What if God is weak?

[TimeSeeker]

Ok, but YOU have two empty categories in your own mind.

If you aren’t going to put anything in them - why do you need them? Empty boxes?

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about, is this some secret language that only you understand?

All knowledge does is inform the illusion of conceptual reality to be a fiction.

What is actual is not a fiction.

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You said: "The mind needs to learn to distinction between what is real vs what is conceptual belief and imaginary."

And so, metaphorically speaking a distinction (e.g a category) is like a box in your mind.

One box is labelled 'real'.
Another box is labelled 'conceptual'
And the last box is labelled 'imaginary'.

Unless you are telling me that an idea can belong to multiple boxes at once, the notion of "time" either goes in the real, conceptual OR imaginary boxes. You said it goes in the 'conceptual' box because time is not 'real'. I am OK with that.

But then you used the phrase 'real illusion'. So now an idea that can go into two boxes at once.

You are either confused about the number of boxes, or you are very inconsistent in applying your own taxonomy

[Dontaskme]

Ok, but YOU have two empty categories in your own mind.

If you aren’t going to put anything in them - why do you need them? Empty boxes?

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about, is this some secret language that only you understand?

All knowledge does is inform the illusion of conceptual reality to be a fiction.

What is actual is not a fiction.

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You said: "The mind needs to learn to distinction between what is real vs what is conceptual belief and imaginary."

And so, metaphorically speaking a distinction (e.g a category) is like a box in your mind.

One box is labelled 'real'.
Another box is labelled 'conceptual'
And the last box is labelled 'imaginary'.

Unless you are telling me that an idea can belong to multiple boxes at once, the notion of "time" either goes in the real, conceptual OR imaginary boxes. You said it goes in the 'conceptual' box because time is not 'real'. I am OK with that.

But then you used the phrase 'real illusion'. So now an idea that can go into two boxes at once.

You are either confused about the number of boxes, or you are very inconsistent in applying your own taxonomy

I really don't understand what on earth you are talking about.

[TimeSeeker]

I really don't understand what on earth you are talking about.

A distinction is the same as categorisation, no?

If the mind can distinguish between a green apple and a red apple. Then the mind can categorize apples into two boxes: 'red' and 'green'.

If you can distinguish between real, conceptual and imaginary beliefs. Then your mind categorize its beliefs into three boxes: 'real', 'concepts' and 'illusions'.

If an apple can't be both red AND green at the same time, then how can a belief be real AND illusionary at the same time?

[Dontaskme]

I really don't understand what on earth you are talking about.

A distinction is the same as categorisation, no?

If the mind can distinguish between a green apple and a red apple. Then the mind can categorize apples into two boxes: 'red' and 'green'.

If you can distinguish between real, conceptual and imaginary beliefs. Then your mind categorize its beliefs into three boxes: 'real', 'concepts' and 'illusions'.

If an apple can't be both red AND green at the same time, then how can a belief be real AND illusionary at the same time?

Still don't know what your driving at with this IQ test.

But what I was saying originally, was that The ''Direct Actual You'' is prior to thought, concept, and belief.

The conceptual believed 'you' is a fictional overlay upon ''Direct Actuality.''

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[TimeSeeker]

Still don't know what your driving at with this IQ test.

But what I was saying originally, was that The ''Direct Actual You'' is prior to thought, concept, and belief.

The conceptual believed 'you' is a fictional overlay upon ''Direct Actuality.''

It is not an IQ test - I am trying to figure out the way you have structured YOUR mind. The categories you have put in place for classifying your own perceptions.

[Dontaskme]

I am trying to figure out the way you have structured YOUR mind

No two minds can ever meet up, hang out together over a costa coffee, so your wasting your time with this mind here.


On the other hand, if you want to join me in silence then we could meet up. ..show me a man who has finished with words so that I may have a word with him..


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[TimeSeeker]

No two minds can ever meet up, hang out together over a costa coffee, so your wasting your time with this mind here.

I disagree.

My wife can read my mind and I can read hers. Do we understand each other perfectly? No.
But we understand each other well enough to work as a team, help each other, work through our misunderstandings and reach consensus on important topics while being mindful of each other's feelings, emotions and needs.

[Dontaskme]

No two minds can ever meet up, hang out together over a costa coffee, so your wasting your time with this mind here.

I disagree.

My wife can read my mind and I can read hers. Do we understand each other perfectly? No.
But we understand each other well enough to work as a team, help each other, work through our misunderstandings and reach consensus on important topics while being mindful of each other's feelings, emotions and needs.

The wife reading your mind is the one mind reading itself.

Many minds appear within the one infinite mind.

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[TimeSeeker]

The wife reading your mind is the one mind reading itself.

Many minds appear within the one infinite mind.

Except that you ignore two things:
1. We couldn't 'read' each other's minds when we first met. Not even a little bit. We kept misunderstanding each other!
2. Even today we misunderstand (misread?) each others' minds, but nowhere near as frequently as when we first met.

