God is an Impossibility

[Atla]

what you are proposing is ONENESS [in cap] which is thus duality, i.e.

oneness of self against ONENESS.

Btw, is your ONENESS permanent, i.e. it does not disappear with the death of the person?

At least partial oneness of the universe (where oneness is understood as non-separability, nonlocality) is experimentally established fact in modern physics. That seems to prove some interpretation of Eastern nondualism correct, at least partially. It's not an experience.

Reality is nondual, although we lead our everyday lives mostly in the apparent dual.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Btw, is your ONENESS permanent, i.e. it does not disappear with the death of the person?

There is no person in my world anymore. I am everything and nothing.

I have never known death, so can't speak about that.

BTW, Non-duality is Duality..duality cannot not be duality...it's the dream of separation.

In a sense your "I" exist i.e. exists eternally.

Eventually you fall back to "that" which I had argued previous as illusory.

Tat Tvam Asi - "Thou art that,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tat_Tvam_Asi

The meaning of this saying is that the Self - in its original, pure, primordial state - is wholly or partially identifiable or identical with the Ultimate Reality that is the ground and origin of all phenomena.

[Dontaskme]

Point is even if one is not given a name, DNA wise all normal human being will have a sense of self with or without name.

I understand that.

But my point is that the name is often the main focus upon, what a person defines itself upon.

While attachment is with the object..the real self goes unrecognised.

Every creature has a sense of self not just the human, but not every creature has an ego like the human, the human has created division via knowledge.

In the real world, there is only awareness aware of itself.

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[Veritas Aequitas]

Point is even if one is not given a name, DNA wise all normal human being will have a sense of self with or without name.

I understand that.

But my point is that the name is often the main focus upon, what a person defines itself upon.

While attachment is with the object..the real self goes unrecognised.

Every creature has a sense of self not just the human, but not every creature has an ego like the human, the human has created division via knowledge.

In the real world, there is only awareness aware of itself.

You are pulling a fast one here.

Awareness is a psychological activity in the brain.
What you are saying is awareness [psychological activity] is aware [psychology] of itself [own psychological activity].
This is not a good example.

Tat Tvam Asi would be a better one, but that is ultimately an illusion and psychological.

[Dontaskme]

In a sense your "I" exist i.e. exists eternally.

Eventually you fall back to "that" which I had argued previous as illusory.

Tat Tvam Asi - "Thou art that,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tat_Tvam_Asi

The meaning of this saying is that the Self - in its original, pure, primordial state - is wholly or partially identifiable or identical with the Ultimate Reality that is the ground and origin of all phenomena.

I understand that.

But you seem to be placing all is Illusion ...which cannot be absolutely true, how can illusion be known without nothing to compare it to.

It's like saying everything is the colour blue, blue in this scenario would be totally meaningless. I don't believe the universe works like that.

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[Dontaskme]

Awareness is a psychological activity in the brain.
What you are saying is awareness [psychological activity] is aware [psychology] of itself [own psychological activity].
This is not a good example.

Tat Tvam Asi would be a better one, but that is ultimately an illusion and psychological.

Remember, no one is trying to pull a fast one, it's all speculation and theory at the end of the day, no one has ever been alive before, and yet suddenly we're supposed to have it all figured out?

We're just going on what feels right for us...I would agree, phenomena is an activity of the brain, but no thing is making that happen, if it is what is it?

No thing/nothing is just another word for awareness.

Nothing is real...concepts have a funny magical way about them.

If we just drop all concepts, we can feel without knowing it, that we are, and that knowing sense is not an illusion, it is without doubt or error, I really don't understand why you think the naturally occuring sense of being alive is an illusion.

It's not a ''someone'' who has a knowing sense ...YOU are that knowing sense.



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[Dontaskme]

Seriously, Tat Tvam Asi would be a better example would it?

Does it really matter?

We all have one thing in common, AWARENESS, it's the common denominator.

Doesn't matter how you dress this emptiness up, giving it fancy names isn't going to make any difference one iota, it's all the same space expressing itself.

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[Atla]

In a nutshell:

The Hindus said: all is one, and you can feel it.
The Buddhists replied: nonono you can't feel it, so all is not one.

But the answer seems to be in the middle: all is one, but you can't feel it.

[surreptitious57]

Existence is absolute but it is always in an eternal state of motion
All is one can mean that many individual parts comprise the whole

[Dontaskme]

In a nutshell:

The Hindus said: all is one, and you can feel it.
The Buddhists replied: nonono you can't feel it, so all is not one.

But the answer seems to be in the middle: all is one, but you can't feel it.

One must be first before other.

One is the centreless centre.

In order to feel ..first you must be.

In order to not feel .. first you must be.

