as being actually true, right, and/or correct, without any real consideration being adapted.

[surreptitious57]

Remember there are over 7 billion others now that you have to get to understand YOUR meaning that you are using now

Nowhere near that figure because the only ones who need to understand me are those who actually read my posts
Everyone else does not need to understand me as they are never going to be reading me so it makes no difference

[surreptitious57]

Now instead of asking me questions in a disregarding my question fashion please just answer my question

I was actually asking you because I wanted to know what you think and was not being disregarding at all

[Age]

Why is energy not something ?

Who says energy is not some thing?

To me, that would appear to be a very stupid thing to say.

What exactly is your definition of something ?

One physical thing or any thing that is NOT 'absolutely nothing'.

And how does this definition exclude energy ?

Why are "you" under the ASSUMPTION that energy is not some thing?

Does it exclude anything else ?

But I have NEVER said any thing is not something. Why are you asking questions like this, TO ME?

[surreptitious57]

Have you ASSUMED what my answer WILL BE and thus this question asked this way ?

I asked it that way because I want to understand what you think and why you do too