And so what your black-and-white perspective fails to recognize is the process of LEARNING. We had to put a lot of WORK so that we could learn about each other. SO that we could misunderstand each other less!

If many minds were one infinite mind - I wouldn't have to LEARN anything about other people, and they wouldn't have to LEARN anything about me.
We would just, automagically get along, speak each other's languages. understand each other's needs, emotions and feelings!

We would be one big, happy family! But we don't and we aren't!

So how is it possible that one can LEARN about other people if knowledge is impossible?

[Dontaskme]

If many minds were one infinite mind - I wouldn't have to LEARN anything about other people, and they wouldn't have to LEARN anything about me.
We would just, automagically get along, speak each other's languages. understand each other's needs, emotions and feelings!

We would be one big, happy family! But we don't and we aren't!

So how is it possible that one can LEARN about other people if knowledge is impossible?

Knowledge is the fictional story of I and other, its in duality...not in nondual reality which is actual and direct not-knowing.

Minds are appearing indivi-dual little universes within infinite non-dual awareness..the story of a mind learning is a unique expression of the infinite awareness, a mind appearing as a separate mind being one unique aspect within it.

The mind is both the infinite dreamer and the finite dream, all couched in awareness aka embodied awareness...that is this infinite groundless boundless empty space...the screen on which multiple dreams are co-existing all at one simulataneously.

Infinity is a multiplex cinema screen of awareness on which the movie of separate learning and growing little I plays in all possible diverse configurations one can possibly imagine...dreams within dreams add infinitum....lets not forget about the infinite regress not-a-problem....there is nowhere where your individual mind starts and another mind ends...the mental world has no beginning nor end, its seamlessly one unifed albeit appearing separate unitary action.



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[TimeSeeker]

Knowledge is the fictional story of I and other, its in duality...not in nondual reality which is actual and direct not-knowing.

Minds are appearing indivi-dual little universes within infinite non-dual awareness..the story of a mind learning is a unique expression of the infinite awareness, a mind appearing as a separate mind being one unique aspect within it.

The mind is both the infinite dreamer and the finte dream, all couched in awareness aka embodied awareness...that is this infinite groundless boundless empty space...the screen on which multiple dreams are co-existing all at one simulataneously.

Infinity is a multiplex cinema screen of awareness on which the movie of separate learning and growing little I plays in all possible diverse configurations one can possibly imagine...dreams within dreams add infinitum....lets not forget about the infinite regress not-a-problem....there is nowhere where you mind starts and another mind ends...the mental world has no beginning nor end, its seamlessly one unifed albeit appearing separate unitary action.

I am not using the word 'knowledge' anywhere. You keep bringing it to the table. I am using the words 'ignorance' and 'learning'.

I was ignorant of my wife's mind, needs, emotions. I learned about all those things. Now I am less ignorant.

Do you deny that ignorance is real?
Do you deny that learning is possible?

[Dontaskme]

I am not using the word 'knowledge' anywhere. You keep bringing it to the table. I am using the words 'ignorance' and 'learning'.

I was ignorant of my wife's mind. I learned about her mind. Now I am less ignorant.

To learn anything is to acquire knowledge.

You have no knowledge of your own...knowledge is acquired by others, superimposed upon your not-knowing, a fiction.

No person has a mind, the mind is all persons.

Knowledge becomes known only in the other, without me there is no you, without you there is no me.

Knowledge is passed on like a flame is passed on from candle to candle.

There is no break in the acausal chain of knowledge, its has no copyright.

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[TimeSeeker]

To learn anything is to aquire knowledge.

Agreed!

You have no knowledge of your own...knowledge is aquired by others, superimposed upon your not-knowing, a fiction.

Well. I HAD no knowledge of my own at the time of my birth. But I have LEARNED in the 35 years since my birth. I have acquired knowledge. Through experience. I learned (acquired knowledge) about my wife.

No person has a mind, the mind is all persons.

Most people call that 'society', but if you want to call it 'mind', then we need a new word for the thing that most people call a 'mind'. The thing coming up with these words appearing on your screen.

[Dontaskme]

Most people call that 'society', but if you want to call it 'mind', then we need a new word for the thing that most people call a 'mind'. The thing coming up with these words appearing on your screen.

No one has ever seen a mind...its just a known concept, believed to be here/there.

It's just taken for granted, but its all conceptual imagined belief, NOT ACTUAL.

The actual is the only real reality, reality without a concept.

In the story, yes, there are concepts, but they are not real...only the actual is real.



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[TimeSeeker]

No one has ever seen a mind...its just a known concept, believed to be here/there.

Nobody has ever seen time.
Nobody has ever seen energy.
Nobody has ever seen gravity.

It's just taken for granted, but its all conceptual imagined belief, NOT ACTUAL.

It is just a USEFUL concept. Like time, energy and gravity.

The actual is the only real reality, reality without a concept.

Reality is a concept.

In the story, yes, there are concepts, but they are not real...only the actual is real.

You have no access to the 'rea'l except through your mind. So, I guess you are stuck - like the rest of us.