((P=P) = (-P = -P)) → ¬ (P ∨ -P)

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Re: ((P=P) = (-P = -P)) → ¬ (P ∨ -P)

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:44 pm Contextuality is a self-referential statement, and as such is absolute and approximated through multiple variations.
It is not. It has a precise and formal meaning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context_(computing)

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Yeah it does do it in the context of what does it, but the problem occurs in the respect one context is alway antithetical to another and solutions might effectively be "problems".
Problems/solutions in what context ? ;)

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Terms are descriptions at a conceptual level at minimum.
Yes. But they are not frozen in time. Change-through-time is the dynamic aspect. HOW they change through time is described by an algorithm of some sort.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm But you said absolute does not exist, hence if 0 is an absolute then there is not absolute.
Representation vs behaviourism. Can you think of any object in the physical world which behaves like a 0?

0 is a black hole!
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Nothingness cannot be observed except through somethingness and in these respects it sets a foundation for a dualism.
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Nothingness cannot be observed even by somethingness.

0 is a hack in mathematics.
(0,1]

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Hidden variable is still a defined variable where what is "known" effectively encapsulates what is not known leading to a from of self-referentiality in what is known.
But you can't reason about its behaviour, and therefore cannot calculate its consequences.
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Re: ((P=P) = (-P = -P)) → ¬ (P ∨ -P)

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:44 pm Contextuality is a self-referential statement, and as such is absolute and approximated through multiple variations.
It is not. It has a precise and formal meaning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context_(computing)

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Yeah it does do it in the context of what does it, but the problem occurs in the respect one context is alway antithetical to another and solutions might effectively be "problems".
Problems/solutions in what context ? ;)

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Terms are descriptions at a conceptual level at minimum.
Yes. But they are not frozen in time. Change-through-time is the dynamic aspect. HOW they change through time is described by an algorithm of some sort.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm But you said absolute does not exist, hence if 0 is an absolute then there is not absolute.
Representation vs behaviourism. Can you think of any object in the physical world which behaves like a 0?

0 is a black hole!
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Nothingness cannot be observed except through somethingness and in these respects it sets a foundation for a dualism.
Nothingness cannot be observed even by somethingness.

0 is a hack in mathematics.
It should probably be treated as an open interval: (0,1]

But we are pragmatist and 0 is useful, so whatever.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Hidden variable is still a defined variable where what is "known" effectively encapsulates what is not known leading to a from of self-referentiality in what is known.
But you can't reason about its behaviour, and therefore cannot calculate its consequences.
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Re: ((P=P) = (-P = -P)) → ¬ (P ∨ -P)

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Logik wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:54 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:44 pm Contextuality is a self-referential statement, and as such is absolute and approximated through multiple variations.
It is not. It has a precise and formal meaning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context_(computing)

Good then define it without using further contexts.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Yeah it does do it in the context of what does it, but the problem occurs in the respect one context is alway antithetical to another and solutions might effectively be "problems".
Problems/solutions in what context ? ;)

The context itself :).

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Terms are descriptions at a conceptual level at minimum.
Yes. But they are not frozen in time. Change-through-time is the dynamic aspect. HOW they change through time is described by an algorithm of some sort.

In the respect one symbol exists through another, in certain respects they are not subject to time.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm But you said absolute does not exist, hence if 0 is an absolute then there is not absolute.
Representation vs behaviourism. Can you think of any object in the physical world which behaves like a 0?

0 is a black hole!

And 0d points space.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Nothingness cannot be observed except through somethingness and in these respects it sets a foundation for a dualism.
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Nothingness cannot be observed even by somethingness.

0 is a hack in mathematics.
(0,1]
0 can only be observed through a multiplicity of 1's, it sets the foundation for deductivity, atomism, etc.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Hidden variable is still a defined variable where what is "known" effectively encapsulates what is not known leading to a from of self-referentiality in what is known.
But you can't reason about its behaviour, and therefore cannot calculate its consequences.

The consequences cannot be calculated if "now" is not calculated and that is a whole seperate discussion relative to the philosophy of computation.

