God Is / Not An Impossibilty.

[Dontaskme]

All conceived things known can be negated until there is nothing, no conceived thing known.

But the source of all conceived things known can never be negated.

Awareness can be without mind, but mind can never be without Awareness.

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[Reflex]

All conceived things known can be negated until there is nothing, no conceived thing known.

But the source of all conceived things known can never be negated.

Awareness can be without mind, but mind can never be without Awareness.

Careful. This is blasphemy in some circles -- especially in this forum.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Where is 'God' in your argument?

In any case there is no proper syllogism [proper argument] in your OP.

[Dontaskme]

Where is 'God' in your argument?

In any case there is no proper syllogism [proper argument] in your OP.

This OP is one of those unique moments in life where there is no syllogism involved.



In answer to where is God...God is here now, same place every word is, there is no where else but here. There has never not been here.



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[Dontaskme]

Careful. This is blasphemy in some circles -- especially in this forum.

[Reflex]

I can't help but notice that nonsense like what VA proffers gets more responses than threads like this.

I agree with what you said about awareness preceding mind, but personally, I don't think mind can be had without personality also being present. Note that I use "personality" very loosely here and don't mean to anthropomorphize. It just seems to me that some kind of structure or pattern must also be present in order to account for mind. This does not in the least take away from the primacy of awareness, however.

[Veritas Aequitas]

I can't help but notice that nonsense like what VA proffers gets more responses than threads like this.

It may be 'nonsense' to your conscious mind [9%] and those of theists, but what I wrote definitely has solid truths to their subconscious mind [representing 90% of one's self] which trigger them to respond accordingly.

This is why I insist we need to look at theistic issues from the psychological angle and perspectives which theists keep suppressing and deny.

[Greta]

Awareness can be without mind, but mind can never be without Awareness.

Simple organisms are aware but apparently mindless.

Organisms with minds also have both that mindless instinctive awareness and a reflective awareness. They have a sense of time where they can reflect upon the moments of awareness of the past and thus contextualise and better understand subsequent moments of awareness.

[Reflex]

I can't help but notice that nonsense like what VA proffers gets more responses than threads like this.

It may be 'nonsense' to your conscious mind [9%] and those of theists, but what I wrote definitely has solid truths to their subconscious mind [representing 90% of one's self] which trigger them to respond accordingly.

This is why I insist we need to look at theistic issues from the psychological angle and perspectives which theists keep suppressing and deny.

Ain't nuthin' there to suppress or deny, and your "solid truths" ain't nuthin' but sound and fury signifying nuthin'.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Ain't nuthin' there to suppress or deny, and your "solid truths" ain't nuthin' but sound and fury signifying nuthin'.

No point making such noises.
Just provide your arguments to counter what I have presented.

[Reflex]

Ain't nuthin' there to suppress or deny, and your "solid truths" ain't nuthin' but sound and fury signifying nuthin'.

No point making such noises.
Just provide your arguments to counter what I have presented.

I hope DAM doesn't read your post. He (?) might die from laughter.

Neither you or the world are what you think.

[Dontaskme]

I can't help but notice that nonsense like what VA proffers gets more responses than threads like this.

Because it's very rare that one breaks through the veil of limitation aka the wall of the mind into the infinite vastness of pure unlimited awareness. I'm very happey to see that there are quite a few of those that have here on this forum.

I agree with what you said about awareness preceding mind, but personally, I don't think mind can be had without personality also being present. Note that I use "personality" very loosely here and don't mean to anthropomorphize. It just seems to me that some kind of structure or pattern must also be present in order to account for mind. This does not in the least take away from the primacy of awareness, however.

I absolutely agree with you. The mind, is an energetic phenomena arising in awareness arising as both the personal and impersonal. While impersonal PURE AWARENESS pervades it all. The mind being an 'appearance' in that which never appears or disappears.

[Dontaskme]

She might die from laughter.

It was the ''dying'' idea that I have not ever been able to stop laughing at.

And they say God certainly has a sense of humor, they, who ever they are were not wrong about that.

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[Dontaskme]

Awareness can be without mind, but mind can never be without Awareness.

Simple organisms are aware but apparently mindless.

Organisms with minds also have both that mindless instinctive awareness and a reflective awareness. They have a sense of time where they can reflect upon the moments of awareness of the past and thus contextualise and better understand subsequent moments of awareness.

Mind does not have awareness. There is only AWARENESS in which mind appears.

Awareness apparently does appear to have TWO realities. One is The conditioned mind, which has no reality. The other is the unconditioned mind aka Awareness which is the single reality. The conditioned mind knows nothing of reality - reality has never met the conditioned mind. The conditioned mind, the conceptual mind aka mans mind, lives his life in a circle of ideas, which are constantly changing. Such changes may lead to confusion and disharmony aka the misery self.

Awareness however is this immediate unconditioned present pure clarity of being..The real SELF.

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[Reflex]

While acknowledging the absolute primacy of awareness, I was hinting that in order for it to be meaningful, personality (pattern) and mind, though dependent on awareness, must coexist in our awareness as three as distinct features. In the introduction to A Greater Psychology, a collection of essays by Sri Aurbindo, Arabinda Basu writes:

As the Existent-Consciousness, Reality has three self-determined aspects: Self, Soul, and God the Lord. As Self it remains in the background of the process of self-manifestation of the Reality; as Soul [Pattern] it is the Conscious Being who sanctions the creative adventure of the Consciousness-Force, and as the Lord [Mind] it controls the process of the self-manifestation of the Reality.

Although Hindu, this sounds remarkably similar to the Christian Trinity.

On the other hand, Lucy is right:

“Humans consider themselves unique, so they've rooted their whole theory of existence on their uniqueness. 'One' is their unit of measure. But it's not. All social systems we've put into place are a mere sketch. 'One plus one equals two.' That's all we've learned. But one plus one has never equaled two. There are, in fact, no numbers and no letters. We've codified our existence to bring it down to human size, to make it comprehensible. We've created a scale so we can forget its unfathomable scale.” — Lucy

The excerpt from A Greater Psychology is a codification of the unfathomable. Not everyone has the wherewithal to see past the words and access Awareness without the intervention of ideas.