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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:45 am How can you jumped into conclusion when you do not know or been told what I have been through and experienced?

You jumped to conclusion just to console your self-esteem?
Well. I have worked on somewhat complex systems in somewhat critical environments and I recognise I am not even at the A-tiers of the game.

An so from where I am, based on my own skill level (which I deem is at the 90th percentile, but not 99th) I can tell you don't have a cooking clue what you are talking about.

It's one of those Dunning-Kruger things that I just can't convince you of, so I will just have to manage you instead.
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The only fool-proof way of avoiding this pitfall is to always assume you are on the left!
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TimeSeeker wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:48 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:45 am How can you jumped into conclusion when you do not know or been told what I have been through and experienced?

You jumped to conclusion just to console your self-esteem?
Well. I have worked on somewhat complex systems in somewhat critical environments and I recognise I am not even at the A-tiers of the game.

An so from where I am, based on my own skill level (which I deem is at the 90th percentile, but not 99th) I can tell you don't have a cooking clue what you are talking about.

It's one of those Dunning-Kruger things that I just can't convince you of, so I will just have to manage you instead.
I have exposures to loads of complex systems but the most I can claim about them is I had strove to approach them as holistic as possible in a systematic way and will do the same for any future encounters.

Your self praise is just to cover for the lack of self-esteem.
Note you have infinity in front of you and no matter how complex your experience was/is/will-be, it is merely a speck of dust within the Universe.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:23 am I have exposures to loads of complex systems but the most I can claim about them is I had strove to approach them as holistic as possible in a systematic way and will do the same for any future encounters.
Then how is it that you still mistake (extremely!) weak correlation for causation?
How is it that you lack the most fundamental of self-sanitary habits. Like trying to prove yourself wrong?

Perhaps by "exposure" you mean - analisys? Have you done much management? Building or changes in complex systems?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:23 am Your self praise is just to cover for the lack of self-esteem.
1. You mistake self-critique self-praise
2. The psychological phenomenon you call "self-esteem" is what I call "epistemic uncertainty". The fact that you think they are separate phenomena and even use the phrase "self-esteem" is evidence... I wonder if I should read into it.
Note you have infinity in front of you and no matter how complex your experience was/is/will-be, it is merely a speck of dust within the Universe.
Good! You recognized the continuum. The Universe is the most complex system in existence.

Now, go ahead and put society on that scale. Go ahead and put a human brain on that scale Do you think society and human brains lands to the left or right of all the systems you've been "exposed" to?

By how many orders of magnitude do you think you have miscalculated your "holistic competence"?
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:04 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:57 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:45 am
"zombies parasites' is a metaphor for those neural turbulence that has a net-negative effect on the well being of the individual and humanity collectively.

Note I have explained to you directly, the "zombie parasites" are very active within the lower [60%] and mid brain [20%].
Science [dominantly rational within the higher cortical brain] which is net-positive to the well being of the individual and humanity is activated in the higher brain is beyond the influence of the zombie parasites [within the lower and mid brain].

Note the analogy of the zombie-ants, where the real zombie parasites compel the zombied-ants to behave in a way that is detrimental to the ants.

This is partly true as evidenced from those in the extreme left and the very stupid Islam-apologists.
As such there is need to counter them and find ways to inhibit [not get rid] their active "zombie parasites' within their brain.
But metaphors are found in religion not empirical scientific analysis.
What? You have to ask questions that do not reflect ignorance on your part.

In Defense Of Metaphors In Science Writing
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/li ... e-writing/

In this case I am using Scientific studies [zombie ants] as a metaphor to theistic behaviors.
The point it whatever is the conclusion, it has to be justified by purely scientific proofs.

Metaphors are merely a linguistic tool that can be used in any communication setting.
How do you know it is not the zombie parasites pushing you empirical views as a new religion?
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:20 am
TimeSeeker wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:14 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:03 am So what!
You are seriously saying "so what!" ?!?!!? Well it kinda matters if you are focusing on the root cause or the symptom (effect)!
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:03 am 'neural turbulence' in this case is any disorder and disturbance within the activities of the neurons in the brain.
If a person suffer a stroke, there is some kind of neural turbulence [disturbance or disorder].
Q.E.D you don't understand that the CAUSE of a stroke is typically blood clots or haemorrhaging.
The 'neural turbulence' is CAUSED BY and is a SYMPTOM OF an underlying issue.

And in the case of psychological phenomena it necessarily means that you don't even have a clue whether you are dealing with a univariate or a multi-variate problem. Do you have one causal factor or 25?!?!?

It basically means that you don't understand what "the problem" really is. And so IF your "solution" works it's going to be some dumb fucking luck.

The flip side of the coin is that you are more likely to cause more damage than you are to "fix" anything.

Iatrogenics 101! You are a fragilista! I can only hope we have enough checks in place to keep people like you way from the big red buttons.

https://fs.blog/2013/07/the-fragilista/
You above views are very childish.
You are the one with the one-track mind which I have to 'educate' [having to feed you with information all the time].

