Universe can't be infinite.

[Atla]

What you wrote makes abso fucking lutely no sense. You can't simplify it to such simple symbols, simple logical expressions, you can't use U for unvierse at all in such a manner, and there is no recursion here and thoughts aren't computation either. You are very ill.

I can't? Why not? You simplified it to a stupid phrase like "The Universe", but I can't call it just U?

OK, if you insist on verbosity - I am happy to do that.

Atla's CONCEPTION of The Universe exists in Atla's head.
Atla's head exists in the Universe.
Therefore Atla's CONCEPTION of The Universe exists in The Universe.

Furthermore Atla's CONCEPTION of The Universe is not The Universe itself so they are DIFFERENT THINGS.

So we have a conception-of-universe-in-a-universe?
So that's like.... a Russian doll?

So that's like.... recursion?

You don't strike me as a doctor to be able to assert any illness on my part.

My conception of the universe is a part of the universe, THE END.
Are you braindead that you can't conceptualize this without recursion?

[TimeSeeker]

My conception of the universe is a part of the universe, THE END.

Are you braindead that you can't conceptualize this without recursion?

Moron. That IS what recursion is!

A simplified REPRESENTATION (copy? replica? map?) of the universe within the universe!

The fact that you don't like the word/concept of "recursion" doesn't change the fact that it IS recursion!

[Atla]

My conception of the universe is a part of the universe, THE END.

Are you braindead that you can't conceptualize this without recursion?

Moron. That IS what recursion is!

A simplified REPRESENTATION (copy? replica? map?) of the universe within the universe!

The fact that you don't like the word/concept of "recursion" doesn't change the fact that it IS recursion!

No, it's not recursion. We are talking about the universe.

[TimeSeeker]

It is also why this image:

First_matryoshka_museum_doll_open.jpg

can be found on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion

If you are going to reject the fact that your conception of The Universe is recursive WITHIN the universe.

You need to explain how/why it is NOT recursion.

[TimeSeeker]

No, it's not recursion. We are talking about the universe.

Bullshit. We are talking about our respective CONCEPTIONS of the universe.

You haven't seen The Universe. Neither have I! Nobody has!

Because it's just a collective noun!

[Atla]

No, it's not recursion. We are talking about the universe.

Bullshit. We are talking about our respective CONCEPTIONS of the universe.

You haven't seen The Universe. Neither have I! Nobody has!

Because it's just a collective noun!

Everything you see is the universe. Including your conception of the universe.

[TimeSeeker]

Everything you see is the universe. Including your conception of the universe.

Many things I don't see are also The Universe. Dark matter.

Any claim I make is about the CORRECTNESS of my CONCEPTUAL MODEL, NOT about the universe itself.

The universe doesn't give a fuck about my claims. Or yours.

[TimeSeeker]

It is rather ironic that you accuse me of narcissism while you haven't tamed your own ego.

Do you truly believe that you are talking about the ACTUAL universe?

Time to come back down to Earth. With the rest of us, humans.

[Atla]

It is rather ironic that you accuse me of narcissism while you haven't tamed your own ego.

Do you truly believe that you are talking about the ACTUAL universe?

I never claimed to tame my ego.
I was just trying to make you see how much of an idiot you are, but I admit I've failed at it. You are even stupider than that, and can't realize it.

You know, survival of the species. If idiots like you realize how retarded you actually are, maybe you'll correct yourself and do less harm to the rest of the world.

But I'm mostly just running psychological experiments for my own amusement.

[Atla]

Everything you see is the universe. Including your conception of the universe.

Many things I don't see are also The Universe. Dark matter.

Any claim I make is about the CORRECTNESS of my CONCEPTUAL MODEL, NOT about the universe itself.

The universe doesn't give a fuck about my claims. Or yours.

Then what's your problem, I don't know of any case where my model disagrees with experiment.

[TimeSeeker]

It is rather ironic that you accuse me of narcissism while you haven't tamed your own ego.

Do you truly believe that you are talking about the ACTUAL universe?

I never claimed to tame my ego.
I was just trying to make you see how much of an idiot you are, but I admit I've failed at it. You are even stupider than that, and can't realize it.

You know, survival of the species. If idiots like you realize how retarded you actually are, maybe you'll correct yourself and do less harm to the rest of the world.

But I'm mostly just running psychological experiments for my own amusement.

If you had any grounding in computation you would devise much better psychological models.

They may be wrong, but at least they will predict much better than the crap you have now.

[attofishpi]

It is rather ironic that you accuse me of narcissism while you haven't tamed your own ego.

Do you truly believe that you are talking about the ACTUAL universe?

Time to come back down to Earth. With the rest of us, humans.

What the fuck is this 'Earth' thing you are talking about. On the wrong hand you are talking about something you think you have a comprehension of...do you truly believe you have a grasp on the nature of reality...simply because you appear to be stuck on some firmament that pertains to a place you refer to as 'Earth'?

[TimeSeeker]

Then what's your problem, I don't know of any case where my model disagrees with experiment.

No shit. Because you've engineered to be unfalsifiable. Consciously.

[TimeSeeker]

What the fuck is this 'Earth' thing you are talking about. On the wrong hand you are talking about something you think you have a comprehension of...do you truly believe you have a grasp on the nature of reality...simply because you appear to be stuck on some firmament that pertains to a place you refer to as 'Earth'?

I don't have a grasp on the NATURE of reality. Anybody who claims to is lying. Because even science makes no ontological claims.

I just believe way less bullshit than most.

[Atla]

Then what's your problem, I don't know of any case where my model disagrees with experiment.

No shit. Because you've engineered to be unfalsifiable. Consciously.

Some of it is falsifiable.

I really have absolutely no idea what you are arguing against. All my models are based on known facts.
Yours aren't, we know for a fact that Shannon information is just abstraction/description/abstract construct, not "something additional".