Computation is a variation of definition, that is it.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:04 pm Good then define it without using further contexts.
I don't have to. It's The Construct. It needs no definition. It is that which interprets.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm The context itself
This is my context.
➜ ~ ipython
Python 3.6.8 |Anaconda, Inc.| (default, Dec 29 2018, 19:04:46)
Type 'copyright', 'credits' or 'license' for more information
IPython 7.2.0 -- An enhanced Interactive Python. Type '?' for help.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm In the respect one symbol exists through another, in certain respects they are not subject to time
We call this stateful vs stateless behaviour. Or inter-dependency.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm And 0d points space.
0d point-space being a sphere/cube with Planck diameter/length.

Or 1 bit of memory.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm The consequences cannot be calculated if "now" is not calculated and that is a whole seperate discussion relative to the philosophy of computation.
The consequences cannot be calculated IF time is frozen.

Good thing you don't have to worry about this problem in this universe ;)
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Computation is a variation of definition, that is it.
Yes! And that is "all" there is to behaviourism! System Dynamics ;)

Evolution through time. You mistake the complex for the simple.
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Re: ((P=P) = (-P = -P)) → ¬ (P ∨ -P)

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Logik wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:18 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:04 pm Good then define it without using further contexts.
I don't have to. It's The Construct. It needs no definition. It is that which interprets.


Good then the most universal construct is the Munchauseen Trillema and its self cancelization into a Prime Triad as the foundation of all contexts.



Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm The context itself
This is my context.
➜ ~ ipython
Python 3.6.8 |Anaconda, Inc.| (default, Dec 29 2018, 19:04:46)
Type 'copyright', 'credits' or 'license' for more information
IPython 7.2.0 -- An enhanced Interactive Python. Type '?' for help.

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Here is mine: ⊙

Much simpler.



Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm In the respect one symbol exists through another, in certain respects they are not subject to time
We call this stateful vs stateless behaviour. Or inter-dependency.

Then all context exists as one context.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm And 0d points space.
0d point-space being a sphere/cube with Planck diameter/length.

Or 1 bit of memory.

I argue about the issues of plank time elsewhere.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm The consequences cannot be calculated if "now" is not calculated and that is a whole seperate discussion relative to the philosophy of computation.
The consequences cannot be calculated IF time is frozen.

Good thing you don't have to worry about this problem in this universe ;)

Actually the quantum zero effect can reproduce a grade of it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Computation is a variation of definition, that is it.
Yes! And that is "all" there is to behaviourism! System Dynamics ;)

Evolution through time. You mistake the complex for the simple.

Evolution exists dually with devolution.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:10 pm Good then the most universal construct is the Munchauseen Trillema and its self cancelization into a Prime Triad as the foundation of all contexts.
No idea what that means.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm
If simplicity is what you are after a dot is simpler.
Not very useful, but simpler.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Then all context exists as one context.
It's called The Universe.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Actually the quantum zero effect can reproduce a grade of it
So in the context of The Universe, we've managed to freeze time for 1 quantum particle.

Methinks you are lacking perspective ;)
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Evolution exists dually with devolution.
No idea what that means.
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Re: ((P=P) = (-P = -P)) → ¬ (P ∨ -P)

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Logik wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:20 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:10 pm Good then the most universal construct is the Munchauseen Trillema and its self cancelization into a Prime Triad as the foundation of all contexts.
No idea what that means.

1. All axioms are accepted as is; hence dually points of origin.
2. All axioms are circular; hence self maintained.
3. All axioms are regressivr; hence linear continuums.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm
If simplicity is what you are after a dot is simpler.
Not very useful, but simpler.

Can observe a other dot without reference to another infinite set of dots.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Then all context exists as one context.
It's called The Universe.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Actually the quantum zero effect can reproduce a grade of it
So in the context of The Universe, we've managed to freeze time for 1 quantum particle.

Methinks you are lacking perspective ;)

In the quantum zeno effect that is what the physicists argue.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm Evolution exists dually with devolution.
No idea what that means.

Evolution is not a universal "be all and all".
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