Life is not Religious. Life is not a Religion.

[osgart]

We are all totally separate beings. The idea of oneness with everybody i find totally absurd. Why would anybody want to lose their individuality? I would rather not exist. And that is my humility not egocentric hanging on to an illusion.

[Veritas Aequitas]

We are all totally separate beings. The idea of oneness with everybody i find totally absurd. Why would anybody want to lose their individuality? I would rather not exist. And that is my humility not egocentric hanging on to an illusion.

You need both where necessary to function as a morally good human being.
This is what the Middle-Way proposes, i.e. one should stabilize in the center and toggle from one side to the other [without touching the extremes] but always strive to get back to the center.

Note for example if you are in team and if you are a good team member you will spontaneously loses your individuality and blend in with the oneness [esprit de corps] of the team. But one do not have to lose one's individuality even in a team all the time.

That 'team-effect' exists in all types of group to generate synergy, i.e. home, work, states, national, humanity, universe.
Thus one must develop* the ability to lose oneself in any of the above groupings as and when necessary and the need for the competence to toggle from one to another, and the ability to get back to the center.

• *There are those who ended up with experiencing an altered state of consciousness of losing oneself [i.e. experiencing oneness, God, unity, etc.] via drugs, brain damage, mental illness, temporal epilepsy, and the likes but this is very pseudo without the fundamentals. This is in contrast to those who develop oneness via deliberate progressive spiritual practices.

Note there are the pros and cons of being self-centered which at the negative extreme end up with narcissism and as a ego-maniac. As with self-centered groups we end with tribalism and the consequences of genocides.

[osgart]

To me that is empathy. To care for others as well as self. The self and selfless aspects of being a person. The monkeywrench in all that is the problem of evil. How does one handle an evil person? Mercy and punishment.

Self motives are not all bad. Rather its the nature of the motive. The care of self is different then the false pride of self. False pride disregards the other; in the vanity of themselves they seek only their reward, and their dominance and superiority. The care of self on the other hand seeks only as needs and deserves, and holds no superiority complex towards others.

True pride is being morally and judgmentally just and righteous. To be without moral error. To none be evil.

Caring about others as they deserve, or as is merciful depending on the person, is about seeking the welfare of others.

All of it moves toward the goals of positive justice, where peace and love grow. Positive justice would be love. Negative justice deals in crime and punishment.

Imo, life is all about lifting up deserving others. Life is about charity of the heart. To seek the success of all as time allows.

In the case of evil, Mercy is bestowed upon the repentant. Mercy is given toward the wrongdoer. Punishment is as deserves toward the aim of correcting the evil doer. If an evil doer is past being corrected, then you have an enemy. I see no way around this. Perhaps if people live forever, or as time allows, even the worst of enemies will change by way of negative justice. The loss of goodness and truth is a hell of punishment, that perhaps brings appreciation in the lack thereof.

In any event, i wouldnt desire to be one with everybody, as there are many who would seek my harm without just cause.

To me ideals exist. The human heart is real. But there is also the animal nature of being. The animal nature has drives to survive, and to mate. I do not think the animal nature prevents one from living their ideals, but it certainly doesnt help. Separateness can be a very good thing.

[Dontaskme]

We are all totally separate beings. The idea of oneness with everybody i find totally absurd. Why would anybody want to lose their individuality? I would rather not exist. And that is my humility not egocentric hanging on to an illusion.

Separation is an illusion...space and the contents of space are the same one inseparable reality.
Or put another way, awareness and thought are the same one inseparable reality.

One inseparable reality is source energy = infinity for eternity.

Each brain, artificially generates a separate individual avatar playing a unique role within the one inseparable reality.

Source energy is playing all roles because there is only source and nothing but source.
The brain tricks source into believing it is multiple entities.
Source energy is neither created nor destroyed..it is constant and neutral..but plays along with the artificially generated simulation 3D matrix just for the experience of experiencing its own creativity albeit illusory.

There is nothing behind the avatar but source energy which is imageless. Images are holograms...aka animated information of source energy.

The illusion is real insofar-as the real is an illusion. No one is creating this sound and light show, except source.

You are source itself.



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[Veritas Aequitas]

We are all totally separate beings. The idea of oneness with everybody i find totally absurd. Why would anybody want to lose their individuality? I would rather not exist. And that is my humility not egocentric hanging on to an illusion.

Separation is an illusion...space and the contents of space are the same one inseparable reality.
Or put another way, awareness and thought are the same one inseparable reality.

One inseparable reality is source energy = infinity for eternity.

Each brain, artificially generates a separate individual avatar playing a unique role within the one inseparable reality.

Source energy is playing all roles because there is only source and nothing but source.
The brain tricks source into believing it is multiple entities.
Source energy is neither created nor destroyed..it is constant and neutral..but plays along with the artificially generated simulation 3D matrix just for the experience of experiencing its own creativity albeit illusory.

There is nothing behind the avatar but source energy which is imageless. Images are holograms...aka animated information of source energy.

The illusion is real insofar-as the real is an illusion. No one is creating this sound and light show, except source.

You are source itself.

But the idea of a 'source' is also illusory.

[Dontaskme]

VA: But the idea of a 'source' is also illusory.

The idea of a ‘source’ is an illusion.

But what about that to which the idea arises ..is that an illusion?

What is aware of an ‘idea’?

