Veritas Aequitas's illusory God

[Dontaskme]

All choice is a choiceless choice.

You cannot end your life, because there is no you to end your life.

So all these acts of evil intention to kill others is all in vain.

OK. Then let me end your life? We can go to a country where can sign an NDA and I will kill you. Live on Youtube for everyone to see that you practice what you preach.

But first - I will shoot you in the kneecaps. Maybe acid in your eyes. And hot oil down your back. So that you can experience this pain that is all in vain.

Oh. I FORGOT! All choice is choiceless. It's happening then. You will receive further instructions in the mail. Just respond with your contact details, OK?

Nihilism doesn't suit you. Else you wouldn't be here

No one or thing can end life because there is no one or thing that started life. In the play of consciousness (duality) the mind of ''otherness'' it does appear that the opposite is also true. Manifestations of source come and go in some very horrific ways sometimes. Yet what I am talking about is that which does not come and go, which is source itself - the source of all comings and goings.. This indestructable unstoppable force is often overlooked by the mind that only knows the coming and goings.


You are missing the point. But no worries, from the birth of pure innocence, conditioning and indoctrinations have brainwashed that not-knowing innocence well and proper to the point that no alternate view ever comes to mind for never not knowing any different than what you have been spoon fed to believe by OTHERS. The belief in the separate SELF stuck like super glue, and that which refuses to unstick from its apparent stickyness is here to stay.

Science has never been able to prove there is a SELF let alone a separate self...its just taken for granted, for the self is all that is ever KNOWN

That is until it is known by no one or thing that the self which is KNOWN cannot know anything.

Only that which is unknown knows.

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[Veritas Aequitas]

All choice is a choiceless choice.

You cannot end your life, because there is no you to end your life.

So all these acts of evil intention to kill others is all in vain.

OK. Then let me end your life? We can go to a country where can sign an NDA and I will kill you. Live on Youtube for everyone to see that you practice what you preach.

But first - I will shoot you in the kneecaps. Maybe acid in your eyes. And hot oil down your back. So that you can experience this pain that is all in vain.

Oh. I FORGOT! All choice is choiceless. It's happening then. You will receive further instructions in the mail. Just respond with your contact details, OK?

Nihilism doesn't suit you. Else you wouldn't be here

No one or thing can end life because there is no one or thing that started life. In the play of consciousness (duality) the mind of ''otherness'' it does appear that the opposite is also true. Manifestations of source come and go in some very horrific ways sometimes. Yet what I am talking about is that which does not come and go, which is source itself - the source of all comings and goings.. This indestructable unstoppable force is often overlooked by the mind that only knows the coming and goings.


You are missing the point. But no worries, from the birth of pure innocence, conditioning and indoctrinations have brainwashed that not-knowing innocence well and proper to the point that no alternate view ever comes to mind for never not knowing any different than what you have been spoon fed to believe by OTHERS. The belief in the separate SELF stuck like super glue, and that which refuses to unstick from its apparent stickyness is here to stay.

Science has never been able to prove there is a SELF let alone a separate self...its just taken for granted, for the self is all that is ever KNOWN

That is until it is known by no one or thing that the self which is KNOWN cannot know anything.

Only that which is unknown knows.

You are a very bad communicator, rhetorical and deceptive.

First you claim;
"You cannot end your life, because there is no you to end your life."

When you are challenged to the above objectively, you give all sort of excuses with implication the other is ignorant and stupid.

You should state the obvious like;
1. "One can end one's physical life with a 'you' ending with a dead body."
This is a fact that should not be omitted.

You can then move to the next phase;
2. "However, beside one's physical life with a 'you' [as above 1] there is another aspect where there is a non-physical life without a 'you' thus there is no 'you' to die in this case."
If you don't agree then tell us what is this non-physical life?

If you had presented point 1 and 2 separately then Timekeeper or anyone would not have challenged you to kill yourself [you] but rather will challenge you to prove the existence of that non-physical empirical life?

You use the self deception of conflation in all your posts, e.g. 'Only that which is unknown knows' and keep the point as blur as possible. Then when others question or challenge you, you think they are ignorant and only you and your 'experience' knows.

I will repeat again:
As I had stated, you are like the schizo who claims gnomes are real because he had spoken to 'real' gnomes in the garden everyday or regularly. When a psychiatrist explain to the schizo there are no real gnomes but rather it is a psychological and mental issue, the schizo accused the psychiatrist of being stupid.

[Dontaskme]

AV..you really CANNOT accept that reality is IRRATIONAL can you.

You will continue to argue until you are lying on your deathbed your pointless points trying in vain to prove there is a rational way to analyse and explain what CANNOT be analysed or explained.

So be it. Its all your mental quackery.. not mine.

I've left the insane world of the mind, and gone from belief to clarity ..so what you are telling me has no effect on me whatsoever, its all noise and fury and nothing of any substance or significance.

Woof woof, tell it to the trees.

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[Dontaskme]

You cannot deny the illusion, there is no you to deny the illusion. You ARE the illusion.

You cannot experience your own presence or absence. There is no you to eradicate or create you.

You ARE THE ILLUSION.

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[TimeSeeker]

AV..you really CANNOT accept that reality is IRRATIONAL can you.

No. I cannot accept a grammatically incorrect sentence.
Rationality is property of sentient beings which have goals.

So if you ACT in a way that undermines your goals - it is said that you are irrationally.
If you ACT in a way that helps you get closer to your goals - it is said that you act rationally.

The universe is not irrational. The universe just is however the universe is.

Ascribing it irrationality suggests it has a goal. So... you might be projecting.

You will continue to argue until you are lying on your deathbed your pointless points trying in vain to prove there is a rational way to analyse and explain what CANNOT be analysed or explained.

