One might intuitively think of determinism implying that free will does not exist; after all, free will contradicts determinism on face value because your entire history and the history of your environment, your genes and everything combined, influence the way your thoughts are generated in your brain through the influence of the atoms in your brain in the end causing your thoughts, which cause your actions.
But if you ignore your history/your environment's historical influences on you, to some degree, you can have free will because you will be left with only the desire, or mere thoughts felt as if it was genuinly your own to do certain actions.
It is essentially free will from ignorance.
But why would you ignore information? Because you cannot possible achieve it. There is a fundamental physical limit to how much we can know about the universe, and I am NOT talking about Heisenberg's uncertainty principle:
Imagine that you have to predict the future of every single particle in the entire universe from Big Bang. It would require computational ressources that would have to re-make the entire Big Bang from beginning to end. Because of the speed limit of light, computational ressources would be limited too, to well below the speed of light.
This means you will have to essentially make your own Big Bang from scratch, to accurately simulate Big Bang, you need a true (real) Big Bang, and you cannot have any equivalent of a true Big Bang corresponding to the one that caused our universe because we only have so much energy in our universe you cannot go above it. You need all the energy contained in our universe to re-create Big Bang. And it will take take 15 billion years to "simulate" 1 billion years into our future (from our current 14 billion years history).
It means nobody in our universe, not us, nor advanced aliens can ever predict the future. We can only make estimates, guesses, even though our universe is pre-determined.
Existence of Free Will in Determinism
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Re: Existence of Free Will in Determinism
If we can't tell the difference, it doesn't matter if things are determined or freely chosen. Best estimate, though? We can choose within boundaries that we cannot change.
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Re: Existence of Free Will in Determinism
Exactly. You explained it much better.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:57 pm If we can't tell the difference, it doesn't matter if things are determined or freely chosen. Best estimate, though? We can choose within boundaries that we cannot change.
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Actually, I think your title on it's own was elegantly to the point. Well done.philosopher wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:01 pmExactly. You explained it much better.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:57 pm If we can't tell the difference, it doesn't matter if things are determined or freely chosen. Best estimate, though? We can choose within boundaries that we cannot change.
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Re: Existence of Free Will in Determinism
Or we could just exercise our free will here, instead of a predetermined thread.
Re: Existence of Free Will in Determinism
The threads are relativistically opposites. On one hand this thread argues determinism being directed towards free will, while the one provided in the link (which existed prior) observes free will directed toward determinism.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:17 pmOr we could just exercise our free will here, instead of a predetermined thread.
Viewing the problem from different origin points can result in entirely different perspectives much in the same manner observe 1 being directed towards 2 and vice versa through an infinite series of fractals observes entirely different numbers altogether.
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Re: Existence of Free Will Outside Determinism
Fixed it.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:20 pmThe threads are relativistically opposites. On one hand this thread argues determinism being directed towards free will, while the one provided in the link (which existed prior) observes free will directed toward determinism.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:17 pmOr we could just exercise our free will here, instead of a predetermined thread.
Viewing the problem from different origin points can result in entirely different perspectives much in the same manner observe 1 being directed towards 2 and vice versa through an infinite series of fractals observes entirely different numbers altogether.
