Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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Walker wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:56 pmOn the other hand, Trump is performing his job description in trying his best to get the folks off food stamps, as record low-unemployment, and decreased food-stamp participation shows.
I'm not actually trying to support Obama. As I thought I made clear, I don't trust any politicians. The thing is, Trump sold himself as the man who would "clear the swamp", someone who was different from other would be presidents. You clearly believe him, and while it is entirely your business whose policies you endorse, I think you have completely surrendered your critical faculties to what is basically a personality cult which is modelled on Trump's buddy Kim Jong-un.
Here's what Trump used to think about 'record low-unemployment':
"Bashing the official unemployment stat was one of his bigger campaign trail themes. Back in June 2015, he made this remark about the official unemployment rate (which was then 5.5%): “Our labor participation rate was the worst since 1978…. Our real unemployment is anywhere from 18 to 20%. Don’t believe the 5.6. Don’t believe it. That’s right. A lot of people out there can’t get jobs.” And in May 2016: ”You hear a 5% unemployment rate. It’s such a phony number. That number was put in for presidents and for politicians so that they look good to the people.” A month after his victory in the US presidential elections, he was still sticking to his guns: “The unemployment number, as you know, is totally fiction.”
https://qz.com/1297561/the-dazzling-us- ... r-reality/
For all I know Trump really has brought down the unemployment rate; if so, well done Trump. But it is extremely unlikely that he has brought it down from "anywhere between 18 to 20%" to the 3.8% he suddenly touts as a true figure.
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Re: "It won't do any good to name call."

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Greta wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:49 am
Nick_A wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:22 amFucking crone is a compliment. If a crone is still fucking she's got something going for her. If she's stopped fucking then of course something is lost.
Indeed. That something is, in fact, fucking.
Well, you haven't lost your dignity.
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Talking of Loons...

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Nick_A wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:23 pmIt won't do any good to name call. Leave that to the progressives.
Nick_A wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:22 amFucking crone is a compliment.
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:30 amI think you have completely surrendered your critical faculties to what is basically a personality cult which is modelled on Trump's buddy Kim Jong-un.
That means you’re wrong yet again, for your own reasons of course. Folks can learn from wrong, and maybe you can too.

Last month the high number of new jobs was higher than anticipated by experts. A lot higher. Not the first time. Wages also increased.

Under Obama, every jobs report for 2 terms was lower than anticipated by experts. A lot lower. And they were always so surprised. It got to be a ritual.
(There may have been an exception or two, like if fast food joints hired more than usual for a month.)

You can do a fact check if you like because I’m not going to bother, but I heard that before the 1929 crash, Joe Kennedy realized it was time to get out of the stock market when the shoeshine boy started asking him for stock tips.

The Fed is optimistic. People are watching closely. Stay and maybe grow, or leave with less than what could have been.
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:55 amUnder Obama...
Duh.
uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:30 amI'm not actually trying to support Obama.
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:55 amThe Fed is optimistic.
Duh.
uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:30 amFor all I know Trump really has brought down the unemployment rate; if so, well done Trump.
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:14 am
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:55 amUnder Obama...
Duh.
uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:30 amI'm not actually trying to support Obama.
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:55 amThe Fed is optimistic.
Duh.
uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:30 amFor all I know Trump really has brought down the unemployment rate; if so, well done Trump.
You'll get over it.

:wink:
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:24 amYou'll get over it.

:wink:
Who knows? Perhaps if you can cure yourself of the whimsy that Trump is less mendacious than the average politician, and should be believed even at the cost of your integrity, so will you.
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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Trump is not your average politician, and that's a fact. His results defy the experts, and his first run at political office was the top of the food chain, which he won, and which is unprecedented.

He won because enough people aren't stupid.

Back on topic:
Education – Take control of what people read and listen to us“ take control of what children learn in school.
“Education: A new survey finds that only a third of Americans could pass the U.S. Citizenship test. It's a dismal testament to the abject failure of the country's education system. And a looming threat to the nation's future.”

https://www.investors.com/politics/edit ... education/
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:06 amTrump is not your average politician, and that's a fact.
Indeed, but as this shows:
uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:30 am Here's what Trump used to think about 'record low-unemployment':
"Bashing the official unemployment stat was one of his bigger campaign trail themes. Back in June 2015, he made this remark about the official unemployment rate (which was then 5.5%): “Our labor participation rate was the worst since 1978…. Our real unemployment is anywhere from 18 to 20%. Don’t believe the 5.6. Don’t believe it. That’s right. A lot of people out there can’t get jobs.” And in May 2016: ”You hear a 5% unemployment rate. It’s such a phony number. That number was put in for presidents and for politicians so that they look good to the people.” A month after his victory in the US presidential elections, he was still sticking to his guns: “The unemployment number, as you know, is totally fiction.”
https://qz.com/1297561/the-dazzling-us- ... r-reality/
For all I know Trump really has brought down the unemployment rate; if so, well done Trump. But it is extremely unlikely that he has brought it down from "anywhere between 18 to 20%" to the 3.8% he suddenly touts as a true figure.
He's learning.
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:06 amHis results defy the experts, and his first run at political office was the top of the food chain, which he won, and which is unprecedented.
Yup, it was a remarkable achievement and congratulations, Mr Trump.
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:06 amHe won because enough people aren't stupid.
If you say so. You do seem to contradict yourself though:
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:06 amBack on topic:
Education – Take control of what people read and listen to us“ take control of what children learn in school.
“Education: A new survey finds that only a third of Americans could pass the U.S. Citizenship test. It's a dismal testament to the abject failure of the country's education system. And a looming threat to the nation's future.”
So what is Trump doing about it?
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:31 am So what is Trump doing about it?
In the US, the Democrat voting blocks are government workers in Washington, the teachers at all levels of education, the lawyers, the media, the unions, the entertainment industry from sports to movies to music to TV, and Silicon Valley which controls the flow of information.