I am not trying to explain it - I am trying to model it and predict it. Explanation is not on my TODO list.... That's may just be more projection?
Explorers go extinct. Creators don't.

And so you should be happy to know that we have created these institutions called 'science' and 'hospitals' and we fill them up with 'doctors' and so while we can't explain the universe at least dying now takes twice as long as it used to 2000 years ago.

[surreptitious57]

The universe is not irrational The universe just is however the universe is

The universe is not irrational it simply exists because non existence is not a natural state

[TimeSeeker]

The universe is not irrational The universe just is however the universe is

The universe is not irrational it simply exists because non existence is not a natural state

The universe is. Is an axiom. Pre-supposition. Unjustified.

It doesn’t meet the criteria for falsifiability to be a scientific claim. What observation would you make to that convinces you of it’s non-existence?

Exists vs is - both are verbs. A distinction without a difference is equivocation/tautology.

[surreptitious57]

Non existence cannot persist which is why there is something rather than nothing aka the Universe
It obviously exists because if it did not then I would not exist so that fact alone justifies the axiom

[Dontaskme]

No. I cannot accept a grammatically incorrect sentence.
Rationality is property of sentient beings which have goals.

Rationality can only arise to the sense of a separate ''self'' aka ''me'' ..the mind wants to rationalze its own existence.
That sense of ''me'' is irrational for there is no ''me'' to rationalize.
All rationalizations are irrational.

So if you ACT in a way that undermines your goals - it is said that you are irrationally.
If you ACT in a way that helps you get closer to your goals - it is said that you act rationally.

Actors are not Reality, therefore it is irrational to think they are. Reality doesn't put on an act, its going live in realtime, there is no dress rehearsal in Reality.

The universe is not irrational. The universe just is however the universe is.

It wasn't mentioned the universe was irrational. I said Reality is irrational in the sense that it seeks to rationalize, there is no such reason why it would do that, Reality just is.

Ascribing it irrationality suggests it has a goal. So... you might be projecting.

Reality doesn't have a goal, only the sense of a separate ''me'' has a goal which is irrational since there is no such entity.

I am not trying to explain it - I am trying to model it and predict it. Explanation is not on my TODO list.... That's may just be more projection?

Your predictions and models are illusory mind maps built from interpretation then superimposed over Reality that has no mind to interpret itself. It's the irrational attempting to rationalize itself.

And so you should be happy to know that we have created these institutions called 'science' and 'hospitals' and we fill them up with 'doctors' and so while we can't explain the universe at least dying now takes twice as long as it used to 2000 years ago.

No one has created anything, except as a mental image/conception of what they believe to exist.

This is all dreamscape, a dream within a dream within a dream ..ALL that we see is made of the same stuff that is present in the dream you had last night.

Explain or analyize what that stuff is?

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[TimeSeeker]

Non existence cannot persist which is why there is something rather than nothing aka the Universe
It obviously exists because if it did not then I would not exist so that fact alone justifies the axiom

Except for the brain in a vat argument.

And even then the universe doesn't persist. It has a clear beginning and an end.

Big Bang - beginning
Heat Death - end

So existence is temporary state?

[Dontaskme]

Non existence cannot persist which is why there is something rather than nothing aka the Universe
It obviously exists because if it did not then I would not exist so that fact alone justifies the axiom

Non-existence is existence.

For how can existence be not existence?

The reason we say non-existence is because we wouldn't know existence without the counter-part.

[surreptitious57]

Non existence cannot exist but even if it did it would still make absolutely no difference to me
I can call it Existence or Reality or Universe it doesnt really matter as long as I dont call it God

I am just passing through this Existence so I will not be here for ever which is why it doesnt matter
I have forgotten most of what has happened to me and one day I will not remember any of it at all

One day I will be dead and I will not remember being here and typing these words for other minds to read
I do not want to live forever as that is absolute hell I want to die forever and have no suffering ever again

[TimeSeeker]

I can call it Existence or Reality or Universe it doesnt really matter as long as I dont call it God

Why do you think it matters what you call it?
Do you think the thing you are calling Existence, Reality, Universe or God cares what you call it?

I do not want to live forever as that is absolute hell I want to die forever and have no suffering ever again

So die now! Need help? Euthenasia is legal.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Non existence cannot persist which is why there is something rather than nothing aka the Universe
It obviously exists because if it did not then I would not exist so that fact alone justifies the axiom

Existence [is] is never a predicate.
"is" is merely a copula in the following model,

X [subject] is Y [predicate]

Thus, e.g.

A living person is [exists as] a human being.
A dead person do not exists as a human being.

The above can be empirically verified and justified.

E.g.
The Universe is 'whatever Science say it is"
The above can be verified with Scientific explanation within the scientific framework.

Point is, the word "is" cannot be independent and absolutely absolute.

In the case,
The Universe is 'whatever God says it is.'
is dependent on whether there is a real verifiable God and verifiable claims by God.
This is what the creationists would claim.

In another case,
The Universe is 'whatever common sense claims, or based on some myths'

From the above existence 'is' cannot stand by itself and must always be qualified to some conditions.

To insist existence 'is' some thing without qualification is an illusion driven by a psychological impulse.
This psychological impulse is the same as Hume's claim there is no direct causal link between cause and effect other than due to customs, habits and constant conjunctions, thus the fundamental is psychological.

[Dontaskme]

I can call it Existence or Reality or Universe it doesnt really matter as long as I dont call it God

Oooh, no, better not call absolute infinity for eternity God had we.

That word just is just too fully loaded with all sorts of assumed pre-conceived concocted ideas as to what it actually means, I mean it could mean absolutely anything, and the egoic mind hates uncertainty, it hates not-knowing for certain.

Luckily for the ego, it doesn't have to know anything, its already KNOWN.

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