Life is not Religious. Life is not a Religion.

[Dontaskme]

Why can't I discuss the 'psychological drive'. Note this is a serious topic within the Psychology Community.
We have not delved into this 'psychological drive' in detail yet.

Because that would be spreading misinformation. Which is what is happening all the time in the world of the dualistic mind.

It's time to switch context, and know the truth that the mind is nondual.

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[Dontaskme]

You are beating around the bushes with the above and other posts.

No, I am giving clear and precise responses to you. Which you apparently gloss over rather than read them through properly.

You have not declared but I assumed you are into advaita vedanta, if not, let me know which fundamental philosophy are you relying on?

I am not into anything but my own fundamental awareness of myself that I have had since the age of when I first became self-aware at around the age of 4, that's when I first became aware of the I am.

I rely on my own mind to inform me what is real, unreal, truth or false. I do not rely on anyone but my own intuition. I may refer to other great thinkers for reference and confirmation of my own thoughts, but that's all. I'm not religious, spiritual, I'm not a follower of any doctrine, discourse, or holy book, I'm not a believer, or a non-believer. All I know is that I AM without doubt or error.

Basically I can reduce our discussion to two main areas, i.e.

• 1. Advaita Vedanta [yours']
  versus
  2. Buddhism proper [mine*].

* in my case, there is more to Buddhism, but here I will just refer on it.

In Advaita Vedanta we have its ultimate, i.e. Neti Neti and Tat Tvam Asi.

Tat Tvam Asi (Devanagari: तत्त्वमसि), a Sanskrit phrase, translated variously as "Thou art that," (That thou art, That art thou, You are that, or That you are, or You're it) is one of the Mahāvākyas (Grand Pronouncements) in Vedantic Sanatana Dharma


In Buddhism-proper there is 'Sunyata' i.e. nothingness and nothingness-of-nothingness.

Thus Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta stand in total contrast from one another.

Note, however you explains Advaita Vedanta I have no problem understanding [agree to a certain extent but not completely] what you are trying to say.
However you don't seem to understand [not necessary agree with] the principles of Buddhism-proper.

Yes, you have repeated this mantra to me a few times now. Can't see that it is relevant, but you seem to like backtracking for what ever reason I have no idea.

I don't see what understanding the principles of Buddhism-proper has got anything to do with my thread topic, you seem to want to take the topic off on a tangent to meet with your own agenda.

I'm not talking about Buddhism, religion, beliefs, ideologies, or spirituality, or God.

I'm talking about Nonduality. (sometimes I associate the concept of nonduality as being God) insofar as God is Nondual.

Which I just happen to be very good at understanding.

Do you want to talk about nonduality or not? .. if not, then there is nothing more that we can say to each other.

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[Dontaskme]

No one develops or has to practice Buddha nature.

You already are Buddha nature.

You were born Buddha insofar as you are the eternal unborn presence.

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[Veritas Aequitas]

You are beating around the bushes with the above and other posts.

No, I am giving clear and precise responses to you. Which you apparently gloss over rather than read them through properly.

You have not declared but I assumed you are into advaita vedanta, if not, let me know which fundamental philosophy are you relying on?

I am not into anything but my own fundamental awareness of myself that I have had since the age of when I first became self-aware at around the age of 4, that's when I first became aware of the I am.

I rely on my own mind to inform me what is real, unreal, truth or false. I do not rely on anyone but my own intuition. I may refer to other great thinkers for reference and confirmation of my own thoughts, but that's all. I'm not religious, spiritual, I'm not a follower of any doctrine, discourse, or holy book, I'm not a believer, or a non-believer. All I know is that I AM without doubt or error.

Basically I can reduce our discussion to two main areas, i.e.

• 1. Advaita Vedanta [yours']
  versus
  2. Buddhism proper [mine*].

* in my case, there is more to Buddhism, but here I will just refer on it.

In Advaita Vedanta we have its ultimate, i.e. Neti Neti and Tat Tvam Asi.

Tat Tvam Asi (Devanagari: तत्त्वमसि), a Sanskrit phrase, translated variously as "Thou art that," (That thou art, That art thou, You are that, or That you are, or You're it) is one of the Mahāvākyas (Grand Pronouncements) in Vedantic Sanatana Dharma


In Buddhism-proper there is 'Sunyata' i.e. nothingness and nothingness-of-nothingness.

Thus Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta stand in total contrast from one another.

Note, however you explains Advaita Vedanta I have no problem understanding [agree to a certain extent but not completely] what you are trying to say.
However you don't seem to understand [not necessary agree with] the principles of Buddhism-proper.

