Do you think you know that the Moon exists?

[Logik]

I'm not asking you if the concept of the Moon is known. I'm asking you if you think you know that the Moon exists.

You have given it a symbol. Moon
Symbols correspond to a concepts.

The concept corresponding to the symbol Moon exists in your mind.

[Dontaskme]

I'm not asking you if the concept of the Moon is known. I'm asking you if you think you know that the Moon exists.
EB

Yes, I think I know that the Moon exists.

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[Atla]

I didn't talk of the subjective in contrast of something else. You're making this up.
Isn't ironic, you're reproaching me my Dualism and then you're the one insisting subjectivity should be contrasted? Isn't that asking for a kind of Dualism? You're being incoherent.

So all you know are subjective impressions, however subjectivity is irrelevant here, doesn't really mean anything.

That makes no sense. Whether or not the Moon exists has nothing to do with your subjective impressions then. And yet you say you can't possibly know that it exists. Does not compute.

Maybe you mean that you can't know for certain that it exists?

[Speakpigeon]

I'm not asking you if the concept of the Moon is known. I'm asking you if you think you know that the Moon exists.

You have given it a symbol. Moon Symbols correspond to a concepts. The concept corresponding to the symbol Moon exists in your mind.

Which is irrelevant to my question.
EB

[Speakpigeon]

I'm not asking you if the concept of the Moon is known. I'm asking you if you think you know that the Moon exists.
EB

Yes, I think I know that the Moon exists.

Here is what I mean by the word "Moon":

Moon
1. The natural satellite of Earth, visible by reflection of sunlight and having a slightly elliptical orbit, approximately 363,100 kilometers (225,600 miles) distant at perigee and 405,700 kilometers (252,100 miles) at apogee. Its mean diameter is 3,475 kilometers (2,159 miles), its mass approximately one eightieth that of Earth, and its average period of revolution around Earth 29 days 12 hours 44 minutes calculated with respect to the sun.

Do you know that the Moon, as described here, exists outside your mind?
EB

[Logik]

Which is irrelevant to my question.

If you can't explain your question, how do you expect a relevant answer?

There is the signifier for Moon that exists in my mind. There is the signified for "Moon" to which the signifier points to.

But for the life of me I still can't understand your question. What information do you need from me?

Let me draw it with crayons for you.

moon.jpg.png

[Speakpigeon]

I didn't talk of the subjective in contrast of something else. You're making this up.

So all you know are subjective impressions, however subjectivity is irrelevant here, doesn't really mean anything.

It's amazing the number of words that happen to not mean anything these days. Is that some kind of virus you're all infected with?!
Here is what "subjective" means:

Subjective
a. Dependent on or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: "The sensation of pain is a highly subjective experience that varies by culture as well as by individual temperament and situation" (John Hoberman).

So, either you don't speak English or you don't understand it.

That makes no sense. Whether or not the Moon exists has nothing to do with your subjective impressions then. And yet you say you can't possibly know that it exists. Does not compute.

Non-sequitur. To say that you don't know that X exists doesn't implies that X doesn't exist.
So, yes, you're being irrational. Your logic is substandard and your English sucks, which means you are ignorant of the routine linguistic facts of English.

Maybe you mean that you can't know for certain that it exists?

Certain? I am asking if you think you know the Moon exists. What is it you don't understand in there? Simple question, answer yes or no.
EB

[Logik]

What is it you don't understand in there? Simple question, answer yes or no.

You can't answer yes/no questions in First Order (Classical) logic?

I know you THINK you can, but you are a stupid Aristotelian who THINKS he knows stuff.

http://kilby.stanford.edu/~rvg/154/handouts/fol.html

Yes/no questions are my domain. Computer science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_problem

Get smart and try again.

[Speakpigeon]

Which is irrelevant to my question.

If you can't explain your question, how do you expect a relevant answer?

It's a fairly simple question. Only idiots will fail to understand it.

There is the signifier for Moon that exists in my mind. There is the signified for "Moon" to which the signifier points to. But for the life of me I still can't understand your question. What information do you need from me?

You've already provided an answer by admitting you know nothing.
EB

[Logik]

It's a fairly simple question. Only idiots will fail to understand it.

Confusing the complex for the simple is empirical evidence for ignorance...

Yes/No questions (Decision problems) are part of complexity theory. Which complexity-class do you think your question falls under?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity_class

You've already provided an answer by admitting you know nothing.

And you already made an ass out of yourself when you claimed that you do.

And I keep showing you that you are mistaken.