Being is ONE.

A stick still remains a stick, no matter how many times the two ends of the stick are cut. In a nutshell, the reducing opposite ends of the stick can not reduce the stick to a not stick.

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[Veritas Aequitas]

In a sense your "I" exist i.e. exists eternally.

Eventually you fall back to "that" which I had argued previous as illusory.

Tat Tvam Asi - "Thou art that,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tat_Tvam_Asi

The meaning of this saying is that the Self - in its original, pure, primordial state - is wholly or partially identifiable or identical with the Ultimate Reality that is the ground and origin of all phenomena.

I understand that.

But you seem to be placing all is Illusion ...which cannot be absolutely true, how can illusion be known without nothing to compare it to.

It's like saying everything is the colour blue, blue in this scenario would be totally meaningless. I don't believe the universe works like that.

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My point is,
that 'ONENESS' you think is real is actually an illusion but you are unable to understand it is an illusion because it is a transcendental illusion which it is a very subtle illusion and is thus very difficult to fathom.

In natural resisting response, you have been arguing and giving all sorts of excuses to ensure you do not understand and realize it as an illusion.
Since it is a transcendental illusion based on thoughts only there is nothing physical to show any obvious comparison.

In the case of empirical or illusion of the five senses, example the visual rope-snake illusion, one can walk to the actual location and pick up the rope to confirm it is an illusion to confirm it as a snake from afar.

Note the image of face illusion.
If I have not shown you how to see the truth, you will keep the view that the face you see on the right is a normal face [which is false],

[Dontaskme]

In a sense your "I" exist i.e. exists eternally.

Eventually you fall back to "that" which I had argued previous as illusory.

Tat Tvam Asi - "Thou art that,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tat_Tvam_Asi

I understand that.

But you seem to be placing all is Illusion ...which cannot be absolutely true, how can illusion be known without nothing to compare it to.

It's like saying everything is the colour blue, blue in this scenario would be totally meaningless. I don't believe the universe works like that.

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My point is,
that 'ONENESS' you think is real is actually an illusion but you are unable to understand it is an illusion because it is a transcendental illusion which it is a very subtle illusion and is thus very difficult to fathom.

In natural resisting response, you have been arguing and giving all sorts of excuses to ensure you do not understand and realize it as an illusion.
Since it is a transcendental illusion based on thoughts only there is nothing physical to show any obvious comparison.

Oh I understand it is an illusion alright.


I understand Though you think that you are the doer, the doing happens without your thinking.

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[Dontaskme]

Since it is a transcendental illusion based on thoughts only there is nothing physical to show any obvious comparison.

Then reality is non-physcial.

Which is what I've been saying all along.

There is no person to show the truth to another, because one has to be first before other.

Listening to what is already showing prior to the seen, is the only truth showing.

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[Veritas Aequitas]

Since it is a transcendental illusion based on thoughts only there is nothing physical to show any obvious comparison.

Then reality is non-physcial.

Which is what I've been saying all along.

There is no person to show the truth to another, because one has to be first before other.

Listening to what is already showing prior to the seen, is the only truth showing.

Reality is physical and non-physical.

I define 'Physical' as what can be substantiated by Physics and Science.
Thus in this case non-solid things like gravity, energy, electrons, quarks, waves are deemed to be physical. This will extend to some degrees on human consciousness.

What is non-physical is merely mental, thoughts and human consciousness to some degree in term of thoughts.

If there is no person to show the truth, one can verify whatever is claimed to be truth by oneself via testing, verification and confirmation example like in Science which ultimately is a confirmation of what is intersubjectively agreed by consensus.

Non-physical things like thoughts in terms of propositions and arguments must be supported by rational justifications. A mathematical equation [1 + 1 -2 ] is not physical but it can be justified by proofs and applied in practice.

In your case, the idea of ONENESS is not supported by rational justifications at all, that is why it is an illusion, i.e. a transcendental illusion.

A Schizophrenic could insist gnomes [see pic below] exist because s/he see and talk to gnomes every day in the garden. The schizo will insist it very true gnomes exist because of real experiences. Would you believe him/her?



It is the same with your ONENESS, show proofs such ONENESS exists or could be that your experience of ONENESS is the same as the schizo who experienced talking to 'real' gnomes?

[Dontaskme]

Since it is a transcendental illusion based on thoughts only there is nothing physical to show any obvious comparison.

Then reality is non-physcial.

Which is what I've been saying all along.

There is no person to show the truth to another, because one has to be first before other.

Listening to what is already showing prior to the seen, is the only truth showing.

Reality is physical and non-physical.

Then reality is no thing and every thing.

Thoughts make no thing a thing?

Is that what you mean?



Just answer yes or no for now.

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