Yes, you have repeated this mantra to me a few times now. Can't see that it is relevant, but you seem to like backtracking for what ever reason I have no idea.

I don't see what understanding the principles of Buddhism-proper has got anything to do with my thread topic, you seem to want to take the topic off on a tangent to meet with your own agenda.

I'm not talking about Buddhism, religion, beliefs, ideologies, or spirituality, or God.

I'm talking about Nonduality. (sometimes I associate the concept of nonduality as being God) insofar as God is Nondual.

Which I just happen to be very good at understanding.

Do you want to talk about nonduality or not? .. if not, then there is nothing more that we can say to each other.

I am reducing the issue discussed here to Advaita Vedanta versus Buddhism-proper to avoid a 'till the cow come home ...' never ending situation.

If you have had a personal altered-state-of-consciousness experiences it would be more effective to reconcile your experience to some spiritual philosophy which I noted in this case is reduced to either Advaita Vedanta or Buddhism-proper. I don't think yours is Dvaita Vedanta which do not involve non-duality.

If you do not bring your experience to some established philosophy, you will have a hard time explaining your personal philosophy to anyone else.
If that is the case, I am not interested to continue the discussion.

The point with personal experience not reconciled to any established philosophy is that experience could have arisen from some mental disturbances, e.g. temporal epilepsy, brain damage like that of Jill Bolte, etc.
The experience of non-duality could easily be achieved via drugs, hallucinogens, etc.
Those who followed a spiritual path are advised not to focus too much on any non-dual experiences or any other altered state of consciousness experiences .

Note one example among the many;

Finding God in a seizure: the link between temporal lobe epilepsy and mysticism
Mystics throughout history have claimed to experience visions and trance-like states they say come directly from God.
There's now speculation that these visions may have been hallucinations brought on by epilepsy.
Jess Hill writes about her own experiences, and speaks to others who say their seizures come in the form of intensely mystical experiences.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... sm/5956982

There are loads of such articles and write-up in the internet.

[Dontaskme]

If you do not bring your experience to some established philosophy, you will have a hard time explaining your personal philosophy to anyone else.
If that is the case, I am not interested to continue the discussion.

My experience happened when I was 4 years old. I was born at the age of 4 ..and died at the age of 23

Would there be anything else you would like to know?

The point with personal experience not reconciled to any established philosophy is that experience could have arisen from some mental disturbances, e.g. temporal epilepsy, brain damage like that of Jill Bolte, etc.
The experience of non-duality could easily be achieved via drugs, hallucinogens, etc.

None of the above apply to my experience. My experience happened when I was 4 years old when I was born ... I died at the age of 23 ..at 23 both my birth and death was instantanously happening in the same moment.

Those who followed a spiritual path are advised not to focus too much on any non-dual experiences or any other altered state of consciousness experiences .

I have no idea what you are saying here.

Except to add, a non-dual experience is impossible.

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[Dontaskme]

Between the age of 4 and 23...I lived in some kind of twilight zone.

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[Veritas Aequitas]

Between the age of 4 and 23...I lived in some kind of twilight zone.

I suggest you should see a psychiatrist, one who have had experience in dealing with these sort of altered-states-of-consciousness at least to eliminate the possibility of any problem in the brain, epilepsy, etc.

[Dontaskme]

Between the age of 4 and 23...I lived in some kind of twilight zone.

I suggest you should see a psychiatrist, one who have had experience in dealing with these sort of altered-states-of-consciousness at least to eliminate the possibility of any problem in the brain, epilepsy, etc.

Now you are just talking absolute shite. You are reacting to what I've said with the typical conditioned programmed mainstream response.

I have literally caught you out to be the fraud you constantly portray on this forum.

I have never in my life experienced any altered state of consciousness.

Brain problems have nothing to do with nondual realisations which happen spontaneously for no reason.

Do you have an idea what dying while you are alive means?



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[Dontaskme]

Individual minds may be illusions of the one mind but those illusions are so powerful that they are taken to be real
And this is why I cannot accept the notion of the one mind as my own mind does not want to deny its individuality

There isn't a separate entity experiencing this body/mind. There is nothing experiencing all of this.
Not-a-thing. Not-a-found-thing experiencing this.And that nothing isn't separate from the everything.

Emptiness, everything, perception and sense of being are always always here ever present. What changes is form coming and going. What doesn't come and go is this emptiness, everything, perception and sense of being.

You think you are looking out of your eyes, but if there was no ability to think...who would be looking out of the eyes?
There's just different energies coming and going in nothing.
Your actual sense of self is not limited to the body, who you really are is actually everywhere and not separated from anything.
The fake energy that makes it feel like it is bound inside what feels like your separate body isn't real and isn't true.

