Does everything that happen, happen somewhere?

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loader__bot
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Does everything that happen, happen somewhere?

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For example: someone thinking (happens inside the particular brain and/or the person), an animal sleeping (happens where the animal sleeps) etc. When something, anything, happens, does it necessarily have to happen SOMEWHERE?

One could discuss the spatial precision, for example point out that we might not know what part of the animal that sleeps, the horns, hooves, brain etc. but for this question we should instead be content with identifying the animal as a whole ( on the grand scheme of things, a pretty precise location after all).

Insofar, I'm struggling with time. If the universe ages a second, where does it happen? is there even a 'thing' happening? There is no inherent movement of any particle/energy or the like. The universe, one microsecond before could be the very same one microsecond after. There is no inherent substance to time after all, I think. After all, many argue that the concept of time is void when observing from light speed.

For context: I was walking thinking about what I can say for sure. I concluded that I can say for sure that 'something is happening'. Not anything, not something in the defined sense, but rather in the undefined sense. 'Something is going on.' Be that a computer program where we all live, a fake universe or anything else. At the very least, I register impressions, think etc. ( much like Descartes suggested with “I think therefore I am", although I would avoid having to define “I” and “thinking” by merely concluding that ‘Something is going on’.
A friend suggested that I could narrow it down further to "Something is going on, somewhere" and it would still be true. That is what I'm thinking about. It might sound like mere semantics I realize, but I appreciate all insight!
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Re: Does everything that happen, happen somewhere?

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All of existence is first and foremost based on location. All things must be located inside of one thing, the one thing can not be located inside of any of the other things, and there can't be anything (including absolutely nothing) outside of the one thing. That's my answer to the 'somewhere' portion of your question.

As for the universe happening? It happens in merely a 'sense.' The material world of the 'senses' includes the degree to which it exists. The universe is always in a state of potential. In a state of 'will happen.' The universe has never actually happened and it never will. The only thing that is actual is the one thing that contains the universe.
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Re: Does everything that happen, happen somewhere?

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it all happens in brains in vats

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Re: Does everything that happen, happen somewhere?

Post by Walker »

It all happens here, or there.

Happenings there, involving them, are inferred.

A happening there to them, televised here to you, is a separate event made so by the here/there divide, which also accounts for uncomprehensible actions in others.

Can the here/there divide be joined?

Only to the extent that those there and here have discovered that four unblemished eyes see the same.
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Re: Does everything that happen, happen somewhere?

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Hi people, I remember watching a TV program and the subject was about insects the house fly to be exact.. and how it exists perceives visually... why are they so fast etc..to them we are so slow like a film frame by frame. There perception of time is alien to us. Yet they are still governed by the speed of light? Unless quantum biology is to be brought into the equation. For example if we were try to swat a fly, are reactions would be governed by instinct, observations and reaction time, to a fly they would be perceived as a predicted event of movement..why we are brains are still processing the visual information, the fly has already processed this, and more...which brings me to the point time is irrelevant, it is only subject to the living thing observing it. Which also gives the problem of the position of an object, light travels at a constant speed, so if we look at the moon, they say due to the speed of light we are seeing the moon approx 8mins in the past, I know this might sound silly, but if a fly was to look at the moon would it see it 4mins in the past??? We are just judging light speed from our perspective. So the position of an object at a relevant time is subject to the observer. Einstein said if we approached the speed of light, time would slow down..
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Re: Does everything that happen, happen somewhere?

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I don't know if it matters to the reasoning you present, but your numbers are off.
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Re: Does everything that happen, happen somewhere?

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loader__bot wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:31 pm For example: someone thinking (happens inside the particular brain and/or the person), an animal sleeping (happens where the animal sleeps) etc. When something, anything, happens, does it necessarily have to happen SOMEWHERE?

One could discuss the spatial precision, for example point out that we might not know what part of the animal that sleeps, the horns, hooves, brain etc. but for this question we should instead be content with identifying the animal as a whole ( on the grand scheme of things, a pretty precise location after all).

Insofar, I'm struggling with time. If the universe ages a second, where does it happen? is there even a 'thing' happening? There is no inherent movement of any particle/energy or the like. The universe, one microsecond before could be the very same one microsecond after. There is no inherent substance to time after all, I think. After all, many argue that the concept of time is void when observing from light speed.

For context: I was walking thinking about what I can say for sure. I concluded that I can say for sure that 'something is happening'. Not anything, not something in the defined sense, but rather in the undefined sense. 'Something is going on.' Be that a computer program where we all live, a fake universe or anything else. At the very least, I register impressions, think etc. ( much like Descartes suggested with “I think therefore I am", although I would avoid having to define “I” and “thinking” by merely concluding that ‘Something is going on’.
A friend suggested that I could narrow it down further to "Something is going on, somewhere" and it would still be true. That is what I'm thinking about. It might sound like mere semantics I realize, but I appreciate all insight!
All actions are a position in themselves as all actions are composed of further actions with one action being the space in which another action occurs.. I should probably elaborate on this.
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