Youth Violence = Deprived OF Christian Values = Aggressive Secularism.

[Dalek Prime]

That's why I'm here, DP!

Funny. I think that's why I'm here too, but never really thought about it until now. Go figure.

According to my calculations it should work in theory: persistent exposure to the vacuous notions of online lunatics should shrink the brain, thus reducing pressure on the neck.

Alas, it seems that such exposure just leads to the conversion of grey matter to even heavier bone in resonance with the thick-skulled evangelist commentary.

Yeah, I don't have a cure for that one, I'm afraid.

[Nick_A]

Don't panic. I've found it's easier on the neck when smaller. (owww, my neck! Maybe not...)

I might need another refit for my neck. I don't want my brain size to shrink all the way down to evangelist size, though, maybe just to a chipmunk's.

Hey, no problem Greta. Just lay back and drift off to sleep. Everything will be juuust fine...

Greta already is asleep; she just doesn't know it.

[Greta]

So says the delusional Ouspensky wannabe who spends his life repeating himself ... hope you are enjoying the dream.

[Dalek Prime]

You've gotten worse than when you first arrived at the forum Nick. You're on par now with Bob the Baptist.

[Nick_A]

So says the delusional Ouspensky wannabe who spends his life repeating himself ... hope you are enjoying the dream.

I may repeat myself. It is necessary when introducing the many facets of plato's cave. However, you are spending your life denying yourself and for some reason believe your attitude is superior. To each his own.

[osgart]

I never said anything about christianity being secular. Its just that ideologies demand conformity. Ideologies oppress. Im wary of people doing things in the name of God. Im also wary of anyone who claims absolute knowledge.

Why do ideologies always strive for conformists? Believe or else, know or else.

[Greta]

So says the delusional Ouspensky wannabe who spends his life repeating himself ... hope you are enjoying the dream.

I may repeat myself. It is necessary when introducing the many facets of plato's cave. However, you are spending your life denying yourself and for some reason believe your attitude is superior. To each his own.

Most people's attitudes are superior to yours because they don't hunger for the reckoning, the Apocalypse. Your disregard of the natural world is sick and out of touch with reality.

By contrast, most people accept their reality warts and all and do their best to try to make it work, even if it turns out to be futile. It is the attempt that matters rather than sweating on the fall.

Since our fall is going to happen anyway, shouldn't we try to at least postpone it?

By the same logic, since we are all going to die anyway, shouldn't we postpone it?

If you really believe that what's happening ATM are just "natural processes" then you will understand the importance of propping up our failing edifice as much as possible to give humanity the time to achieve what it needs to achieve.

However, your cavalier and uncaring attitude towards nature - and complete denial of overpopulation and ecosystem breakdown - suggests that "natural processes" is just a smokescreen. You are just another Abrahamic obsessive, sweating on the Revelations prophesies.

[Dontaskme]

Obviously humans are fulfilling the role once performed by blue-green algae - agents of change in the biosphere.

However, the point is that these changes are not occurring due to humans' spiritual malaises as claimed by one here. There are simply too many people and not enough resources, along with extreme inequity and exploitation, resulting in all manner of social and economic upheaval.

It's a shame humans did not listen to Tesla, he had some very good solutions...so what happened to that knowledge?

Also, the lost knowledge from the era of the ancient egyptians would have been useful ..so what happened to that knowledge?

Where do you think the ancient egyptians were getting their knowlede, where did Tesla get his knowldge from?

The solution to overpopulation is stop pumping them out in the first place, that's not rocket science.

Why pump them out to extreme only for nature to wipe them out herself?

Can humans live a frugal existence like their animal counterparts?

Or are humans just too selfish to the core?

Consciousness doesn't care about selfisheness...consciousness is self-less.





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[Dontaskme]

So says the delusional Ouspensky wannabe who spends his life repeating himself ... hope you are enjoying the dream.

Children learn by constant repetition until the knowledge is acknowledged and understood, maybe you don't quite understand that yet.

We're all still childen in the grand scheme of things. In other words we don't know it all, never have done, and never will.

