Abortion clinics in the US have seen a surge in trespassing and threats of violence this year, according to a survey from an industry group.
The National Abortion Federation (NAF) said reports of trespassing at their member clinics tripled in 2017, while death threats or threats of harm nearly doubled. One member clinic reported an attempted bombing for the first time in years.
Or the irony of "right to life":
The NAF said their clinics reported more incidents of trespassing and picketing in 2017 than any year since 1977, when the survey first launched. They also received reports of 62 death threats or threats of harm in 2017 – up from 33 in 2016.
Samazeuilh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:43 am
“In short, Christianity caused the “Dark Ages” by systematically destroying the classical world. “
A ridiculous comment. Historians now acknowledge that the so-called “Dark Ages” were a period of great cultural development. For example (from Wikipedia): “As the accomplishments of the era came to be better understood in the 18th and 20th centuries, scholars began restricting the "Dark Ages" appellation to the Early Middle Ages (c. 5th–10th century).The majority of modern scholars avoid the term altogether due to its negative connotations, finding it misleading and inaccurate. The original definition remains in popular use,and popular culture often employs it as a vehicle to depict the Middle Ages as a time of backwardness, extending its pejorative use and expanding its scope.”
The classical world did not collapse because of Christianity in the view of most historians (this view was, of course, held by Gibbon who is now regarded as old hat). For one thing, the Eastern Empire (where there were just as many Christians) didn’t collapse contemporaneously with the Western Empire.
“Driven by a hatred of science, Christians burned down the Great Library of Alexandria,”
Another absurd comment. The scientific revolution did not occur until centuries later- there was no science as we currently understand it in the classical world. Of course, the scientific revolution was carried out by scientists who were themselves Christians and stated that their work was inspired by their religious beliefs- Newton, Hooke to name just a couple.
The claim that the Christians burned down the Alexandrian Library is unevidenced baloney. From Wiki: “Sources differ on who was responsible for its destruction and when it occurred. The library may in truth have suffered several fires over many years. In addition to fires, at least one earthquake damaged the city and the library during this time. Possible occasions for the partial or complete destruction of the Library of Alexandria include a fire set by the army of Julius Caesar in 48 BC and an attack by Aurelian in the 270s AD.”
In short, I suggest that you need to read the scholarly work in this area to better inform yourself. Perhaps you have picked up some of your misconceptions from popular atheist websites.
Oooh. From Wiki no less. Of course christians are going go deny it. What do you mean 'as we know it'? How are you defining 'science'?
Twit.
I used Wiki because it’s a checkable source. You haven’t been able to provide *any* source or evidence for your claims which are merely incorrect. Your reply also commits the ad hominem fallacy - why on earth are you posting on a philosophy forum? I didn’t say that I was a Christian- you invented that because you have no rebuttal of the points being made. If you don’t know what science is, I don’t know what to say. You are intellectually incompetent in my opinion- unless you raise your game I won’t be wasting time replying to you.
Samazeuilh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:43 am
“In short, Christianity caused the “Dark Ages” by systematically destroying the classical world. “
A ridiculous comment. Historians now acknowledge that the so-called “Dark Ages” were a period of great cultural development. For example (from Wikipedia): “As the accomplishments of the era came to be better understood in the 18th and 20th centuries, scholars began restricting the "Dark Ages" appellation to the Early Middle Ages (c. 5th–10th century).The majority of modern scholars avoid the term altogether due to its negative connotations, finding it misleading and inaccurate. The original definition remains in popular use,and popular culture often employs it as a vehicle to depict the Middle Ages as a time of backwardness, extending its pejorative use and expanding its scope.”
The classical world did not collapse because of Christianity in the view of most historians (this view was, of course, held by Gibbon who is now regarded as old hat). For one thing, the Eastern Empire (where there were just as many Christians) didn’t collapse contemporaneously with the Western Empire.
“Driven by a hatred of science, Christians burned down the Great Library of Alexandria,”
Another absurd comment. The scientific revolution did not occur until centuries later- there was no science as we currently understand it in the classical world. Of course, the scientific revolution was carried out by scientists who were themselves Christians and stated that their work was inspired by their religious beliefs- Newton, Hooke to name just a couple.
