No-I and No-Me But 'You' Exists.

[Veritas Aequitas]

In many serious psychedelic researches, participants would report on experiences of non-duality where they lost their sense of ego, I-ness and me-ness.

But since the participants are observed all the time while they are loosing their I-ness, there is no lost of 'you' ness. The participants still exist as the physical persons they were albeit having different experiences in their head.

Since those experiences of no-I or non-duality are only in their head, to claim reality, i.e. all-there-is is non-dual is definitely a mental process of an illusion in their head.

Actually the above experience is along the same continuum of the experience of schizos who claimed similar and other weird experiences.

Views?

[Dontaskme]

In many serious psychedelic researches, participants would report on experiences of non-duality where they lost their sense of ego, I-ness and me-ness.

But since the participants are observed all the time while they are loosing their I-ness, there is no lost of 'you' ness. The participants still exist as the physical persons they were albeit having different experiences in their head.

Since those experiences of no-I or non-duality are only in their head, to claim reality, i.e. all-there-is is non-dual is definitely a mental process of an illusion in their head.

Actually the above experience is along the same continuum of the experience of schizos who claimed similar and other weird experiences.

Views?

The sense of ''I'' and the sense of ''no I'' is the same I

The sense of ''I'' and the sense of ''no I'' arises within you. Arising in what you already ARE.

Changing the ARE word to I ...I need an I to be an I - and I need an I to not be an I

I remain always.

This understanding is Nonduality.

The mind will never grasp this, because the mind is dual by its very nature, it creates a phantom overlay upon direct actuality.
Behind the activity of mind (phantom overlay) lies the nondual truth of actual direct experience.

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The illusion remains and that will always be a problem for you Veritas so no matter how much you strive to deny the illusion as being an impossibilty the illusion is blindingly possible. It's what you ARE right NOW.

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[surreptitious57]

Everything is directly or indirectly connected to everything else and this invalidates the very concept of duality
There is no part of reality that exists entirely separate from any other part of it as this is not actually possible
So regardless of what reality is it has to be non dual as all categories while meaningful are ultimately artificial

[Veritas Aequitas]

Everything is directly or indirectly connected to everything else and this invalidates the very concept of duality
There is no part of reality that exists entirely separate from any other part of it as this is not actually possible
So regardless of what reality is it has to be non dual as all categories while meaningful are ultimately artificial

I can agree with the above from one perspective, i.e. a human perspective. Such a very opaque perspective is definitely useful to humanity. I would recommend all humans to step into this perspective.

It is like the Nesker Cube;


Often the normal person will only see one cube, whereas there are two cubes within the diagram. Most people have to be guided to see the other cube but they can only see one cube at any one time. To see two cubes, one will have to toggle between the two and better still at split seconds so it appear as if one can see two cubes at one glance.

I have agreed there are 'No-I' and 'No-Me' but my complain is there are people like DAM and others e.g. the radical advaitists who put too much emphasis* on ignoring 'No-I' and 'No-Me'
and turned their focus to an illusory Absolute, i.e. like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
They bragged they have discovered/exposed an illusion of 'No-I' and 'No-Me' but they do not realize they have jumped into another more refined transcendental illusion.
* emphasis with great intensity and emotions to the extent they will lash at those who critique their belief in this case.

The Buddhists [for example] reject the illusory Absolute but they embrace the 'No-I' & 'No-Me' in complementarity with I-ness & Me-ness grounded on the Middle-Way without being caught in either extreme. This is the Buddhist's Theory of Two-Truths.