I mentioned 'neural turbulence' and you straight away jump to your preconceived ideas and bias.

I have already stated my approach is always holistic and systematic without exception. It is in a limited forum post like this I am restricted to discuss limited points at any one time.
Wait, so you are "educating" us all? About what? Zombie parasites that cause religion, but are not empirically proven, even though we need a system based in empiricism?
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:34 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:04 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:57 am
But metaphors are found in religion not empirical scientific analysis.
What? You have to ask questions that do not reflect ignorance on your part.

In Defense Of Metaphors In Science Writing
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/li ... e-writing/

In this case I am using Scientific studies [zombie ants] as a metaphor to theistic behaviors.
The point it whatever is the conclusion, it has to be justified by purely scientific proofs.

Metaphors are merely a linguistic tool that can be used in any communication setting.
How do you know it is not the zombie parasites pushing you empirical views as a new religion?
Religion?? you mean ideology? a possible evil ideology?

The point is we will have a reasonable understanding of the principles, mechanics and processes of how the "zombie parasites' operate.

As I had always stated, it will be a fool proof holistic approach.
In addition, the overriding control will be an effective Framework and System of Morality and Ethics.
There will be other control measures to ensure net-positive objectives.
All these are activated beyond the "zombie parasites" to ensure their potential negative impulses are full modulated.

I would suggest you expand your knowledge base in tandem with your questioning rather than catching up all the time.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:24 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:34 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:04 am
What? You have to ask questions that do not reflect ignorance on your part.

In Defense Of Metaphors In Science Writing
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/li ... e-writing/

In this case I am using Scientific studies [zombie ants] as a metaphor to theistic behaviors.
The point it whatever is the conclusion, it has to be justified by purely scientific proofs.

Metaphors are merely a linguistic tool that can be used in any communication setting.
How do you know it is not the zombie parasites pushing you empirical views as a new religion?
Religion?? you mean ideology? a possible evil ideology?

The point is we will have a reasonable understanding of the principles, mechanics and processes of how the "zombie parasites' operate.

As I had always stated, it will be a fool proof holistic approach.
In addition, the overriding control will be an effective Framework and System of Morality and Ethics.
There will be other control measures to ensure net-positive objectives.
All these are activated beyond the "zombie parasites" to ensure their potential negative impulses are full modulated.

I would suggest you expand your knowledge base in tandem with your questioning rather than catching up all the time.
Actually we don't because of the zombie parasites, for all we know they can be pushing empiricism as a religion in disguise...it may be safe to stay away from both religion and empirical truths...now that I think about it considering all religion is founded in truth, we may want to stay away from truth altogether considering truth may be what the zombie parasites want us to believe exists.

You really should stop listening to the zombie parasites in your head veritas, they are really affecting your decision making.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:36 pm Wait, so you are "educating" us all? About what? Zombie parasites that cause religion, but are not empirically proven, even though we need a system based in empiricism?
So far I am the one having to provide information while you are catching up.

I agree I have not proven scientifically the "zombie parasite" to theism/religion link.
However I have already provided the basic correlation [analogy to zombie-ants] and the black box approach at this stage as supported by empirical evidences.
Besides the above draft which is sufficient up to this stage, I have loads of details which I had not shared and not intending to.

I am optimistic in the near future we will get more details when there are reasonable advances in the Human Connectome Project and advances in the other fields of knowledge and technology.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:34 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:24 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:34 pm
How do you know it is not the zombie parasites pushing you empirical views as a new religion?
Religion?? you mean ideology? a possible evil ideology?

The point is we will have a reasonable understanding of the principles, mechanics and processes of how the "zombie parasites' operate.

As I had always stated, it will be a fool proof holistic approach.
In addition, the overriding control will be an effective Framework and System of Morality and Ethics.
There will be other control measures to ensure net-positive objectives.
All these are activated beyond the "zombie parasites" to ensure their potential negative impulses are full modulated.

I would suggest you expand your knowledge base in tandem with your questioning rather than catching up all the time.
Actually we don't because of the zombie parasites, for all we know they can be pushing empiricism as a religion in disguise...it may be safe to stay away from both religion and empirical truths...now that I think about it considering all religion is founded in truth, we may want to stay away from truth altogether considering truth may be what the zombie parasites want us to believe exists.

You really should stop listening to the zombie parasites in your head veritas, they are really affecting your decision making.
You are the one who is being controlled by the "zombie parasites" in your head. This is obvious because you are ignorant of its existence, its details and operation.

Meanwhile I am aware of the "zombie parasites" in my head/mind and strive to ensure they are not in full control of my thoughts as evident from my weaning-off of theism to non-theism. As you can see, theists [most] within the control of the "zombie parasites" are always on the defensive of their beliefs to the extreme of being compelled to be suicide bombers and committing all sort of evil and violent acts.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:35 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:36 pm Wait, so you are "educating" us all? About what? Zombie parasites that cause religion, but are not empirically proven, even though we need a system based in empiricism?
So far I am the one having to provide information while you are catching up.