[Dontaskme]

Moon
1. The natural satellite of Earth, visible by reflection of sunlight and having a slightly elliptical orbit, approximately 363,100 kilometers (225,600 miles) distant at perigee and 405,700 kilometers (252,100 miles) at apogee. Its mean diameter is 3,475 kilometers (2,159 miles), its mass approximately one eightieth that of Earth, and its average period of revolution around Earth 29 days 12 hours 44 minutes calculated with respect to the sun.

Do you know that the Moon, as described here, exists outside your mind?
EB

What you are describing aka a 'Moon' is knowledge, it's a concept known. There is nothing outside of knowledge, language, that can be known.

There is no 'your' mind, or any thing outside of mind.. there is only mind and the contents..ie: thoughts, knowledge etc.

The mind cannot be conceived of, for it is the source of conception.As the Unknowable, Knowing is known.

The Moon is an object. All objects 'exist' only as mental conceptions within the knowing which is one with Consciousness.

There is nothing outside of Consciousness.

Consciousness does not experience directly an external world out there, because there is no external world apart from Consciousness itself.

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[Atla]

It's amazing the number of words that happen to not mean anything these days. Is that some kind of virus you're all infected with?!

Do you write your comments in French and then use Google translate or something? You don't seem to know how to use English words..

Here is what "subjective" means:
Subjective
a. Dependent on or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: "The sensation of pain is a highly subjective experience that varies by culture as well as by individual temperament and situation" (John Hoberman).
So, either you don't speak English or you don't understand it.

The point of a philosophical discussion is to debate for example which meaning of "subjective" is most likely to be correct.

Non-sequitur. To say that you don't know that X exists doesn't implies that X doesn't exist.
So, yes, you're being irrational. Your logic is substandard and your English sucks, which means you are ignorant of the routine linguistic facts of English.

Except I wrote nothing of the sort.

Certain? I am asking if you think you know the Moon exists. What is it you don't understand in there? Simple question, answer yes or no.

Well I assumed that your question had a point, that the topic had a point, maybe, as it was posted on a philosophy forum. Guess it doesn't?
Okay, I'm about 98% sure that the Moon exists.

[Speakpigeon]

What is it you don't understand in there? Simple question, answer yes or no.

You can't answer yes/no questions in First Order (Classical) logic?

That's seriously idiotic.
First, I don't use and don't need 1st order logic.
Also, logic was never meant to answer questions on it's own. Mon pauvre ami, tu défonces une porte grande ouverte.

I know you THINK you can, but you are a stupid Aristotelian who THINKS he knows stuff.

No, you've admitted you know nothing.

http://kilby.stanford.edu/~rvg/154/handouts/fol.html

Irrelevant.
No logic in there.

Yes/no questions are my domain. Computer science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_problem

Irrelevant.
Formal logic is an analytical tool. It's not meant to answer any question on its own. Do you ask your feet to walk by themselves?!
However, there's very little at the macroscopic level that the brain does that doesn't involve its logical capability. Like your feet, to go to most places, you need them.
And most of what we do, we don't need anything "lambda"...
EB

[Speakpigeon]

It's amazing the number of words that happen to not mean anything these days. Is that some kind of virus you're all infected with?!

Do you write your comments in French and then use Google translate or something? You don't seem to know how to use English words.

My sentence was flawless. The Google translation into French gives exactly what I would have written in French.

C'est incroyable le nombre de mots qui ne veulent rien dire ces jours-ci. Est-ce une sorte de virus avec lequel vous êtes tous infectés?!

Perfect.
EB

[Logik]

What is it you don't understand in there? Simple question, answer yes or no.

You can't answer yes/no questions in First Order (Classical) logic?

That's seriously idiotic.
First, I don't use and don't need 1st order logic.
Also, logic was never meant to answer questions on it's own. Mon pauvre ami, tu défonces une porte grande ouverte.

I know you THINK you can, but you are a stupid Aristotelian who THINKS he knows stuff.

No, you've admitted you know nothing.

http://kilby.stanford.edu/~rvg/154/handouts/fol.html

Irrelevant.
No logic in there.

Yes/no questions are my domain. Computer science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_problem

Irrelevant.
Formal logic is an analytical tool. It's not meant to answer any question on its own. Do you ask your feet to walk by themselves?!
However, there's very little at the macroscopic level that the brain does that doesn't involve its logical capability. Like your feet, to go to most places, you need them.
And most of what we do, we don't need anything "lambda"...
EB

You are an incredibly stupid person. You have compartmentalized your mind to a level where you can't even think straight.

You asked a question. I have to consider the question in context. Extract meaning. Understand what you want from me. You don't think I need an analytical tool to do all of those things?

If I can't extract meaning from your question - how do you expect me to give you an answer? Flip a coin?

I drew a picture for you. Is the information contained in the drawing insufficient to help you answer your own question?