The claim that the Christians burned down the Alexandrian Library is unevidenced baloney. From Wiki: “Sources differ on who was responsible for its destruction and when it occurred. The library may in truth have suffered several fires over many years. In addition to fires, at least one earthquake damaged the city and the library during this time. Possible occasions for the partial or complete destruction of the Library of Alexandria include a fire set by the army of Julius Caesar in 48 BC and an attack by Aurelian in the 270s AD.”
In short, I suggest that you need to read the scholarly work in this area to better inform yourself. Perhaps you have picked up some of your misconceptions from popular atheist websites.
Oooh. From Wiki no less. Of course christians are going go deny it. What do you mean 'as we know it'? How are you defining 'science'?
Twit.
I used Wiki because it’s a checkable source. You haven’t been able to provide *any* source or evidence for your claims which are merely incorrect. Your reply also commits the ad hominem fallacy - why on earth are you posting on a philosophy forum? I didn’t say that I was a Christian- you invented that because you have no rebuttal of the points being made. If you don’t know what science is, I don’t know what to say. You are intellectually incompetent in my opinion- unless you raise your game I won’t be wasting time replying to you.
What 'evidence' do you want? A video of the christians doing it? It's well documented. Look it up yourself. Only a history-denying idiot would dispute that Hypatia was tortured and murdered by a mob of christians.
So you can't define what you mean by 'science' then. No surprises there. (Nice deflection btw). Perhaps you shouldn't use the word.
DeaconS wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:38 amYouth Violence = Deprived OF Christian Values = Aggressive Secularism.
God's violence=Christian Values=Psychopathic Religion. The christian god, so we are told, will torture anyone without mercy and without end, for the ludicrous crime of not believing some fairytale, for which there is no compelling evidence. That is violence on a scale that not even the most deranged youth can aspire to.
-1- wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:19 pm
95 percent of death row inmates are devout Christians. Before conviction, 90 percent of the same were devout Christians. True Christians.
OK, so you don't know what a Christian is. I'm glad we cleared that up.
-1- wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:19 pm
95 percent of death row inmates are devout Christians. Before conviction, 90 percent of the same were devout Christians. True Christians.
OK, so you don't know what a Christian is. I'm glad we cleared that up.
Ta-Daaaa~ "The Not A True Christian" fallacious argument.
Nick_A, this response by you has been predicted eight posts up. (Kudos to you, VegetarianTaxiDermi.) Almost word-by-word.
Nick_A, Try something new. Go to Bible college or something. Brush up on your TV evangelists' sermons. You are old, tiresome, and so are your counter-arguments.
Nick_A, Try something new. Go to Bible college or something. Brush up on your TV evangelists' sermons. You are old, tiresome, and so are your counter-arguments.
Uwot
For anyone who doesn't know, a christian is someone who believes that people who disagree with them deserve to burn in hell forever.
So we can see that those like -1- and uwot do not know what a Christian much less Christianity is. People wonder why I quote others. It is necessary for just this reason. It is easy to condemn me but are they capable of condemning Kierkegaard? Kierkegaard’s attack on Christendom entices a philosopher to question what Christianity is. The blind denier is incapable of distinguishing quality so are unwilling to distinguish even theoretically the difference between Christianity and Christendom. In short, the following is rubbish for the blind denier but meaningful for anyone open to what Christianity and a Christian are..
People who perhaps never once enter a church, never think about God, never mention his name except in oaths! People upon whom it has never dawned that they might have any obligation to God, people who either regard it as a maximum to be guiltless of transgressing criminal law, or do not count even this quite necessary! Yet all these people, even those who assert that no God exists, are all of them Christians, call themselves Christians, are recognized as Christians by the State, are buried as Christians by the Church, are certified as Christians for eternity.
(quoted in Protestant Thought in the 19th Century by Claude Welch p.294)
Christendom has done away with Christianity, without being quite aware of it. The consequence is that, if anything is to be done, one must try again to introduce Christianity into Christendom.
ibid p.295
Nick_A wrote:... Christendom has done away with Christianity, without being quite aware of it. The consequence is that, if anything is to be done, one must try again to introduce Christianity into Christendom. ...
I deny your charge, Nick_A that I don't know what Christianity means.
So I dare you to define what Christianity is, and what it means to be a Christian. Right here, right now. Conclusively, completely, and comprehensively.
See what you can do.
Then after you define it, you must offer proof that other definitions are false.
... and, Nick_A, I don't want you to waffle and say things that "a Christian is not this, and the Christian is not that..." etc. SAY for crying out loud, what a Christian IS.