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[Lacewing]

VA: But the idea of a 'source' is also illusory.

The idea of a ‘source’ is an illusion.

But what about that to which the idea arises ..is that an illusion?

What is aware of an ‘idea’?

Is it not all an illusion? Picking between this and that to claim or point to what is or is not illusion seems like a meaningless game.

[Dontaskme]

VA: But the idea of a 'source' is also illusory.

The idea of a ‘source’ is an illusion.

But what about that to which the idea arises ..is that an illusion?

What is aware of an ‘idea’?

Is it not all an illusion? Picking between this and that to claim or point to what is or is not illusion seems like a meaningless game.

Yes, it’s all pretty much just a meaningless game.

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[surreptitious57]

its all pretty much just a meaningless game

Existence is indeed meaningless in the grand scheme of things as that is its nature
But one can give meaning to their own very short existence before it ceases to be

[Dontaskme]

its all pretty much just a meaningless game

Existence is indeed meaningless in the grand scheme of things as that is its nature
But one can give meaning to their own very short existence before it ceases to be

Only the 'thought' of you passes away. (thoughts are not real)
That which is aware of 'thought' is real, the true self.So in order to step out of this illusion and enter the "real" world we must realise our true Self.

If you want to believe you are a 'separate individual'(an illusory created character of the mind) then yes, illusions come and go, appear and pass away, this is limitation. However, you are infinite unlimited source energy, the illusion maker, not the illusionary avatar, which is only your experience, expression of source energy.

Some minds are not prepared to identify us as limitless awareness, in doing so, one is able to deepen our ''penetration'' into the true nature of reality.

The world of illusions is subject to change...You as source energy is ever the same...spirit and perfect.
It's also better to stay neutral rather than to persue meaning or purpose, or have desire for happiness or desire for love, all these are fleeting temprol expressions of energy that cannot be attained, and serve only to make you miserable in their absence or persuit of them. Bliss is naturally occuring within what you are by nature which is pure awareness one without a second, this state is effortless.

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[Dontaskme]

Awareness is not about disappearing of physical world, mindstuff and energy. It is about REAL LIFE IN NONDUALITY – IN THIS REAL BODY WITH THIS REAL MIND AND THIS REAL ENERGY.

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[Veritas Aequitas]

Awareness is not about disappearing of physical world, mindstuff and energy. It is about REAL LIFE IN NONDUALITY – IN THIS REAL BODY WITH THIS REAL MIND AND THIS REAL ENERGY.

Note Science can prove what is energy but that proof is limited to the Framework and System of Science.

How do you go about proving that real mind and real energy of yours?
What type of Framework and System are you using to prove your point?

My point is always,
what you think is real mind and real energy but unable to provide proof is merely an illusion arising from a desperate psychological drive to deal with an existential crisis.

[Dontaskme]

Awareness is not about disappearing of physical world, mindstuff and energy. It is about REAL LIFE IN NONDUALITY – IN THIS REAL BODY WITH THIS REAL MIND AND THIS REAL ENERGY.

Note Science can prove what is energy but that proof is limited to the Framework and System of Science.

How do you go about proving that real mind and real energy of yours?
What type of Framework and System are you using to prove your point?

The only framework I can think of is as and through the mind brain body experience.
Can this mechanism for 'thought structure' be inseparable from that which is aware of every thought?
Notice that when ''thought'' is absent, awareness is still present.
Without your thoughts, the world and the conception of 'you' leaves a vast nothingness and that is what you really are.
You don't need to prove this, you are this.

My point is always,
what you think is real mind and real energy but unable to provide proof is merely an illusion arising from a desperate psychological drive to deal with an existential crisis.

A desperate psychological drive to deal with an existential crisis is the false identification with the ''I thought'' an appearance of source awareness.

The 'I thought' is an illusion, there is no separate 'I' having an existential crisis, although the idea of an existential crisis does arise, but that doesn't mean anything, it's just an illusion within the real you which is not-a-thing.
Nothing is real nor unreal, thinking makes it so, and there is not-a-thing thinking.

All you are trying to do AV is throw the baby out with the bath water. You can negate everything you like, but you cannot negate source.


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[Dontaskme]

My point is always,
what you think is real mind and real energy but unable to provide proof is merely an illusion arising from a desperate psychological drive to deal with an existential crisis.

Also, the idea that there is a 'someone' having an existential crisis is akin to the fear of non-existence.
There is no known knowledge of non-existence whatsoever.
Neither is there any knowledge of 'I exist' ..therefore, any such knowledge is an illusion.

There is no 'you' thinking real minds and real energy, these are known concepts of awareness, appearances in and of...not-a-thing.
The world is a dream dreamt by no one.

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If you believe there is a 'someone' thinking about real mind and real energy.

And a 'someone' who is supposed to have a desperate psychological drive to deal with an existential crisis.

Then you have to prove who you think this 'someone' is?

If like I have demonstrated this 'someone' is an illusory thought arising in awareness, then what's the point in saying an illusion is having an existential crisis driven by another illusion that there is a desperate psychological drive.

All this is the BS of the mind.

You then have to prove the mind.

What the mind makes up makes no difference to awareness. Awareness is pure, it just looks on in detachment.

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[Lacewing]

That which is aware of 'thought' is real, the true self.

Doesn't this seem made-up as well? "True self"? Staying focused on the context of the statement above: What is true? What is false? And what is this "self"?