I agree I have not proven scientifically the "zombie parasite" to theism/religion link.
However I have already provided the basic correlation [analogy to zombie-ants] and the black box approach at this stage as supported by empirical evidences.
Besides the above draft which is sufficient up to this stage, I have loads of details which I had not shared and not intending to.

I am optimistic in the near future we will get more details when there are reasonable advances in the Human Connectome Project and advances in the other fields of knowledge and technology.
No, it appears the zombie parasite are telling you what to say considering you are pushing a dogma based on faith.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:44 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:34 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:24 am
Religion?? you mean ideology? a possible evil ideology?

The point is we will have a reasonable understanding of the principles, mechanics and processes of how the "zombie parasites' operate.

As I had always stated, it will be a fool proof holistic approach.
In addition, the overriding control will be an effective Framework and System of Morality and Ethics.
There will be other control measures to ensure net-positive objectives.
All these are activated beyond the "zombie parasites" to ensure their potential negative impulses are full modulated.

I would suggest you expand your knowledge base in tandem with your questioning rather than catching up all the time.
Actually we don't because of the zombie parasites, for all we know they can be pushing empiricism as a religion in disguise...it may be safe to stay away from both religion and empirical truths...now that I think about it considering all religion is founded in truth, we may want to stay away from truth altogether considering truth may be what the zombie parasites want us to believe exists.

You really should stop listening to the zombie parasites in your head veritas, they are really affecting your decision making.
You are the one who is being controlled by the "zombie parasites" in your head. This is obvious because you are ignorant of its existence, its details and operation.

Meanwhile I am aware of the "zombie parasites" in my head/mind and strive to ensure they are not in full control of my thoughts as evident from my weaning-off of theism to non-theism. As you can see, theists [most] within the control of the "zombie parasites" are always on the defensive of their beliefs to the extreme of being compelled to be suicide bombers and committing all sort of evil and violent acts.
It appears the zombie parasites like to talk about themselves as well...little buggers...

Cannot trust a word you say all do to the zombie parasites...see how divisive they are.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:48 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:35 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:36 pm Wait, so you are "educating" us all? About what? Zombie parasites that cause religion, but are not empirically proven, even though we need a system based in empiricism?
So far I am the one having to provide information while you are catching up.

I agree I have not proven scientifically the "zombie parasite" to theism/religion link.
However I have already provided the basic correlation [analogy to zombie-ants] and the black box approach at this stage as supported by empirical evidences.
Besides the above draft which is sufficient up to this stage, I have loads of details which I had not shared and not intending to.

I am optimistic in the near future we will get more details when there are reasonable advances in the Human Connectome Project and advances in the other fields of knowledge and technology.
No, it appears the zombie parasite are telling you what to say considering you are pushing a dogma based on faith.
The point here is, I am the one who introduced the concept of "zombie parasites" thus I know the details and limits of these 'neural' turbulence.

You are ignorant of the details of these "zombie parasites" thus is in no position to make further conclusions about them. Your insistence will only produce stupid statements.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:49 am It appears the zombie parasites like to talk about themselves as well...little buggers...

Cannot trust a word you say all do to the zombie parasites...see how divisive they are.
As stated above;
You are ignorant of the details of these "zombie parasites" thus is in no position to make further conclusions about them. Your insistence will only produce stupid statements.

I have explained the "zombie parasites" are metaphorically representing certain neural turbulence within the lower and mid-brain. As I had stated I know what I am talking about while you don't.

The "zombie parasites" in your brain are manipulating you to anthropomorphize them as some sort of independent entities. This is how some theists in the early days [not you] are compelled by the "zombie parasites' to anthropomorphize their God as that bearded man in the sky.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:54 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:48 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:35 am
So far I am the one having to provide information while you are catching up.

I agree I have not proven scientifically the "zombie parasite" to theism/religion link.
However I have already provided the basic correlation [analogy to zombie-ants] and the black box approach at this stage as supported by empirical evidences.
Besides the above draft which is sufficient up to this stage, I have loads of details which I had not shared and not intending to.

I am optimistic in the near future we will get more details when there are reasonable advances in the Human Connectome Project and advances in the other fields of knowledge and technology.
No, it appears the zombie parasite are telling you what to say considering you are pushing a dogma based on faith.
The point here is, I am the one who introduced the concept of "zombie parasites" thus I know the details and limits of these 'neural' turbulence.

You are ignorant of the details of these "zombie parasites" thus is in no position to make further conclusions about them. Your insistence will only produce stupid statements.
How do you know it is not the zombie parasites bragging about themselves through you? For all we know there may be factions of zombie parasites at war with eachother and your just a pawn.
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