The Final Say

[Nick_A]

The Secular Intolerance thread described the spirit killing effects of dominant secular intolerance on the young. Sadly this is the sad final conclusion for me. The demise of the American experiment as a free country is assured. John Adams and Simone Weil explain why.

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

“Humanism was not wrong in thinking that truth, beauty, liberty, and equality are of infinite value, but in thinking that man can get them for himself without grace.” Simone Weil

"Can you give a man character, based on full realization of his duties and opportunities at least, if not on the insight into his true being?"

It comes down to duties trumping rights.

The faith is that if folks but focus on the responsibilities, then the system will assure the rights, but it's a dynamic process due to many more variables than a lab type can account for, and forces are intently focused on destroying the system itself, which we see as attacks upon individuals such as Kavanaugh.

You will be visited by three women dressed in black chosen by the government to be responsible for your reeducation. You are unaware that the only duty you have is to serve your progressive superiors. You will be taught that "THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS." Your three educators through hypnosis and drugs will enable to see the error of your ways. You will have no more concerns for the relationship between rights and voluntary obligations. You will learn the benefits of obedience

The FINAL SAY for you will be "THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS." You will be taught to use whatever means possible for you to serve the agenda of your progressive superiors. Your educators will provide the feeling of meaning and purpose you've needed for so long. How fortunate can you be?

[Walker]

Goodness gracious, are you saying that promotion of diversity is a sham because it excludes diversity of thought?

[Nick_A]

Goodness gracious, are you saying that promotion of diversity is a sham because it excludes diversity of thought?

Your educators will explain this to you far better than I can and will be very understanding as you begin to adopt proper conclusions..

You seem to have an archaic view of the significance of diversity. At one time it was believed that diverse people all had a piece of the truth and by putting the pieces together we could collectively appreciate what we are as a whole and our collective purpose on earth.

Now thanks to advanced modern education we've learned that there is no truth we all have a piece of. There is no higher whole much less a conscious source for our existence. Consequently there is nothing to do but argue with the knowledge that the ends dictated by the progressive philosophy justify the means used to establish these ends The superiority of secular progressive education is the greatest good.

So cheer up. You are not hopeless. Your educators will teach you the error of your ways. It will become clear to you that the value of diversity is recognized now by its ability to be educated and indoctrinated into becoming useful atoms of the Great Beast. You will be absorbed and your training by professionals will keep you content.

[TimeSeeker]

Goodness gracious, are you saying that promotion of diversity is a sham because it excludes diversity of thought?

Yes.

We live in a logocentric society ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logocentrism ) and so 'diversity' means whatever those who influence language want it to mean. And the greatest influencers of language is academia - them impressionable minds who mistake an education for an intellect.

You can't measure 'diversity of thought' because nobody can read minds and so you can't actually tell whether a particular policy is increasing or decreasing thought-diversity. The law of unintended consequences does not give two fucks about best intentions.

Anecdotally. I have a very idiosyncratic way with language. It comes from 30 years of autodidactism and self-guided tinkering. The school and university systems don't cater for people with IQ that is 4 standard deviations to the right - they cater for the masses. And so I have rather prolific problems with authority and I tend to be rather independent in my endeavours. Having recognised the value of teamwork and co-operation in my mid-30s I found myself actively trying to improve my social skills and my language has proven to be a communication barrier. Worse - it has been used against me because people expect me to demonstrate my know-how verbally. And so uuh? I am a doer not a talker, yet you are judging my abilities based on the way I speak, but it all sounds like 'word salad' to you because it is all grounded in scientific theories which are yet to become mainstream. So I have to put effort into dumbing down my language otherwise people think I am stupid/crazy because I speak differently. And when I miscalculate and over-compensate with the dumbing-down - people think I am being condescending. Damned if I do - damned if I don't.

My idiosyncratic use of language IS evidence for thought-diversity! It is being interpreted as evidence of ignorance and lack of know-how! And so in order to not have it used against me - I am forced to lie and say that I have Aspergers so people give me the benefit of the doubt. Because nobody wants to pick on the "autistic" kid. Plus THAT makes me a diversity hire! But hey - whatever makes you feel comfortable and in control

Alas. I have found my people. So fuck the 'diversity' crowd who don't know how to spot independent and creative thought because they are stuck in an echo chamber of 'diversity' parrots.

[Walker]

Consequently there is nothing to do but argue with the knowledge that the ends dictated by the progressive philosophy justify the means used to establish these ends The superiority of secular progressive education is the greatest good.

The progs came off as monsters today at the last hearing for Kavanaugh, SCOTUS.