There is no one to claim these energies coming and going, they are free, if there was a claimer, that claimer would be the owner and would be able to control the energies coming and going, the claimer would then have the power to stop the energies happening or make them happen.
Nothing can stop what's happening, because nothing is happening to a person. There's just what's happening to no one.

By energies, I mean feelings and thoughts like I am inside this body looking out there at a world separate from me. Or feelings like depression, joy, sadness, elation, hatred, jealousy, love, all these feelings are free energies that arise from nowhere in no one.
Claiming them is owning them, and owning them is creating the idea that there is someone to own them. There is not...for reasons I have explained.



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[Dontaskme]

Between the age of 4 and 23...I lived in some kind of twilight zone.

I suggest you should see a psychiatrist, one who have had experience in dealing with these sort of altered-states-of-consciousness at least to eliminate the possibility of any problem in the brain, epilepsy, etc.

What the heck has what I said above got anything to do with brain problems?

Please explain your self Doctor know it all?

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[Dontaskme]

Between the age of 4 and 23...I lived in some kind of twilight zone.

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Allow me to explain this experience.

Because obviously it does tend to send some peoples mind into a typical over reactive wtf..please see a shrink mentality.


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I was born at the age of 4..meaning I became aware of myself existing.
I died at the aged of 23 ..meaning I had a full blown awakening, meaning I became aware that I was awareness, and not the ''thing'' I was aware of...in that moment, the sense of separation disappeared in me. I was no more. I became aware of the nondual nature of reality being one not two.


The gap between my birth age 4 and my death age 23...I lived in the twilight zone of having the sense of being in the world as a separate person, but knowing deep down that there was no me to be in the world. I didn't come into this world, I came out of what's always and already here always, not separate from that.

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[Veritas Aequitas]

Between the age of 4 and 23...I lived in some kind of twilight zone.

I suggest you should see a psychiatrist, one who have had experience in dealing with these sort of altered-states-of-consciousness at least to eliminate the possibility of any problem in the brain, epilepsy, etc.

What the heck has what I said above got anything to do with brain problems?

Please explain your self Doctor know it all?

Note I have already mentioned altered states of consciousness of oneness, e.g. non-duality, inter-connectedness with everything, and the likes can be experienced via,

• 1. Spiritual development and exercises, e.g. meditation, etc.
  2. Drugs, DMT,
  3. Hallucinogens, mushrooms,
  4. Mental sources- schizophrenia, temporal epilepsy, seizures, etc.
  5. Brain damage, stroke [e.g. Jill Bolte]
  6. Other various reasons

If your experience of that 'spiritual' altered state of consciousness is not due to 1,2,3..5,
then it could be due to some thing in 4 or 6.
Thus it would be advisable to see a psychiatrist to eliminate any possibility from 4 or 6 which may have long term consequences.

Note I provided this liink where a person experienced 'spiritual' consciousness due to temporal epilepsy;

Finding God in a seizure: the link between temporal lobe epilepsy and mysticism
Mystics throughout history have claimed to experience visions and trance-like states they say come directly from God.
There's now speculation that these visions may have been hallucinations brought on by epilepsy.
Jess Hill writes about her own experiences, and speaks to others who say their seizures come in the form of intensely mystical experiences.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... sm/5956982

I am not saying you are in the above situation, but merely advise you to eliminate any of such possibility since you are stated your experiences are not from in any spiritual philosophy nor doing any spiritual exercises. Note this is a sincere advice, you can easily ignore it with your discretion.

[Lacewing]

I was born at the age of 4..meaning I became aware of myself existing.
I died at the aged of 23 ..meaning I had a full blown awakening
I didn't come into this world, I came out of what's always and already here always, not separate from that.

Ah, a favorite story? You don't typically admit to having such things.

Just curious, how do you come into and out of what's always and already here?

[Dontaskme]

I was born at the age of 4..meaning I became aware of myself existing.
I died at the aged of 23 ..meaning I had a full blown awakening
I didn't come into this world, I came out of what's always and already here always, not separate from that.

Ah, a favorite story? You don't typically admit to having such things.

Just curious, how do you come into and out of what's always and already here?

You don’t...only “thought” does apparently...mind then attaches to the thought...I is born...but it’s an illusion....no I has ever been born...there’s only this not knowing unborn presence ...one without a second.
Not knowing means no thing knows...no thing is thinking..

[Dontaskme]

VA.
Your last response is irrelevant to my personal experience....I’m not sure why you seem to think it is...we cannot possibly know the inner world realities of other people...but the matrix would have you pigeon holed if they can get away with it...I’m not buying that load of shit..sorry...