Adults are so dumb...children see straight through their pretentious BS

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[Lacewing]

I may repeat myself. It is necessary when introducing the many facets of plato's cave.

How many years are needed for "introducing" something? Um nope, Nick... seems like you must be repeating yourself for some other reason. Hmm... what could it be?

You said to Greta: "...for some reason believe your attitude is superior." Are you, Nick, not constantly bashing progressives because you believe your attitude is superior for some reason? It's different for you, though, right?

From what I've seen -- over time -- Greta's arguments have been fluid and dynamic, and she considers a wide range of factors. Yes, I would say that is a superior approach compared to the repetitive and stagnant regurgitation that you do. The only people who use your approach are those who are stuck and cannot evolve as ALL OF NATURE is geared to do. A human willfully "sitting in a box" of their choosing... controlling their "world"... keeping all else out... creating and knowing that world completely... every crevice, which they can go over and over for all of their years... worshiping, adoring... becoming the personification of that themselves. They imagine enemies outside of their box, which they continually rant about in their holy war. Ah the glory and magnificence of their divinely unique pinnacle of ultimate truth!

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So says the delusional Ouspensky wannabe who spends his life repeating himself ... hope you are enjoying the dream.

Children learn by constant repetition until the knowledge is acknowledged and understood, maybe you don't quite understand that yet.

We're all still childen in the grand scheme of things. In other words we don't know it all, never have done, and never will.

Adults are so dumb...children see straight through their pretentious BS

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So in the grand scheme of things, we all can see through your pretentious BS, Dontaskme.

But as an adult, you are dumb.

You said this. I am not even paraphrasing you.

[Dontaskme]

So in the grand scheme of things, we all can see through your pretentious BS, Dontaskme.

But as an adult, you are dumb.

You said this. I am not even paraphrasing you.

Dontaskme is a pretentious deaf dumb and blind bullshitting adult nobody.

Yep, You got it.



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[Nick_A]

Greta

By contrast, most people accept their reality warts and all and do their best to try to make it work, even if it turns out to be futile. It is the attempt that matters rather than sweating on the fall.

Since our fall is going to happen anyway, shouldn't we try to at least postpone it?

By the same logic, since we are all going to die anyway, shouldn't we postpone it?

Yes, you’ve described the values supporting life in Plato's Cave well. All who interfere with these values must be eliminated.

That is why those like Simone Weil and Meister Echart must be rejected as violently as possible. The ideas they bring and their recognition of values beyond those dictated by the Great Beast are simply intolerable.

"Pity them my children, they are far from home and no one knows them. Let those in quest of God be careful lest appearances deceive them in these people who are peculiar and hard to place; no one rightly knows them but those in whom the same light shines" Meister Eckhart

Simply intolerable. These weird ones don’t deserve pity. They deserve execution for disturbing the peace. Here is an example of a genuine weird one who died before she could be executed for disturbing the peace.

Excerpted from a letter Simone Weil wrote on May 15, 1942 in Marseilles, France to her close friend Father Perrin:

At fourteen I fell into one of those fits of bottomless despair that come with adolescence, and I seriously thought of dying because of the mediocrity of my natural faculties. The exceptional gifts of my brother, who had a childhood and youth comparable to those of Pascal, brought my own inferiority home to me. I did not mind having no visible successes, but what did grieve me was the idea of being excluded from that transcendent kingdom to which only the truly great have access and wherein truth abides. I preferred to die rather than live without that truth.

The Great Beast hd offered her everything she could desire. Yet being selfish, she decided to live a life dedicated to truth rather than fitting in. This is simply intolerable for the Greta mind dedicated to the ultimate goal of fitting in and delaying death at all cost.

The faster these misfits can be eliminated the better. Their influence just gets in the way of the joy of video games - the new source of human meaning and purpose.

[Greta]

I may repeat myself. It is necessary when introducing the many facets of plato's cave.

How many years are needed for "introducing" something? Um nope, Nick... seems like you must be repeating yourself for some other reason. Hmm... what could it be?