Among other things, it was revealed that the Dems lied to the accuser Ford, their ace in the hole, and they lied for their own devious purposes. Ford seems to be a very fragile woman, a bit befuddled and sincere. Her handlers denied her the opportunity for a private deposition by a forensic psychiatrist by lying to her and the senators. The resulting circus that they got, right there in front of the hi def cameras, was their Hail Mary.

This could be the straw that broke the donkey’s back in the US, because in this naked lust for power the Progs have destroyed the nomination process. When the next seat opens up, and it likely will in Trump’s first term, no one will want tarred into it.

And in this particular instance, the cruelty of the progs upon both Kavanaugh and Ford now gives the moderate Republicans the political cover they need for the folks back home to vote yes for Kavanaugh.

So cheer up. You are not hopeless. Your educators will teach you the error of your ways. It will become clear to you that the value of diversity is recognized now by its ability to be educated and indoctrinated into becoming useful atoms of the Great Beast. You will be absorbed and your training by professionals will keep you content.

Steak rare, red wine, a big cigar, the proper dose to remember nothing.

[Walker]

You can't measure 'diversity of thought' because nobody can read minds and so you can't actually tell whether a particular policy is increasing or decreasing thought-diversity. The law of unintended consequences does not give two fucks about best intentions.

How's this?

Goodness gracious, are you saying that promotion of diversity is a sham because it excludes diversity of thought-speech?

If it's acceptable to your sensibilities, I thank you.

Good compromise.

[TimeSeeker]

You can't measure 'diversity of thought' because nobody can read minds and so you can't actually tell whether a particular policy is increasing or decreasing thought-diversity. The law of unintended consequences does not give two fucks about best intentions.

How's this?

Goodness gracious, are you saying that promotion of diversity is a sham because it excludes diversity of thought-speech?

If it's acceptable to your sensibilities, I thank you.

Good compromise.

Yes. Logocentrism is a cancer that destroys rational thought! Of course - depending on your values that may not be of great importance to you, but we have to de-program all our new hires to get them to become autonomous thinkers and effective problem-solvers.

Given the trade-offs you are willing to make, I can infer where you stand. If you put diversity before autonomy and merit I am not on your team.

And I say this as a white male married to a black woman.

[Walker]

You can't measure 'diversity of thought' because nobody can read minds and so you can't actually tell whether a particular policy is increasing or decreasing thought-diversity. The law of unintended consequences does not give two fucks about best intentions.

How's this?

Goodness gracious, are you saying that promotion of diversity is a sham because it excludes diversity of thought-speech?

If it's acceptable to your sensibilities, I thank you.

Good compromise.

Yes. Logocentrism is a cancer that destroys rational thought! Of course - depending on your values that may not be of great importance to you, but we have to de-program all our new hires to get them to become autonomous thinkers and effective problem-solvers.

Given the trade-offs you are willing to make, I can infer where you stand. If you put diversity before autonomy and merit I am not on your team.

And I say this as a white male married to a black woman.

Yeah, you’re the flip side all right cutie. As a principle ... within infinite potentiality, manifesting at the turning points all around at every moment, fortunate it is for the world that truth, justice, and the America way has broad shoulders for hungry seekers, which is why Trump is president and again making the country a prize worth earning for the responsible, and just a flat out blessing for the free fortunate enough to born under a lucky star, like you.

However, for your demonstrated narrow view of what constitutes diverse, don't be a silly goose.

[TimeSeeker]

As a principle ... within infinite potentiality, manifesting at the turning points all around at every moment, fortunate it is for the world that truth, justice, and the America way has broad shoulders for hungry seekers, which is why Trump is president and again making the country a prize worth earning for the responsible, and just a flat out blessing for the free fortunate enough to born under a lucky star, like you.

Did you read that paragraph from the Privilege Manifesto?
I grew up in Communist Eastern Europe. I've been through the 'privilege' of food shortages and foodstamps, no electricity in -20 degrees winter and doing school homework by candle light. I've been through 'democratization' and growing up without parents who emigrated just so they can put food on the table. I've been through government oppression and family members disappearing in the middle of the night from their own bedrooms.

Tell me again about my lucky star.

However, for your narrow view what constitutes diverse, don't be a silly goose.

Oh, that's cute. Tell me how you measure 'diversity'? Tell me how you keep track of whether you are moving backwards or forwards.

I come from a field where 'If you can't measure it - you can't improve it" is very much a mantra. Management science things.

Now it is possible that the word 'diversity' means different things to us, but since I now live in a place called 'The Rainbow Nation' which has 11 official languages and at least 50 different cultures and some of the highest poverty and crime rates in the world - I doubt your conception is more vibrant than mine.

[Walker]

Oh the troubles I've seen.

You sound like you've led an interesting life, as the Chinese say.

[Walker]

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[Walker]

The Final Say, Presidentially

An apology on behalf of.

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