These are very influential people. Folks look to them for meaning and even if they don’t look, they provide meaning.

These groups follow the party line de jour. For instance, they all want to bring down Judge Kavanaugh today under the philosophy of: we don’t need no stinking jurisprudence or facts.

It’s a shame that the legality of a presidential election has driven the Left insane. Of course, it merely caused the manifestation of what was already there.

24/7, the Leftist news outlets, which include late night comedy shows targeting the campus dwellers, are far and away the majority in the US although they used to enjoy a virtual monopoly of information, these information outlets are focused on destroying Trump and anything connected with him, and they will lie, cheat, distort, dictate the narrative ... Alinsky’s crew.

This abrogation of balanced news responsibility distorts proportion and priorities and keeps an unquestioning audience in the dark.

And you want to know what Trump has done about this in two years.

Sigh. Do you like being called a silly goose?

Well, one thing he has done is elevate political consciousness in citizens, which the Progressives just hate because it undermines their influence upon those voting blocks.

How does this happen? Very simply. Because the Progressive view is indoctrinated and supported by authoritative institutions via their representatives, such as educators and media, then that view is taken to be the normal against which events are measured. This is an implicit bias implanted into Progs, and it blinds objectivity.

Just yesterday the US withdrew from a 1955 treaty with Iran. The US will independently sanction Iran, and the world will likely follow suit because of clout. The Left will predictably use this to try and discredit Trump in some way, via all those voting blocks mentioned above, which includes indoctrinating the little chillen.
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:31 am
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:06 amTrump is not your average politician, and that's a fact.
Indeed, but as this shows:
uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:30 am Here's what Trump used to think about 'record low-unemployment':
"Bashing the official unemployment stat was one of his bigger campaign trail themes. Back in June 2015, he made this remark about the official unemployment rate (which was then 5.5%): “Our labor participation rate was the worst since 1978…. Our real unemployment is anywhere from 18 to 20%. Don’t believe the 5.6. Don’t believe it. That’s right. A lot of people out there can’t get jobs.” And in May 2016: ”You hear a 5% unemployment rate. It’s such a phony number. That number was put in for presidents and for politicians so that they look good to the people.” A month after his victory in the US presidential elections, he was still sticking to his guns: “The unemployment number, as you know, is totally fiction.”
https://qz.com/1297561/the-dazzling-us- ... r-reality/
For all I know Trump really has brought down the unemployment rate; if so, well done Trump. But it is extremely unlikely that he has brought it down from "anywhere between 18 to 20%" to the 3.8% he suddenly touts as a true figure.
Trump says a lot of things. Unconventional and fearless.

None of the politicians in the senate would touch Kavanaugh’s accuser with a ten-foot Pole. She was a woman who talked like a child, with the memory of a rabbit, whose story was refuted 6 ways from Sunday.

So Trump goes to a big rally yesterday or the day before because the media sure won't carry his water. People lined up to get in, and he bellows out the laundry list that invalidates Kavanaugh's accuser.

The Intrepid Star Traveler Trump dares to go where no mere mortal politican dares to go.
(Is that the kind of cult-worship you meant?)

:D

And you know what? It's having an effect where it counts.
Some Republican politicians are starting to show some spine, at least for the cameras.

Thanks for the questions and comments to enrich the thread, btw.
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:31 pmAnd you want to know what Trump has done about this in two years.
Not really. Let me remind you of the question:
uwot wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:31 am
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:06 am“Education: A new survey finds that only a third of Americans could pass the U.S. Citizenship test. It's a dismal testament to the abject failure of the country's education system. And a looming threat to the nation's future.”
So what is Trump doing about it?
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:14 pmSo Trump goes to a big rally yesterday or the day before because the media sure won't carry his water.
Then how did you hear about it?
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:14 pmThanks for the questions and comments to enrich the thread, btw.
Well, they might if you would address them.
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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In order: yes, told you, dumb question (non sequitur), did.

You're really not contributing much to the topic anymore, your questions and comments are random.

The stupid act, or game, is wearing thin.

Maybe hit the bench for awhile.

*

Never trust an Alynskite. They're fucking vipers, manipulative and stupid, without ethics. :wink:
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Re: Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

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Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:54 pm...told you...
Well no, you went into some rant about "government workers in Washington, the teachers at all levels of education, the lawyers, the media, the unions, the entertainment industry from sports to movies to music to TV, and Silicon Valley". Nothing about Trumps education policy.
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:54 pmYou're really not contributing much to the topic anymore, your questions and comments are random.
Well it was you that thought this was pertinent:
Walker wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:06 am“Education: A new survey finds that only a third of Americans could pass the U.S. Citizenship test. It's a dismal testament to the abject failure of the country's education system. And a looming threat to the nation's future.”
So it's not random to ask what Trump is doing about it. If you don't know, fair enough.
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