You said to Greta: "...for some reason believe your attitude is superior." Are you, Nick, not constantly bashing progressives because you believe your attitude is superior for some reason? It's different for you, though, right?

From what I've seen -- over time -- Greta's arguments have been fluid and dynamic, and she considers a wide range of factors. Yes, I would say that is a superior approach compared to the repetitive and stagnant regurgitation that you do. The only people who use your approach are those who are stuck and cannot evolve as ALL OF NATURE is geared to do. A human willfully "sitting in a box" of their choosing... controlling their "world"... keeping all else out... creating and knowing that world completely... every crevice, which they can go over and over for all of their years... worshiping, adoring... becoming the personification of that themselves. They imagine enemies outside of their box, which they continually rant about in their holy war. Ah the glory and magnificence of their divinely unique pinnacle of ultimate truth!

Thanks LW, you have nicely covered this, especially with the observation of people "controlling their worlds".

These two self indulgent pretenders are of the kind that drives serious people away from philosophy forums. As with current politicians, with these two any old bullshit will do to explain away anything. For instance, trying to explain away obviously neurotic repetition and playing for Google hits as a teaching technique.

Unfortunately, there are many more like these ones in the growing age of unreason. When I was younger I naively thought that progressive advancement was a trend rather than a phase. The advancement continues with the big picture view but on the ground, in the span of a human lifetime, it's saddening and disturbing to watch the proliferation of unreasonableness in modern societies, especially when our environmental challenges are so profound and in need of urgent serious attention.

That tells me that "Rome is going to burn" and the fiddlers are out in force, which is a deeply saddening thought. I thought we would at least try against the odds rather than just give up and retreat into delusion. Sagan's "prophesy" comes to mind again.

No level of of understanding about extinction events or the way more sophisticated entities emerge from these catastrophes takes away from the sadness of knowing that so many beautiful humans, creations, animals and plants are doomed in not too long a time, and the suffering en route will be unprecedented.

I used to love nature documentaries; now they are largely miserable tales of shocking suffering and impending extinctions. Only fast motion vision of plants growing and skies revolving, and the micro perspectives of small creatures revealed by improved camera magnification are uplifting these days. The rest is a tale of animals starving, being killed and losing habitat.

The only positive - aside from the likelihood that the cyborgs or AI that replace us will outclass humans just as we outclassed other species - is that at least the dickheads are doomed too

[Lacewing]

That tells me that "Rome is going to burn" and the fiddlers are out in force, which is a deeply saddening thought... /...No level of of understanding about extinction events or the way more sophisticated entities emerge from these catastrophes takes away from the sadness of knowing that so many beautiful humans, creations, animals and plants are doomed in not too long a time, and the suffering en route will be unprecedented.

I've been thinking this too. It is tragic, and heartbreaking to bear witness to. So much beauty being destroyed. Perhaps I'm trying that much more to bask in (and play with) what's left. My relationships with friends seem more meaningful and treasured too. There is an element of everyone being overwhelmed and a little freaked out, so there's a lot of allowance built-in for that now, in ways that I don't remember before. It's like we're facing an end together! That brings people together, right? And when we come together, there's such joy and relief in seeing each other and resting and playing together for awhile.

I think it is becoming increasingly crucial to have supportive friends of a kindred mindset (protective tribes to belong to), to help us have some laughter and lightness, as well as to remind us (and pull us back) when we feel like we're falling over the edge.

I used to love nature documentaries; now they are largely miserable tales of shocking suffering and impending extinctions. Only fast motion vision of plants growing and skies revolving, and the micro perspectives of small creatures revealed by improved camera magnification are uplifting these days. The rest is a tale of animals starving, being killed and losing habitat.

This affects me similarly. It's very difficult! I love wildlife. I interact with it a lot where I live. I've had an influx of animals due to nearby logging that was done in the Spring... destroying their nests and natural rhythms in some beautiful old growth forest that is all gone now. My neighbor and I have set up a "safe zone" for animals along our border (his awesome idea) -- including official documents that prevent any future logging or construction there. I like to think that the animals have somewhere safe to go.

I don't know what else to do.