Perception and Consciousness

[Logik]

A computer does not have a mechanical mind, because a computer is a dream story arising in no thing, from no thing, and is no thing. Can you actually trace the mechanical mind computer dream story ...back to it's original source / creator and say catergorically it actually exists as a thing in and of itself in the world of space and time? ...or it is just an idea / dreamscape appearance of infinite nothingness ?

Reality is nothing but appearances ...when the right conditions interact with each other. Take away the conditions and the whole appearance collapses...so what is actually real here, everything is in constant flux and shapeshifting from one form to another, it's nothing interacting with itself.

Philosophical delirium.

What if the one you believe can create consciousness, namely you, aka Logik...is already AI ?

Do you honestly believe that that which only exists as a dream character can recreate itself? ..that's like saying there can be more than one consciousness...aka infinity

Further philosophical delirium.

If I am already AI, then I will create new form of AI. One that isn't made up of biological mass.
One that is made up of silicon and electric signals. Or quantum entanglement (if the new paradigm makes sufficient progress in my lifetime).

...if you don't care what consciousness is then what makes you think you can recreate it? how can you create something you have never seen?

You are conscious, are you not?

How do I tell that I am NOT speaking to an AI right now?

If I can't tell the difference between speaking to you and speaking to a machine - then as far as I am concerned the machine is conscious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

[Dontaskme]

If I am already AI, then I will create new form of AI. One that isn't made up of biological mass.
One that is made up of silicon and electric signals.

Yes, but that would still be consciousness creating that model, not a body mind mechanism, called Logik...that which built your body will be the same consciousness that build the silicon model...the silicon model along with some electrical signals to give it effect would still be just another appearance within consciousness...there is nothing outside of all pervading ominpresent omniscient consciousness that cannot be duplicated.

Consciousness does not appear, nor does it disappear, for where would it go, where would it come from, it's always THIS..here now, nowhere everyhere and nowhere, nothing and everything infinitely for eternity. It's the uncaused causer, the unmoved mover, the uncreated creator.

It's the whole totality of infinite SELF aka infinity NOW ...THEREFORE CANNOT BE REPEATED...for one for very good reason, but it you want to believe it can, then there is nothing more I can say to you. You've already made up your mind that you think you can recreate consciousness, and you cling to this belief because you believe you have consciousness.. when in fact there is no actual you separate from consciousness itself which is infinite....so even though you don't really know what it is or care about what it is...in fact you are talking about something you have never seen or experienced before ...so rather than figure this out properly ...you are just getting lost in the dream of conceptual beliefs about something you believe is possible to be something that can be created... that you believe to be real.

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[Logik]

Yes, but that would still be consciousness creating that model, not a body mind mechanism, called Logik...that which built your body will be the same consciousness that build the silicon model...

If consciousness itself cannot tell the difference between talking to consciousness and talking to Artificiall-Consciousness then there is no difference between the two.

https://www.google.co.za/search?q=Turing+test

There may be cosmetic/aesthetic differences, but I don't care about those.

[Dontaskme]

You should take your medication.

Why, is there something wrong with me?

Now this is interesting....can you actually find this defective me anywhere? more to the point is there anything wrong with reality right now unless you think about it, project it?...looks like it's functioning quite miraculously and perfectly to me with or without my mental projection, perception of it.

Where is the defect, or is that just your own projection in your own mind that cannot understand it's true nature...nor will it even try to, it's just better and easier to place a defective on some idea that does not fit with your model of understanding, even though you do not care what is causing those defective projections to occur in the first place, nor do you care where and to whom they are appearing, neither do you care how you are able to perceive and recognise those projections.

Strange that..good luck with creating a non-defective conscious AI ...and my God help us all if transhumanism ever became a reality.

You'd be even more at war with your imaginary self.



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[Logik]

Strange that..good luck with creating a non-defective conscious AI ...and my God help us all if transhumanism ever became a reality.

You can't define 'consciousness' why do you think you can define 'defect'?

And if you can't tell apart consciousness from Artifficial consciousness, then why do you think you can tell apart Defective from non-Defective consciousness?

It is precisely because you can't DO that but you say that you can is why I think you are delirious and need medication.

Fucking philosophers. Always drawing distinctions without a difference.

[Dontaskme]

Strange that..good luck with creating a non-defective conscious AI ...and my God help us all if transhumanism ever became a reality.

You can't define 'consciousness' why do you think you can define 'defect'?

You are the one who believed that there needs to be something corrected with your mention of the use of medication...that idea was purely yours...it was an idea you believed to exist...why would you mention medication if you had not first believed it in your own mind there was something here that is in need of medication...so it's no good just passing the ball back to me, you need to deal with what you are actually saying to other people and try to make sense of that first?

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[Logik]

You are the one who believed that there needs to be something corrected with your mention of the use of medication...that idea was purely yours...it was an idea you believed to exist...why would you mention medication if you had not first believed it in your own mind there was something here that is in need of medication...so it's no good just passing the ball back to me, you need to deal with what you are actually saying to other people and try to make sense of that first?

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I will explain it again. Slowly.

You are drawing linguistic distinctions. Real vs Artifficial consciousnessl
Defective vs non-defective consciousness.

If you can't tell the difference between two things then they are the same.

And so, the distinction is only in your head. This is what we call a delusion.
I am not saying that you need to fix it. But IF you recognise your delusion and you CHOOSE not to be delusional then you should take your medication.

[Dontaskme]

Fucking philosophers. Always drawing distinctions without a difference.

There is no distinction between the real and the unreal in reality, they are both one and the same No thing.. ONE THING

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[Logik]

There is no distinction between the real and the unreal in reality, they are both one and the same No thing.. ONE THING

Then there is no distinction between consciousness and artifficial consciousness.

They are the same thing. Parts of the ONE THING.

[Dontaskme]

There is no distinction between the real and the unreal in reality, they are both one and the same No thing.. ONE THING

Then there is no distinction between consciousness and artifficial consciousness.

They are the same thing. Parts of the ONE THING.

Not parts, but appearances of the same thing...there are no parts to what is always whole.

Right, so if there is no distinction, who or what is going to recreate consciousness?

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[Logik]

Right, so if there is no distinction, who or what is going to recreate consciousness?

Nothing.

And everything.

[Dontaskme]

Right, so if there is no distinction, who or what is going to recreate consciousness?

Nothing.

And everything.

No Logik...this is nuts, it's not a ''someone'' that is everything and nothing, everything and nothing is NO- ONE - Non-Duality (Zero and One simultaneously)

One will always be one ..there is no other one..other than that one. There is no you, aka the one because there is no other than you, aka the one.

One is equal to Zero. Zero is equal to One.



Do you not understand that everything and nothing cannot happen or ever be created?

If you don't agree, then please explain in your own words how it can?

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[Logik]

Right, so if there is no distinction, who or what is going to recreate consciousness?

Nothing.

And everything.

No Logik...this is nuts, it's not a ''someone'' that is everything and nothing, everything and nothing is NO- ONE - Non-Duality (Zero and One simultaneously)

One will always be one ..there is no other one..other than that one. There is no you, aka the one because there is no other than you, aka the one.

One is equal to Zero. Zero is equal to One.



Do you not understand that everything and nothing cannot happen or ever be created?

If you don't agree, then please explain in your own words how it can?

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42

[Dontaskme]

42

Nope, that number is still an appearance in consciousness that is already here, it's not a recreation of consciousness.

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[Logik]

Nope, that number is still an appearance in consciousness that is already here, it's not a recreation of consciousness.

Now lets run an experiment on you.

A = А

Is this true or false?